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Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« on: July 05, 2021, 09:43:58 AM »
In another thread, there was this derailing of the subject towards a debate about detraction, so I thought I'd start a thread about detraction :


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Ladislaus wrote:  He was simply taking exception with your accusation of "detraction" (when someone accused Last Tradhican of being pharisaical, and of the sin of pride).  And I agree with him.  Detraction is the revelation of a secret / hidden fault, and isn't in play here.

How is it not at play here, when the original person accused me of the sin of pride and called me pharisaical (and submitted no evidence whatsoever)?

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Detraction (newadvent.org)
 Detraction is the unjust damaging of another's good name by the revelation of some fault of which that other is really guilty or at any rate is seriously believed to be guilty by the defamer.
 An important difference between detraction and calumny is at once apparent. The calumniator says what he knows to be false, whilst the detractor narrates what he at least honestly thinks is true. Detraction in a general sense is a mortal sin, as being a violation of the virtue not only of charity but also of justice.


Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2021, 11:04:05 AM »
Even though common sense would tell you as much, I had never heard of detraction being a sin, until I began to learn about the Catholic Faith.

This was one thing that attracted me to Catholicism.  As I just told my mother a little while ago (I am doing home care for my father this morning), it is not so much that Catholicism differs from other Christian [sic] sects on the matter of "being a good person" or not, it is more that our morality is systematized, logic and reason are employed, and most of all, it is utterly dispassionate --- the same "rules" for everyone, there is none of this "this one believes this" and "that one believes that", it's black-and-white where it's black-and-white, and it's gray where it's gray.  I have a pet theory that this is why educated Catholics make so much better lawyers and judges (six, seven if you count Gorsuch, Supreme Court Justices are Catholic) --- our faith, and our way of thinking, is utterly objective, and we make fair decisions instead of tendentious ones.  (Sotomayor is a product of her times, upbringing, and culture.)


Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2021, 11:56:39 AM »
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Per the claims of pride against Tradhican, in the other thread only, I would say it is closer to reviling than detracting, since he was preset for the remarks.

Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2021, 12:01:23 PM »
Degrees of gravity in both calumny and detraction:

DETRACTION
Just know that detraction can be either mortal or venial, depending on the severity of the behavior being reported, combined with the role/status of the person being detracted against, which may compound the detraction.

Thus, revealing a fault that you alone witnessed in so-and-so lay person and then passed along to another lay person (an equal of both of you) would normally be confessed as a venial sin.  However, if there was no cause or provocation in which to reveal that fault, one should examine one's conscience about the motive involved: Pride? (competition with that other) A private wish to stir up enmity with tale-bearing (another sin)? Envy? (an opportunity to diminish the stature of the other)

Heavier level: revealing a grave fault or grave sin in another lay person: Mortal sin.

Compounded gravity: revealing a hitherto unknown grave fault or grave sin in a consecrated person: Mortal sin.  By definition, if the revelation involves just protection of a vulnerable lay person, then the revelation is not detraction but an act of charity and justice.  However, merely revealing a grave problem or moral condition of a priest or other religious, for the purpose of spite, attention, or vanity would be mortally sinful.

CALUMNY
Given that calumny is by definition a lie, it seems not possible for it to be light matter because we are potentially destroying the reputation of another through falsehood.  It's a combination of two violations of justice and at least one violation of charity.

Compounded level: involving a consecrated person as either the object of false information or the receiver of false information about a member of that person's flock or similar subordinate relationship.

Three times in the last 8 years I have been the object of calumny at my parish, and in all three occasions that did include deliberate involvement of priests as the receivers of falsehoods.  I am not the only one to have suffered calumny at this parish; at least one other woman has been the object, more often than I, and over the same time period. The calumny was motivated by Envy in all of these cases.  The point is, the reason that the calumny is compounded in that case is that it corrupts the relationship of a lay person with his or her priest & often spiritual director and confessor. 

Edited to add that the previous sentence comes from a sermon about this by Fr. Ripperger.

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Re: Detraction - When are We Guilty?
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2021, 12:14:28 PM »
How is it not at play here, when the original person accused me of the sin of pride and called me pharisaical (and submitted no evidence whatsoever)?

Precisely for the reasons cited by Matto.  Detraction involves the revelation of a SECRET or HIDDEN fault.  This accusation of pride was based on your public posting and not based on some personal knowledge that is known to the accuser alone.  Call it a false accusation, perhaps even calumny, but it's not detraction.