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Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 05:34:11 AM »
Dogma - “Regarding children, indeed, because of danger of death, which can often take place, since no help can be brought to them by another remedy than through the sacrament of baptism, through which they are snatched from the domination of the devil and adopted among the sons of God, [the sacrosanct Roman Church] advises that holy baptism ought not to be deferred for forty or eighty days, ... but it should be conferred as soon as it can be done conveniently…” -Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, February 4, 1442

"Likewise, whoever says that those children who depart out of this life without partaking of that Sacrament (Baptism) are alive in Christ, certainly contradicts the apostolic declaration and condemns the universal Church, in which it is the practice to lose no time and run in haste to administer Baptism to infant children, because it is believed as an indubitable truth, that otherwise they cannot be made alive in Christ." -Saint Augustine, Father and Doctor of the Church, Epistle 167, AD 415

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2019, 09:40:15 AM »

Dogmatically speaking, we can conclude that pope Francis and Bp Bernard Fellay are teaching heresies and outside the One, Holy, Apostolic Church.

As Father Hesse would say, they are part of the schismatic, conciliar church.


Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2019, 10:08:29 AM »
This "aborted babies and baptism of blood" notion is a perfect example of "mission creep."   What started out as theological speculation with a very narrow set of parameters (a catechumen who dies for explicit faith in Christ and His Church) ends up undermining the entire edifice of Catholic doctrine.   Truth isn't necessary, the sacraments aren't necessary, the moral law isn't necessary, revelation isn't necessary, the true religion isn't necessary.  Not even "accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior" is necessary.  None of it is necessary.  

We're supposed to be resisting error.  Why even bother?  Clearly, truth doesn't matter.  People can get to heaven without it.

Add to that the fact that, if aborted babies get "baptism of blood" and go straight to heaven, then abortion loses it's horror.  

The early Catholics did not resist persecution and martyrdom.  They embraced it.  If aborted babies go to heaven, then why are we resisting their "martyrdom"?  It seems to me the abortionist is doing them a favor, sending them straight to heaven.

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 10:52:25 AM »
Ecuмenical Council of Vienne re-affirming there is only ONE Baptism the Church actually knows of:

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All are faithfully to profess that there is one baptism which regenerates all those baptized in Christ, just as there is one God and one faith’. We believe that when baptism is administered in water in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit, it is a perfect means of salvation for both adults and children.

No mention of Baptism of Desire or Baptism of Blood in any infallible teaching of the Church.

Re: Aborted babies & baptism of blood
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 10:55:53 AM »
Dogmatically speaking, we can conclude that pope Francis and Bp Bernard Fellay are teaching heresies and outside the One, Holy, Apostolic Church.

As Father Hesse would say, they are part of the schismatic, conciliar church.

Funny thing is that Bp. Fellay says that 5% of Vatican II is error; but he sides with this 5%.