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Offline poche

Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2018, 12:12:24 AM »
Quote from: trad123 on January 04, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
A Protestant firmly believing the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion is antithetical to accepting and believing the truth. The Protestant who dies believing in his creed accepts and believes in a falsehood.
What you are saying contradicts the Baltimore Catechism.
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Offline Merry

Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2018, 12:05:49 PM »
Poche, how long have you been on this website, and read all the BOD/BOB and Modernist presentations, and have yet to pick up on how the Baltimore Catechism was put together by the liberals of the American Hierarchy, at a time when they were not just (beginning to be?) influenced by Masonry, but also in the business of getting along with the non-Catholics of the United States, and making salvation a non-challenge to those souls?  They would not tell them there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  And then, even if they mentioned that, or the phrase "One True Church," they would soften the requirements with Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

I know people who were never taught BOB/BOD - and catechisms other than the Baltimore which NEVER mentions it.  The catechisms prior to the Baltimore catechism in this country did not mention it.

What do you think Pope Leo's slap down of the U.S. Hierarchy via his condemnation of Americanism was all about?  In it he stated his alarm at the liberalism here, and that Catholicism as taught in America had better be the same as that taught in the rest of the world.
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Offline poche

Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 02:02:56 AM »
Quote from: Merry on January 06, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
Poche, how long have you been on this website, and read all the BOD/BOB and Modernist presentations, and have yet to pick up on how the Baltimore Catechism was put together by the liberals of the American Hierarchy, at a time when they were not just (beginning to be?) influenced by Masonry, but also in the business of getting along with the non-Catholics of the United States, and making salvation a non-challenge to those souls?  They would not tell them there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  And then, even if they mentioned that, or the phrase "One True Church," they would soften the requirements with Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

I know people who were never taught BOB/BOD - and catechisms other than the Baltimore which NEVER mentions it.  The catechisms prior to the Baltimore catechism in this country did not mention it.

What do you think Pope Leo's slap down of the U.S. Hierarchy via his condemnation of Americanism was all about?  In it he stated his alarm at the liberalism here, and that Catholicism as taught in America had better be the same as that taught in the rest of the world.
A Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Prepared and Enjoined by Order of the Third Council of Baltimore, or simply the Baltimore Catechism,[1] was the official national catechism for children in the United States of America, based on Robert Bellarmine's 1614 Small Catechism. The first such catechism written for Catholics in North America, it was the standard Catholic school text in the country from 1885 to the late 1960s. It was officially replaced by the United States Catholic Catechism for Adults in 2004, based on the revised universal Catechism of the Catholic Church.
In response to a personal copyright taken out by Bishop John Lancaster Spalding,[2] various editions include annotations or other modifications. While the approved text had to remain the same in the catechisms, by adding maps, glossaries or definitions publishers could copyright and sell their own version of the catechism. The Baltimore Catechism remained in use in nearly all Catholic schools until many moved away from catechism-based education, though it is still used in some.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Catechism

The Baltimore Catechism is hardly a liberal novus ordoite catechism.
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Offline Merry

Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 04:47:51 PM »
You believe Wikipedia - notoriously written by liberals to push their various agendas?  

The catechisms used in the US before the liberal Baltimore Catechism, did not have BOD/BOB.  Neither did the original Trent catechism, or St. Robert Bellarmine's nor the Irish (Penny) Catechism.  

You don't seem to get what the Conspiracy has done in the Church, how it operates, or how it has made inroads in the United States.  It specifically hates No Salvation outside the Catholic Church.  At the time of the French Revolution, their leaders would say, "If anyone says 'there is no salvation outside the Church' - let him be driven from the state!" This is why they pushed ecuŠ¼enism at the Vatican II Council, and why Fr. Feeney was so inconvenient for them.

 "Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." - Jn 3:5

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Offline MyrnaM

Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 05:58:19 PM »
Quote from: Neil Obstat on December 04, 2017, 12:06:46 AM
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Protestants don't believe in Purgatory why would they go there?
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No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven this is a defined Catholic dogma and if you don't believe it then you can't go to heaven, either, as if you were Protestant.
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This is exactly correct as bolded it hints to the fact that God's grace, in the end, could bring him to the Catholic Faith, unknown to the world but known to God.  He took his last breath in God's good grace just as the thief who some say stoled heaven and died a Catholic.  Perfect Act of Contrition. Yet, Purgatory and Our Lady told the Fatima children that their little friend (I think her name was Amelia) would be in Purgatory till the end of time, and she was just a child.  

We don't know for sure how many souls were given the grace of a Perfect Act of Contrition, but we can hope and pray for God's mercy in that regard.  Since the Church teaches that there is such a grace.
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