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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2021, 03:47:46 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 05, 2021, 03:29:00 PM
You add to it the fact that there's a separation from the person's reputation due to the fake persona of "Last Tradhican" on the interwebs.  So the real person is not taking the hit to any kind of reputation.

Finally, I would agree that the sentiments regularly posted by Last Trad are in fact blameworthy, and a public rebuke may be in order.  I think a lot of service was done in bringing this type of Pharisaical attitude to light lest other Traditional Catholics slide into the mentality.  If he's publicly promoting these types of attitudes, then he can rightfully and justly be rebuked for them.

I've been called a lot worse here on CI, and the fact that Last Trad is being such a baby about it that he has to start an entire thread defending himself speaks to the veracity of the charges.  Last Trad, take this as an invitation to examine your conscience and then move along.
Well, there it is, while I was writing my last post, Ladislaus  finally admitted his motive.  He was jumping on the opportunity to join the club of detractors or revilers or  calumniators, or ad-hominem attackers (take a pick), well, at least he finally honestly stated why he decided to disrupt a thread for a dust mite on an elephant.

We learn something every day.

P.S.- not a one example of this sin of pride has been exhibited by anyone, not a one.
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2021, 05:40:27 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 05, 2021, 03:20:35 PM
No, the issue started with Bonaventure's comments.

Nice try, but that's false.  Detraction!  (See how easy that is to do?)

The issue started in this post when ByzCat3000 rightfully called out Last Trad as coming off as "pharisaic." There are presently 7 upvotes to ByCat3000's comment, so obviously it's not only ByzCatt3000's (nor my own) opinion on the matter.

 One would think, if one were a pious, God-fearing individual, that if one were accused of being "pharisaic," which others apparently agreed with as evinced by the number of upvotes, that said person would pause and reflect on the accusation, concerned that it may contain veracity.  Not Last Trad, though.  Instead, he doubles down, accusing others of detraction (which, if you think about it, if we are to accept Last Trad's definition of that word, is itself detraction), going so far as to start a new whiney thread about it.

 :facepalm:

After thinking about it, I'm going to have to amend the one-and-only CathInfo Beatitude (added language in bold): "Blessed are us few Trad, for we, and only we, are entitled to the Kingdom of Heaven."

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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2021, 05:46:27 PM »
Quote from: Bonaventure on July 05, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
Nice try, but that's false.  Detraction!  (See how easy that is to do?)

The issue started in this post when ByzCat3000 rightfully called out Last Trad as coming off as "pharisaic." There are presently 7 upvotes to ByCat3000's comment, so obviously it's not only ByzCatt3000's (nor my own) opinion on the matter.

 One would think, if one were a pious, God-fearing individual, that if one were accused of being "pharisaic," which others apparently agreed with as evinced by the number of upvotes, that said person would pause and reflect on the accusation, concerned that it may contain veracity.  Not Last Trad, though.  Instead, he doubles down, accusing others of detraction (which, if you think about it, if we are to accept Last Trad's definition of that word, is itself detraction), going so far as to start a new whiney thread about it.

 :facepalm:

After thinking about it, I'm going to have to amend the one-and-only CathInfo Beatitude (added language in bold): "Blessed are us few Trad, for we, and only we, are entitled to the Kingdom of Heaven."
Well, Bonaventure, I know which thread it started in, but it was YOUR comments that he called detraction.  THAT was my point.

Why do you post here at Cathinfo?  You seem to not like it here.  

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Offline Matthew

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Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2021, 05:51:01 PM »
Without getting involved in this little spat, I'll answer the succinct question asked in the OP title:
"Detraction - When are we guilty?"

We are guilty of the sin of Detraction -- a sin of the tongue against Charity -- when we

1. Reveal a hidden/private sin of another living person,
2. The sin in question being TRUE, (or else it's slander or libel)
3. Without sufficient cause (e.g., the public good)


Note this doesn't apply to criticizing another's public posts -- or any public actions. Anything in "the public domain" can be discussed. This includes anything the public has a right to know about, or needs to know about. The background, positions, and beliefs of Politicians for example. Also, the Church is a public organization, and a Priest is a public man. So anything touching on a priest's formation, ordination, or "resume" (curriculum vitae) is certainly public domain. Detraction doesn't apply to anyone who isn't "valid matter" as a target for the virtue of Charity, such as a Corporation or an Organization.

No individual is beyond criticism, especially on a discussion board. Most of all anyone famous or pseudo-famous, including anyone holding anything remotely resembling a leadership position. Forum owners and moderators, for example.
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Offline Bonaventure

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2021, 06:42:22 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on July 05, 2021, 05:46:27 PM
Why do you post here at Cathinfo?  You seem to not like it here.  

Not true at all.  I just don't have much patience for the sanctimonious and self-righteous, of which, CathInfo seems to have an abundance of from time to time. 
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