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Where do you stand on Marriage Prenups and State Marriage Licenses?

I FAVOR a Catholic prenup and REFUSE a state marriage license.
2 (8.3%)
I REFUSE a Catholic Prenup and ACCEPT a state marriage license.
1 (4.2%)
I accept Catholic marriage vows and state laws as written (and pray I'm not divorced).
13 (54.2%)
I don't have a firm opinion on either one.
3 (12.5%)
I hope to get to Heaven by remaining single.
5 (20.8%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: July 05, 2018, 07:43:47 PM

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Offline jvk

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2018, 06:20:09 AM »
When you get car insurance, do you plan on getting in a car accident? That's the same "logic" you're using. Answer the question, woman.
So, basically, you're looking at this prenup as a type of insurance?  The man would be "insured" against the woman leaving him?  And she should trust his judgment enough that she should be willing to sign such a prenup as an act of love and a sign of her future willingness to obey, correct? 
OK, I can get that. 
However.  All these arguments are presuming the woman is the one to initiate divorce.  What protection would be provided for the woman should the man decide that he wants a divorce?  What if he grows tired of his sweet, lovable wife.  One who is obedient and a good wife and mother.  You're saying the woman can change after marriage.  Well, would you not agree that a man could change as well?  Where's her insurance? 

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2018, 06:54:56 AM »
So, basically, you're looking at this prenup as a type of insurance?  The man would be "insured" against the woman leaving him?  And she should trust his judgment enough that she should be willing to sign such a prenup as an act of love and a sign of her future willingness to obey, correct?
OK, I can get that.
However.  All these arguments are presuming the woman is the one to initiate divorce.  What protection would be provided for the woman should the man decide that he wants a divorce?  What if he grows tired of his sweet, lovable wife.  One who is obedient and a good wife and mother.  You're saying the woman can change after marriage.  Well, would you not agree that a man could change as well?  Where's her insurance?
Yes, the prenup should include protection of the woman, too. The text should include that a woman gets up to half of what the man built and acquired after the marriage, or whatever they both agree on that's written in the prenup, in the event the man "divorces" his wife for no reason, or he's been proven to commit adultery, abuse or any other situation unbecoming of a husband.

But the man must be very careful and consider strict limitations on what is given to the wife, because the court system is so corrupt & subversive, it would award a woman what's underscored in the prenup simply because the wife videotapes the man sneezing, and the court adjudicates that as "malicious intent to harm the wife",


Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2018, 07:34:28 AM »
Right, wills are an easy fix.  But what about the situation where you get into a car accident and you're in a coma and your wife isn't allowed to make a decision on some necessary surgery because insurance doesn't recognize her as your spouse, therefore they aren't legally allowed to let her help you or make decisions on your behalf.

... I'm not saying all this can't be legally fixed, i'm just saying that there are 'unintended consequences' if one avoids a marriage license.  So keep that in mind. And if you don't fix these issues, then if tragedy strikes, you could have a lot of headaches.  

Some jobs have benefits for a surviving spouse, which I don't think there would be a "fix" for, leaving the widow without that much-needed benefit/income, possibly forcing her to go get a job to support the children, thus requiring them to go to day-care etc.  Things are not as simple as some might seem to think.    

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2018, 08:07:15 AM »
I'm all for putting some control back in the hands of the Church who would instinctively make separation and civil divorce entirely undesirable for both parties. But, I also know that no amount of legal paperwork is going to make a happy marriage. A woman of very low character is going to get what she wants even if she has to take you out of the picture in the process, while a woman of high morals will never resort to having the courts impose vengeance for her. Skip the paperwork and ask God to send you a virtuous spouse. "Ask and you shall receive."

"Putting control back into the hands of the Church", but the Church isn't functioning... at any level?

As a sad reminder, the SSPX just handed our holy traditional marriages over to the Concilliar Church bishops.

The Catholic Prenup concept is mainly a band-aid approach to our judaized legal system.

The husband or wife may try to seek relief in the civil courts, but the Prenup contract will hopefully provide some protection.

Re: Do you favor State Marriage Licenses & Prenuptual Agreements ?
« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2018, 08:23:55 AM »
... But, I also know that no amount of legal paperwork is going to make a happy marriage. A woman of very low character is going to get what she wants even if she has to take you out of the picture in the process, while a woman of high morals will never resort to having the courts impose vengeance for her. Skip the paperwork and ask God to send you a virtuous spouse. "Ask and you shall receive."
^This.   And work on making yourself a virtuous potential spouse too, which would seriously lessen the likelihood of your future virtuous spouse wanting to dump you.