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Offline poche

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From a Soul in Purgatory
« on: December 03, 2017, 11:35:45 PM »
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  •  Are many Protestants saved?
    By the mercy of God a certain number of Protestants are saved, but their Purgatory is for many long and rigorous. It is true they have not abused grace like many Catholics, but neither have they had the marvelous graces of the sacraments and the other helps of the true religion, thus their expiation in Purgatory is prolonged.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6253

    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2017, 12:06:46 AM »
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  • Are many Protestants saved?
    By the mercy of God a certain number of Protestants are saved, but their Purgatory is for many long and rigorous. It is true they have not abused grace like many Catholics, but neither have they had the marvelous graces of the sacraments and the other helps of the true religion, thus their expiation in Purgatory is prolonged.
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    Protestants don't believe in Purgatory why would they go there?
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    No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven this is a defined Catholic dogma and if you don't believe it then you can't go to heaven, either, as if you were Protestant.
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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #2 on: December 04, 2017, 12:53:00 AM »
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  • Protestants are not saved. See this article below.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/the-mystery-of-the-wizard-clip/
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #3 on: December 04, 2017, 05:38:40 AM »
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  • Are many Protestants saved?

     And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #4 on: December 04, 2017, 08:21:15 AM »
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    Protestants don't believe in Purgatory why would they go there?
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    No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven this is a defined Catholic dogma and if you don't believe it then you can't go to heaven, either, as if you were Protestant.
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    They would go there if God in His mercy decides that they should go there. 


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #5 on: December 04, 2017, 08:53:26 AM »
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  • No, there are no Protestants who are saved.  Period.  It's heresy to state otherwise.  Only Catholics can be saved.  Have you read any of the dogmatic definitions, poche?


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #6 on: December 04, 2017, 08:54:23 AM »
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  • They would go there if God in His mercy decides that they should go there.

    Purgatory is only for those who are going to be saved, and we know with the certainty of faith that Protestants cannot be saved.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #7 on: December 04, 2017, 09:10:44 AM »
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    They would go there if God in His mercy decides that they should go there.
    Unfortunately for Protestants, this is what 99.99% of Catholics believe and teach today.

    It reminds me of what Catholics say today when a relative is on his last days before death; "Don't call a priest, it'll scare him to death".

    Milquetoast "Catholics" like that are a curse upon Catholics, fallen away Catholics, and all non-Catholics.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #8 on: December 04, 2017, 07:31:09 PM »
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  • Unfortunately for Protestants, this is what 99.99% of Catholics believe and teach today.
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    How do you arrive at the figure, 99.99%?
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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 03:28:22 AM »
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  • Protestants are not saved. See this article below.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-library/the-mystery-of-the-wizard-clip/
    According to the soul in Purgatory they are not saved because of their protestantism, but in spite of it. The soul acknowledged that the Protestants do not receive as many graces as Catholics but also that there are many Catholics who abuse these graces.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 03:48:23 AM »
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    How do you arrive at the figure, 99.99%?
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    That is my experience in the USA. Strict EENSers are a rare find. Moreover, in my experience, most Catholics know nothing about the faith to begin with, all  they know is "ask Father".

    What is your experience? 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 03:50:24 AM »
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    According to the soul in Purgatory they are not saved because of their protestantism, but in spite of it. The soul acknowledged that the Protestants do not receive as many graces as Catholics but also that there are many Catholics who abuse these graces.
    For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears (2Tim 4:3) 
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 08:04:11 AM »
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  • According to the soul in Purgatory they are not saved because of their protestantism, but in spite of it. The soul acknowledged that the Protestants do not receive as many graces as Catholics but also that there are many Catholics who abuse these graces.

    Well, according to Catholic DOGMA (vs. "the soul in Purgatory"), Protestants cannot be saved.

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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 09:59:45 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat on December 03, 2017, 10:06:46 PM
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    No Protestant, as a Protestant, can ever go to Heaven ....

    Could you explain what you mean here? Thanks
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    Any Protestant at the point of death who remains a Protestant and dies that way cannot be saved.
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    No one like that can ever go to heaven.
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    There are no Protestants in heaven.
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    There can be converts FROM Protestantism in heaven, or those who WERE Protestants and became Catholics.
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    Consequently, there are no Protestants in Purgatory, either, contrary to poche's silly quote of Modernist rubbish.
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    Protestants  as Protestants do not go to Purgatory, and it comes as no surprise that they don't believe in Purgatory.
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    They don't believe in the very thing that could save them if they were to believe in it, ironically.
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    Because a Protestant who at the point of death gives up his Protestantism and accepts the Catholic truth might be eligible to go to Purgatory (with God's discretion and perfect contrition) and could thereby be purged of his sins since he died with perfect contrition.
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    This is more rare than one might think because perfect contrition is very difficult even for devout Catholics.
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    When someone doesn't believe in hell, there is a difference, because you don't have to believe in hell to go there.
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    This is part of the great difference between Purgatory and hell. 
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    When I asked poche the question, that was his opportunity to provide the correct answer, but he missed his chance.
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    Protestants can go to hell even if they don't believe in hell, but they can't go to Purgatory if they don't believe in Purgatory.
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    Purgatory is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith and to deny one doctrine of the Faith is to deny the whole thing.
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    No one who accepts the Catholic Faith disbelieves in Purgatory, and accepting the Catholic Faith is the only way of being able to go to Purgatory in the first place.
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    Everyone has two choices:
    1)  Believe the Catholic Faith, which includes believing in Purgatory, and be eligible for Purgatory and eventually heaven, 
    ............. or, 
    2)  Don't believe the Catholic Faith, even if it's just your refusal to believe in Purgatory, and consequently go directly to hell.
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    Re: From a Soul in Purgatory
    « Reply #14 on: December 05, 2017, 10:20:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat on Yesterday at 05:31:09 PM
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    How do you arrive at the figure, 99.99%?
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    That is my experience in the USA. Strict EENSers are a rare find. Moreover, in my experience, most Catholics know nothing about the faith to begin with, all  they know is "ask Father".

    What is your experience?
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    I haven't taken my own poll, and I don't know 10,000 people who are random statistical representatives of the entire USA. 
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    Since you are employing four significant figures your margin of error would be one in ten thousand, unless otherwise stated. 
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    You didn't mention anything about your margin of error. Maybe you don't know what margin of error is.
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    If your error were greater than one in ten thousand then you wouldn't be using four significant figures......
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    That is, presuming you know what you're talking about.
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    Unless your use of four figures is due to ignorance, in which case, you don't know what you're talking about.
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    If you mean to say "the vast majority," then you ought to say that instead of "99.99%" which has a specific meaning.
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    99.9% implies an error of one in one thousand, unless otherwise stated.
    99% implies an error of one in one hundred, unless otherwise stated.
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    To validly state 99% you would be saying you know at least one hundred people who are representative of the entire USA.
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