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Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2019, 02:10:55 PM »
Dogma - “Regarding children, indeed, because of danger of death, which can often take place, since no help can be brought to them by another remedy than through the sacrament of baptism, through which they are snatched from the domination of the devil and adopted among the sons of God, [the sacrosanct Roman Church] advises that holy baptism ought not to be deferred for forty or eighty days, ... but it should be conferred as soon as it can be done conveniently…” -Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, February 4, 1442

["Likewise, whoever says that those children who depart out of this life without partaking of that Sacrament (Baptism) are alive in Christ, certainly contradicts the apostolic declaration and condemns the universal Church, in which it is the practice to lose no time and run in haste to administer Baptism to infant children, because it is believed as an indubitable truth, that otherwise they cannot be made alive in Christ." -Saint Augustine, Father and Doctor of the Church, Epistle 167, AD 415
No one here denies these dogmas, but what do they have to do with this thread's question of whether an unborn baby can be martyred?

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2019, 02:15:25 PM »
And in the early 1940s, Father Feeney figured it out.
There are Feeneyites among "The Resistance" and this forum?


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM »
Nor were the Holy Innocents before martyrdom. Some were not even circuмcised (cf. St. Robert Bellarmine De Sacramento Baptismi p. 166, first full ¶); thus, they were justified solely by martyrdom.

The Holy Innocents died under the Old Law, and were not subject to the new dispensation of baptism.  Under no circuмstances is their situation even remotely similar to those of aborted babies who die under the New Law.  The obligation to receive the sacrament of baptism didn't come into effect until Pentecost Sunday, 33 AD.

One needn't be of the age of reason to be martyred. See Pope Benedict XIV's bull Beatus Andreas for several examples of young martyrs.

No one said you had to be the age of reason to be martyred.  We're not discussing martyrs here.  We're discussing babies who are murdered in the womb.

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2019, 02:37:14 PM »
It's not the gravest sin there is. Atheism/unbelief, for example, is much more serious.

Your view causes abortion to be a joyful thing.  Eternal bliss in heaven.

Tell me, does the baby in question believe?

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2019, 02:37:38 PM »
How do you explain the Holy Innocents, then?

See my previous response.