Author Topic: Working for Protestants (Read 11660 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #35 on:** August 17, 2011, 05:25:45 PM »

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Sometimes people on the internet actually have more knowledge than a priest.

Sometimes a priest may be in error because of ignorance, but most priests who would approve of indifferentist behavior would just be following the lead of their hierarchy and ostensible Pope in ignoring the traditions of moral theology.

Vladimir · « **Reply #36 on:** August 17, 2011, 07:04:41 PM »

Did SouthernBelle's advice - a perfectly Catholic piece of advice and one that shows great spiritual maturity at that - really get 3 "thumbs down" by this crowd of rabid self-proclaimed traditionalists?

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You are not in a situation to give any valid defense of your actions whatsoever, and you have not shown yourself to be in such a situation.

Um...ok, Daegus, master of the interior life. Am I supposed to humble myself before the opinion of a self-admitted hormonal teenager that found tradition just a few months ago (and admittedly, has had but limited conversation with traditional Catholics in real life; also admittedly goes to a FSSP parish and therefore cannot criticise me for doing the same) and go back to my priest and tell him that I respect the judgements of an obscure forum-poster above those of his?

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Do you really need a priest to tell you that participating in the worship services of heretics is wrong? I'm actually amazed right now.

Do you really need someone to tell you that the whole thread is about how playing the organ doesn't constitute participation? I've never said that active participation is OK. Neither has my priest.

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I didn't want to bring this up, but being that the priest he asked was part of the pro-Vatican II FSSP, this is definitely a red flag.

Who told you that the FSSP is pro-Vatican II? Whatever that means anyhow. And haven't I already said that this priest is neither pro-novus ordo (duh - why would be enter the FSSP if he was) or pro-Protestant?

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Sometimes people on the internet actually have more knowledge than a priest.

Did you really just say that? You are willing to trust an anonymous source on the Internet rather than the council of a priest that has spent 7 years in the seminary? Your post reeks of the hellish arrogance that some people get after sitting behind their monitors reading about "the Crisis in the church" and fancy themselves learned in subjects that were formerely pursued only by holy priests and religious. It would harldy be surprising if you were among those new to tradition that has almost no communication with real (not online) traditional Catholics and lacks the social ability to even associate with them apart from behind the veil of the Internet- where you are free to shoot off your mouth without consequence.

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Sometimes a priest may be in error because of ignorance, but most priests who would approve of indifferentist behavior would just be following the lead of their hierarchy and ostensible Pope in ignoring the traditions of moral theology.

While there is verity in this, in this particular case - it is not.

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You should follow your priest's advice, rather than relying on the internet. While many people have good intentions, their "experience" in moral theology often consists of nothing more than a good search engine, or a Catholic book or two. Soliciting advice in the absence of a good traditional priest is one thing, but it is not necessary when you have already spoken to one.

If you are doing this job for necessary income, pray to God to help you find another one that stresses you less. Otherwise, quit. Something doesn't have to be sinful in order for it to be "not right" for you.

Thank you. Apparently some of the posters here assume that I take some take joy in this occupation and am not forced into it by factors that will remain undisclosed. At any rate, I ultimately will cease any current functions I have in the said church(es) by late next year -perhaps even earlier. Upon which I hope to wash my hands of the whole matter and find employment at a traditional Catholic chapel; it is no small disappointment for a musician to be unable to employ his talent for the glory of God. I would play for a tradtitional church even if no pay was offered.

And if someone truly believes me wrong - than pray for my soul and that of the priest that I have mentioend.

Daegus · « **Reply #37 on:** August 17, 2011, 07:38:16 PM »

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Um...ok, Daegus, master of the interior life. Am I supposed to humble myself before the opinion of a self-admitted hormonal teenager that found tradition just a few months ago (and admittedly, has had but limited conversation with traditional Catholics in real life; also admittedly goes to a FSSP parish and therefore cannot criticise me for doing the same) and go back to my priest and tell him that I respect the judgements of an obscure forum-poster above those of his?

Obviously you cannot handle the truth and so you retaliate rather childishly. How embarrassing and unbecoming of you to attack me in such a pathetic way. Do you think what you've presented against me constitutes a valid argument in any way? I have presented you with facts and in return you bring your histrionics to the table. At the same time, you have the temerity to bring up that I am a "hormonal teenager" when you are just the same. Will you consider what I have told you or will you embrace utter apostasy and persist in serving a Protestant worship service? Even if you attack me, you cannot attack God. That is who you must take up the issue with, not I. It is not me that you are vexed with. It is God.

Furthermore I never criticized you for going to an FSSP parish, so I'm not sure what that even has to do with anything.

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Do you really need a priest to tell you that participating in the worship services of heretics is wrong? I'm actually amazed right now.

Do you really need someone to tell you that the whole thread is about how playing the organ doesn't constitute participation? I've never said that active participation is OK. Neither has my priest.

Of course you haven't said it. You don't think that your participation in a Protestant worship service is actually a sin.

"A sin for thee but not me" ~ Is this the mark of a Pharisee?

Daegus · « **Reply #38 on:** August 17, 2011, 07:56:49 PM »

I'm not going to pretend that I don't have problems and even I have to admit that I am wrong when I am wrong, Vladimir. I know that I am not wrong here. Why do you need a priest to tell you that a fish is a fish?; That a horse is a horse?; That a shoe is a shoe?

I know that you're being dishonest, and I know that you can do better than that. Is it really worth it to provide possible scandal for Catholics who know that you do what you do? The money is not worth it. How will you render an account unto God for this? Think about this. I am not saying what I say because I want to attack you. I say what I say because I care.

You may not think that way now, but you'll thank me later. The people on this website have helped me a great deal and have made me consider my wrongs and my rights more deeply than I normally would. Please consider the outcries of at least 1 person here. Surely you didn't start this thread because you thought what you were doing was perfectly fine, did you?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #39 on:** August 17, 2011, 09:17:38 PM »

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Did SouthernBelle's advice - a perfectly Catholic piece of advice and one that shows great spiritual maturity at that - really get 3 "thumbs down" by this crowd of rabid self-proclaimed traditionalists?

So someone who says it's ok to attend a heretical service gave a "perfectly Catholic piece of advice" yet the 4 people who tell you you're wrong are "rabid self-proclaimed Traditionalists"? You obviouly don't know what the meaning of Traditional is.

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Um...ok, Daegus, master of the interior life. Am I supposed to humble myself before the opinion of a self-admitted hormonal teenager that found tradition just a few months ago (and admittedly, has had but limited conversation with traditional Catholics in real life; also admittedly goes to a FSSP parish and therefore cannot criticise me for doing the same) and go back to my priest and tell him that I respect the judgements of an obscure forum-poster above those of his?

This is one of the lowest, most pathetic statements I have ever read on this forum. Your attack against Daegus is both un-charitable and un-Christian. You can get banned for cutting down people like that, so I'd be careful if I were you. Just because Daegus is fairly new to Tradition does not mean his views cannot be taken seriously. What about people who are only Catholic for minutes following a deathbed conversion? Daegus is 17, he's doing great for his age. You owe him an apology.

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Do you really need someone to tell you that the whole thread is about how playing the organ doesn't constitute participation? I've never said that active participation is OK. Neither has my priest.

It IS participation. 4 people have tried to tell you that. You can either listen to the people here who are only trying to help you because we care about your soul, or you can keep your head in the sand. The choice is yours.

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Who told you that the FSSP is pro-Vatican II? Whatever that means anyhow. And haven't I already said that this priest is neither pro-novus ordo (duh - why would be enter the FSSP if he was) or pro-Protestant?

The FSSP doesn't speak out against the NO or anything going on in the Vatican because they're afraid they'll "get in trouble". They fear the wrath of man more than the wrath of God. You should ask an SSPX priest.

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Did you really just say that? You are willing to trust an anonymous source on the Internet rather than the council of a priest that has spent 7 years in the seminary? Your post reeks of the hellish arrogance that some people get after sitting behind their monitors reading about "the Crisis in the church" and fancy themselves learned in subjects that were formerely pursued only by holy priests and religious. It would harldy be surprising if you were among those new to tradition that has almost no communication with real (not online) traditional Catholics and lacks the social ability to even associate with them apart from behind the veil of the Internet- where you are free to shoot off your mouth without consequence.

I've been a Traditional Catholic since Januray 2010. That's great considering the spiritually lazy Novus Ordite I was before. I think it's no secret that you're not a Trad, more of a neo-Trad. Half of my family is Protestant (including my father) and I can't express to you enough how dangerous it can be to hang out with them and play the organ for them of Sundays. But you don't seem to care. I think you only started this thread to see how many people agreed with you and really didn't give a flip who thought you should change jobs.