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Working for Protestants
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2011, 09:27:13 AM »
This is true. And if I may Vladimir, if you owed your friend a favor, you wouldn't have to turn into the Diamond Bro's and throw out EENS quotes at him to reject his request. There are ways of being tactful, yet defending our faith, which we are called to do at all times friend.

Working for Protestants
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2011, 03:17:00 PM »
This is exactly what I do:

early morning, attend FSSP low mass.
late morning drive to protestant church - play the organ (a few hymns before the service, 3 hymns during, and an improvised interlude). This is paid job.
afternoon - temporarily filling in for injured organist at another church. 3 hymns.

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Please explain- is the music you participate in, protestant?  Was it written by Protestants, for Protestants? Please disregard, at this point, whether it is inimical to the faith.
If the answer is yes, you must stop playing. You are, thusly, participating, and therefore indirectly condoning, the way in which protestants worship, which is wrong.


Depends. Some of the hymns are Catholic (i.e., Holy God we praise Thy Name, All Creatures of our God & King) - some are written by Protestants but are used by Catholic churches, others are just plain American "revivalist" songs that hardly pass for music.

Does this reasoning imply that we are not to play Mozart, or Bach, or Handel, or ____, etc? Hard to justify when they are playing Beethoven in SSPX seminary.

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Yes, Vladimir, I know the feeling that one gets when involved with music. But this is exactly why we must not worship with modern types of music which protestants use. Prayer, and worship, are not from the carnal. Prayer is a higher part of man that is his 'feelings'. We should worship our Lord when we have the joys of belief, and when we feel dry. As someone had mentioned here before, the Protestant way of worshiping is "dummied down"; it is. If these Protestants, or Catholics even, are unable to worship our lord because the church rejects they way THEY want to worship, not considering how God  wants to be worship, so be it.  I'm sorry I'm not eloquent with words, and hope I'm getting my point across.


I'm not worshiping with Protestants or using their "Protestant music" to worship. By the way what is meant by that anyhow, since many hymn tunes are used in Catholic churches by are secular or Protestant in origin. Among these, is the beautiful Holy Week hymn O Sacred Head now Wounded, which is of 16th century secular origin.


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There's a reason we use Gregorian Chant in the Roman Church. Trust me, it would not have been hard to bring in some other instruments for the liturgy. I'm not sure what type of music you're playing at this protestant church, but I can not see how you can justify it.


Like i've said: its a job!

re: other instruments. Totally off point, but a guitar is far more preferable than a piano - for Mass at least. Even the organ can become distracting depending on what music is played.

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I don't think playing the organ at a Protestant church is ok. Basically by doing that you are participating in their heretical forms of worship. Even in a depression such as this, surely you can find a better paying job than that.


Please show how is participating in heresy.  I can't catch heresy from just sitting in a Protestant church.

Plus some organist get $200 *cash* for 1 hr. I don't get paid nearly that much, but anywhere from $25 to $50 in cash (no taxes) for 1 hr and practically no physical exertion...is hard to find elsewhere.
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This is true. And if I may Vladimir, if you owed your friend a favor, you wouldn't have to turn into the Diamond Bro's and throw out EENS quotes at him to reject his request. There are ways of being tactful, yet defending our faith, which we are called to do at all times friend.


True but there are degrees to this. What type of defense you give is depend on what station you are in.


Working for Protestants
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2011, 03:27:30 PM »
Vladimir may have put me on ignore, as I see I now have my 2nd (I don't care), so I don't know if he will be able to see my post or not (although I obviously can't say for sure he was the one who ignored me). But I will respond to him anyway.

A Catholic playing music for a Protestant church is indeed sinful. You are playing the music they need for their heretical services. It would be like me going to a local Baptist (anti-Catholic) church, playing the organ during their services, and saying "Oh, but I'm not Protestant and therefore am not participating in their worship". Even if you aren't Protestant, you are still participating in their heretical form of worship. Just like JPII at Assisi. Does the fact that he was not a Buddhist mean that he did not participate in false worship when he prayed with Buddhists and put a statue of Buddha on the altar? Of course it doesn't, he participated in false worship by assisting! Vladmir's situation is different of course, but by playing the organ at a Protestant service you are assisting them in their worship and that is a sin.

Working for Protestants
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2011, 07:59:38 PM »
It would be pointless to create a thread asking for opinions, only to ignore the users that make their's known.

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You are playing the music they need for their heretical services.


Now, is that really a fair statement to make? What would happen if there was no organist at a SSPX chapel? Choirs and organists are luxuries. Especially organists - if I didn't play, someone else would play the piano or maybe they could find another organist. My presence or absence is not affecting their service in any way except aesthetically.

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It would be like me going to a local Baptist (anti-Catholic) church, playing the organ during their services, and saying "Oh, but I'm not Protestant and therefore am not participating in their worship".


You wouldn't be! How does being inside a Protestant church on Sunday make me anymore Protestant? How would it make you? When asked why I don't participate in their sliced bread eating and grape juice drinking - I say plainly, I'm a Catholic. I'm not a member of this church. I'm just here to play the organ. No one questions it. This is not the 17th century. There aren't any extra-musical requirements to be an organist for most churches. Musicians know that. The people in the congregation know that.

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Even if you aren't Protestant, you are still participating in their heretical form of worship.


HOW?

One minute I'm the reserved organist that hides behind the organ for the entire service only to slip out unnoticed immediately after receiving pay and the next you are comparing me to the pope who did _______ in front of the entire world? Assisting would be like being a Protestant altar boy or doing their readings, or "testifying", etc. Sitting passively behind an organ console is not.

You seem to have a serious paranoia of "scandal". I've been to a Buddhist funeral before. Since I didn't have a big sign on my shirt saying "I'm a Catholic passively attending this blasphemous ritual" is that scandal for someone to see me and assume that I'm a Buddhist?

I'm not trying to pick fights. But as previously stated, the information given by some members regarding this topic may be incorrect in some circuмstances and may be the cause of scruples for readers.  


Working for Protestants
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 08:02:05 PM »
Is a drummer boy participating in the battle or not?

I'm very sympathetic with your position vladimir, it's just it does seem like accompanying a protestant service is collaborating with their worship.