Author Topic: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ? (Read 24198 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #105 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:04:31 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 25, 2018, 09:59:20 AM

No, that's taking things too far. We're ALL infected with liberalism and modernism. None of us is a walking saint and those of us living in the world absorb its errors whether we like it or not.

Until you brought up the idea of avoiding a marriage license, i'd never given it 2 seconds of thought. So, by your definition, I was insisting on getting one, therefore i'm a male-feminist (which, sadly, do exist). Also, your claims that any woman who wants one is self-serving, feminist, etc is going way overboard and you're hurting your argument and your integrity by being extreme.

This is a facinating debate, because it combines catholic morals and human psychology - much to learn from it! But it's not about condemning women, or avoiding marriage, or protecting $. It's about exposing the anti-catholic society we live in, about "alternative" measures that one can take to protect themselves and about REALIZING that some of our long-held views are wrong, or at least, not consistent with catholic ideals. And these catholic ideals have not been preached/upheld for 50-60 years! This is because our Faith was stolen from us. But still, we have grace so we can re-learn and recognize such ideals if we have good will. But for some of you, especially women who society is trying to destroy, you must especially be on guard and open to the possibility that you may not recognize the corruption that you have regrettably absorbed.

This is a fair post. Thank you.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #106 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:27:51 AM »

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I'm all for putting some control back in the hands of the Church who would instinctively make separation and civil divorce entirely undesirable for both parties.

Exhibit A: I said that a prenup is needed because the husband has no leverage to force a woman to stay in the marriage and the Church has low leverage as well (what can the Church do anymore, practically speaking, except say "well, you've committed a sin").

The response, from a good, pious catholic lady is: "I'm all for putting some control back in the hands of the Church." She did not mention the husband, whom she promised before God to obey IN ALL THINGS. The husband should not have any control, if we "read between the lines" of her response.

I don't mean to say you're a feminist, or a bad catholic, but this is an example of feminist error. Just pointing out hypocrisy and anti-catholic thinking.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #107 on:** June 25, 2018, 10:37:24 AM »

Further, the 'appeal to chuch authorities' is often used by "catholic" women to subvert a husband's authority. A woman takes a VOW to obey her husband in all things; she does not take a vow to obey her priest in all things, she must only obey him in spiritual things (normally he's not involved, and doesn't want to be involved in your day-to-day life). Most of the time, marital conflicts are over things - where to live, what kind of car to get, etc, etc. When a woman appeals to a priest to sort these things out, the priest has no authority to fix this problem. And a woman is bound by vow to listen to her husband, but since she doesn't want to give him full control, she appeals to the Church to de-leverage him.

Not saying it happens alot, but it does happen.

jvk · « **Reply #108 on:** June 25, 2018, 11:11:19 AM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 25, 2018, 09:17:55 AM

It's ironic that JVK put out a "soap opera scenario" where the husband is divorced for non-church approved reasons and none of you women have condemned the hypothetical woman for serious sin. Anytime you criticized "her" actions, it was always qualified, always indirectly justified, always given the benefit of the doubt. And all of you claim to be in happy marriages, with years of experience.

The hypothetic wife should be labeled as a homewrecker, and the husband labeled an immature, sorry excuse for a man. Neither is a good catholic. But separation/divorce is a step that cannot be taken lightly, as did the hypothetical wife. She committed a hypothetically grave sin which mocks her marriage vows and she should be called out for it.

Seems to me that even good, catholic women like y'all are infected with feminism and worldly attitudes about divorce. So even if a man prays for a "pious wife" such a woman is still partially-infected with feminism and the state's fight against holy matrimony. It's unavoidable. Your reactions prove so.

I agree with you. How can a woman NOT be infected with feminism to some extent when our world is so saturated with it? I struggle against it often.

I wasn't attempting to put out a "soap opera scenario" at all. No, I was merely trying to make a point that it's not always the woman who changes after divorce. Sometimes men do, too.

And yes, if a woman makes a mockery of her vows, yes, she should be called out for it. There is no defense for sin.

Finally, I have no interest in insisting on a state marriage license. But good luck finding a priest to preside over the marriage in the US without one. Unless there's a way around it?

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #109 on:** June 25, 2018, 11:12:13 AM »

The female Jew's scorn is a Hell fury on earth. They hate truth more than the average Jezebel. Look at what the female Jew did to St. John the Baptist. She had him murdered and beheaded.

They subvert men in order to black mail them into doing Satan's work.

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