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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2017, 10:27:32 AM »
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  • Those ears are itching so bad these days, makes me wonder if they have been infected with poison ivy...
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    Just this past week, I have heard 3 different people, who probably don't even know each other, but they all said the same thing, generally speaking.
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    They said they were "raised Catholic" then proceeded to pronounce their belief in reincarnation.
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    It made me wonder, how long before Bishop of Rome Francis chimes in on reincarnation? 
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    When the frequency of reincarnation adherents reaches critical mass?
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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #16 on: December 27, 2017, 04:55:23 AM »
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  • From the Baltimore Catechism;

    Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
    A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
    1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
    2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
    3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #17 on: December 27, 2017, 11:08:40 PM »
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  • When there is conflict of messages the infallible teaching of the Church are to be believed FIRST!

    From the Vatican I Council:

    6. Now, although the assent of faith is by no means a blind movement of the mind, yet no one can accept the gospel preaching in the way that is necessary for achieving salvation without the inspiration and illumination of the Holy Spirit, who gives to all facility in accepting and believing the truth.

    Do you see the conflict here? If you believe Q. 510 # 2, then you would have to disagree with the Vatican I council. You would be either confessing that the Holy Spirit teaches error, which would be blaspheme. Or a person could achieve salvation without the illumination of the Holy Spirit.
    That appears to say the same thing as the Baltimore Catechism.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #18 on: January 03, 2018, 10:14:56 PM »
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  • According to the soul in Purgatory they are not saved because of their protestantism, but in spite of it. The soul acknowledged that the Protestants do not receive as many graces as Catholics but also that there are many Catholics who abuse these graces.
    This is an example of the limitless mental somersaults of the Bogus Ordo theologians.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #19 on: January 04, 2018, 11:49:41 PM »
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  • That appears to say the same thing as the Baltimore Catechism.

    A Protestant firmly believing the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion is antithetical to accepting and believing the truth. The Protestant who dies believing in his creed accepts and believes in a falsehood.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #20 on: January 06, 2018, 12:12:24 AM »
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  • A Protestant firmly believing the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion is antithetical to accepting and believing the truth. The Protestant who dies believing in his creed accepts and believes in a falsehood.
    What you are saying contradicts the Baltimore Catechism.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #21 on: January 06, 2018, 12:05:49 PM »
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  • Poche, how long have you been on this website, and read all the BOD/BOB and Modernist presentations, and have yet to pick up on how the Baltimore Catechism was put together by the liberals of the American Hierarchy, at a time when they were not just (beginning to be?) influenced by Masonry, but also in the business of getting along with the non-Catholics of the United States, and making salvation a non-challenge to those souls?  They would not tell them there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  And then, even if they mentioned that, or the phrase "One True Church," they would soften the requirements with Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    I know people who were never taught BOB/BOD - and catechisms other than the Baltimore which NEVER mentions it.  The catechisms prior to the Baltimore catechism in this country did not mention it.

    What do you think Pope Leo's slap down of the U.S. Hierarchy via his condemnation of Americanism was all about?  In it he stated his alarm at the liberalism here, and that Catholicism as taught in America had better be the same as that taught in the rest of the world.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 02:02:56 AM »
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  • Poche, how long have you been on this website, and read all the BOD/BOB and Modernist presentations, and have yet to pick up on how the Baltimore Catechism was put together by the liberals of the American Hierarchy, at a time when they were not just (beginning to be?) influenced by Masonry, but also in the business of getting along with the non-Catholics of the United States, and making salvation a non-challenge to those souls?  They would not tell them there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.  And then, even if they mentioned that, or the phrase "One True Church," they would soften the requirements with Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood.

    I know people who were never taught BOB/BOD - and catechisms other than the Baltimore which NEVER mentions it.  The catechisms prior to the Baltimore catechism in this country did not mention it.

    What do you think Pope Leo's slap down of the U.S. Hierarchy via his condemnation of Americanism was all about?  In it he stated his alarm at the liberalism here, and that Catholicism as taught in America had better be the same as that taught in the rest of the world.
    A Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Prepared and Enjoined by Order of the Third Council of Baltimore, or simply the Baltimore Catechism,[1] was the official national catechism for children in the United States of America, based on Robert Bellarmine's 1614 Small Catechism. The first such catechism written for Catholics in North America, it was the standard Catholic school text in the country from 1885 to the late 1960s. It was officially replaced by the United States Catholic Catechism for Adults in 2004, based on the revised universal Catechism of the Catholic Church.
    In response to a personal copyright taken out by Bishop John Lancaster Spalding,[2] various editions include annotations or other modifications. While the approved text had to remain the same in the catechisms, by adding maps, glossaries or definitions publishers could copyright and sell their own version of the catechism. The Baltimore Catechism remained in use in nearly all Catholic schools until many moved away from catechism-based education, though it is still used in some.
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Catechism

    The Baltimore Catechism is hardly a liberal novus ordoite catechism.


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 04:47:51 PM »
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  • You believe Wikipedia - notoriously written by liberals to push their various agendas?  

    The catechisms used in the US before the liberal Baltimore Catechism, did not have BOD/BOB.  Neither did the original Trent catechism, or St. Robert Bellarmine's nor the Irish (Penny) Catechism.  

    You don't seem to get what the Conspiracy has done in the Church, how it operates, or how it has made inroads in the United States.  It specifically hates No Salvation outside the Catholic Church.  At the time of the French Revolution, their leaders would say, "If anyone says 'there is no salvation outside the Church' - let him be driven from the state!" This is why they pushed ecumenism at the Vatican II Council, and why Fr. Feeney was so inconvenient for them.

     "Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." - Jn 3:5

    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 05:58:19 PM »
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    Protestants don't believe in Purgatory why would they go there?
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    No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven this is a defined Catholic dogma and if you don't believe it then you can't go to heaven, either, as if you were Protestant.
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    This is exactly correct as bolded it hints to the fact that God's grace, in the end, could bring him to the Catholic Faith, unknown to the world but known to God.  He took his last breath in God's good grace just as the thief who some say stoled heaven and died a Catholic.  Perfect Act of Contrition. Yet, Purgatory and Our Lady told the Fatima children that their little friend (I think her name was Amelia) would be in Purgatory till the end of time, and she was just a child.  

    We don't know for sure how many souls were given the grace of a Perfect Act of Contrition, but we can hope and pray for God's mercy in that regard.  Since the Church teaches that there is such a grace.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #25 on: January 07, 2018, 06:00:25 PM »
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  • And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
    That quote might be just as applicable to a novus ordo "catholic".  We don't know how God judges a soul, so work out your salvation in fear and trembling as St. Paul says. 


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #26 on: April 11, 2018, 07:56:40 PM »
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  • From the Baltimore Catechism;

    Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
    A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
    1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
    2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
    3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
    It does not matter what he believes. If he does not know that the Church is the True Church, it is he that is at fault, because he ought to know that it is. He is obliged to have found the truth of the Catholic Religion.
    This individual firmly believes and practices a meaningless and false religion which will gain him nothing but eternal damnation.
    This is all speculation by which to satisfy the human need for a way other than that which the
    Lord has set down and reguires of each man who would be saved.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #27 on: April 12, 2018, 05:20:43 PM »
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  • From the Baltimore Catechism;

    Q. 510. Is it ever possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church?
    A. It is possible for one to be saved who does not know the Catholic Church to be the true Church, provided that person:
    1.(1) Has been validly baptized;
    2.(2) Firmly believes the religion he professes and practices to be the true religion, and
    3.(3) Dies without the guilt of mortal sin on his soul.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/catechism/baltimore-catechism/lesson-11-on-the-church
    it is pretty much impossible for any non-Catholic over the age of reason to die without mortal sin. without penance that one time they masturbated as a teen will still damn them even if they lived a near perfect life otherwise. 

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #28 on: April 12, 2018, 08:17:55 PM »
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    Protestants don't believe in Purgatory why would they go there?
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    No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven this is a defined Catholic dogma and if you don't believe it then you can't go to heaven, either, as if you were Protestant.
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    Then why did padre pio tell his co-monks to pray for the soul of the king of england... who was protestant.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #29 on: April 12, 2018, 10:43:47 PM »
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  • It does not matter what he believes. If he does not know that the Church is the True Church, it is he that is at fault, because he ought to know that it is. He is obliged to have found the truth of the Catholic Religion.
    This individual firmly believes and practices a meaningless and false religion which will gain him nothing but eternal damnation.
    This is all speculation by which to satisfy the human need for a way other than that which the
    Lord has set down and reguires of each man who would be saved.
    If a person's ignorance is invincible then his judgement is very different from one who was raised as a Catholic. Jesus said, "To whom much is given, much will be required." and also, The servant who knew his master's wishes will recieve more stripes than the one who didn't." The angels sang at the birth of Christ, "et pax hominis bonae voluntatis." (and peace to men of good will.) they did not sing "et pax bonae Catholicam."    

     

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