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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2023, 11:14:18 AM »
Most Novus Ordo parishes combines all the different stipends into a single mass (you can see the long list of intentions in their bulletins). This itself is a scandal because a priest can only take 1 stipend per Mass.

I routinely go to Sunday Mass at three different parishes (due to work schedule / Mass schedule / travel / TLM being offered) and Confession in four different parishes (due to schedule, especially as a couple offer weekday evening Confessions and one on Saturday mornings, which is convenient).  These parishes are in three different dioceses (Spokane and Yakima (WA), Boise (ID).  I always pick up a bulletin (many will have a rack with the current and past week's bulletins).  I have NEVER, EVER seen multiple intentions for a single Mass, EVER.

What might be the situation, maybe, is that most parishes have multiple Masses on Sunday.  My parish has eight Masses every weekend, in English and Spanish.  Most (unless it has a single priest covering another parish or mission) will have a daily Mass Monday through Saturday.  If there is more than one priest they may have additional daily Masses (i.e. 5:30 or 6 AM for the before work crowd, 5:30 PM for the after-work crowd, a mid-morning school Mass, a mid-day senior citizen Mass with lunch and a program, etc.).  If one were to actually read the bulletin they probably may notice that the each from the "long list of intentions" was assigned to a particular Mass.  One Mass each Sunday is "Pro Populo", offered for the entire parish community, which is required by the Church.  It is usually the principal Sunday morning Mass.

One thing that recently changed in my parish could be confusing, if one hadn't seen the pastor's article in the bulletin about it.  In some cultures there is a misguided view that the one who pays the Mass stipend somehow "owns" the Mass (and they may like to have it announced at the Mass that they are "sponsoring" it).  Besides the appearance of simony, it is the priest who is offering his intention for the family, it's not the family's Mass.  So now, each daily Mass has its (the offering priest's) intention listed in the bulletin but for Sunday the entire intention list is shown without a designation of which Mass they are individually being offered at.  The pastor added that if a particular date had a special significance (i.e. the anniversary of a marriage or death) the office would tell them which Sunday Mass was being offered for that intention, so they could attend that Mass if they wished.




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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2023, 07:59:57 PM »
I routinely go to Sunday Mass at three different parishes (due to work schedule / Mass schedule / travel / TLM being offered) and Confession in four different parishes (due to schedule, especially as a couple offer weekday evening Confessions and one on Saturday mornings, which is convenient).  These parishes are in three different dioceses (Spokane and Yakima (WA), Boise (ID).  I always pick up a bulletin (many will have a rack with the current and past week's bulletins).  I have NEVER, EVER seen multiple intentions for a single Mass, EVER.

What might be the situation, maybe, is that most parishes have multiple Masses on Sunday.  My parish has eight Masses every weekend, in English and Spanish.  Most (unless it has a single priest covering another parish or mission) will have a daily Mass Monday through Saturday.  If there is more than one priest they may have additional daily Masses (i.e. 5:30 or 6 AM for the before work crowd, 5:30 PM for the after-work crowd, a mid-morning school Mass, a mid-day senior citizen Mass with lunch and a program, etc.).  If one were to actually read the bulletin they probably may notice that the each from the "long list of intentions" was assigned to a particular Mass.  One Mass each Sunday is "Pro Populo", offered for the entire parish community, which is required by the Church.  It is usually the principal Sunday morning Mass.

One thing that recently changed in my parish could be confusing, if one hadn't seen the pastor's article in the bulletin about it.  In some cultures there is a misguided view that the one who pays the Mass stipend somehow "owns" the Mass (and they may like to have it announced at the Mass that they are "sponsoring" it).  Besides the appearance of simony, it is the priest who is offering his intention for the family, it's not the family's Mass.  So now, each daily Mass has its (the offering priest's) intention listed in the bulletin but for Sunday the entire intention list is shown without a designation of which Mass they are individually being offered at.  The pastor added that if a particular date had a special significance (i.e. the anniversary of a marriage or death) the office would tell them which Sunday Mass was being offered for that intention, so they could attend that Mass if they wished.

This was even addressed by the Congregation of the Clergy - https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/decree-on-mass-stipends-2023, so I'm not making things up. It could be that your particular area is more conservative when it comes to adhering to stipend regulations.


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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2023, 08:59:09 PM »
I routinely go to Sunday Mass at three different parishes (due to work schedule / Mass schedule / travel / TLM being offered) and Confession in four different parishes (due to schedule, especially as a couple offer weekday evening Confessions and one on Saturday mornings, which is convenient).  These parishes are in three different dioceses (Spokane and Yakima (WA), Boise (ID).  I always pick up a bulletin (many will have a rack with the current and past week's bulletins).  I have NEVER, EVER seen multiple intentions for a single Mass, EVER.

Happens all the time, but it's in "concelebration" scenarios for the most part.  I don't believe that's appropriate at all.  Despite multiple priests, there's only one Mass being offered.

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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2023, 09:13:59 PM »
Happens all the time, but it's in "concelebration" scenarios for the most part.  I don't believe that's appropriate at all.  Despite multiple priests, there's only one Mass being offered.
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There's ZERO Masses being offered. :laugh1:

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Re: Mass stipend $ increase
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2023, 09:52:28 PM »
Happens all the time, but it's in "concelebration" scenarios for the most part.  I don't believe that's appropriate at all.  Despite multiple priests, there's only one Mass being offered.
That would be a matter for the Church to rule on, neither you nor I.  However, if concelebrated Masses are happening "all the time" where you live there must be a huge explosion of vocations and ordinations in Ohio.  Otherwise, concelebration of a Mass by more than one priest (which is the continuous practice of the Eastern Church, it is of ancient origin) is rare.  The priests of a diocese will concelebrate with their bishop at the Chrism Mass, at an ordination Mass, when the Bishop is visiting a parish, and when priests are on retreat they would concelebrate.  Concelebrations may also occur at a funeral or wedding.  On Sundays almost all priests, including retired ones, have their own individual assigned Masses, they are all too busy to concelebrate with other priests.  Even for weekdays, if a parish has more than one priest, including a retired priest-in-residence, they will typically offer an additional daily Mass at times people can more easily attend rather than concelebrate at one daily Mass.  I gave several examples in my post.

Canon 905 (1983) states that a priest many only say one Mass per day, but "If there is a shortage of priests, the local ordinary can allow priests to celebrate twice a day for a just cause, or if pastoral necessity requires it, even three times on Sundays and holy days of obligation".

The older Canons (1917) I believe (from my pre-VII alter server days) said a priest could celebrate only one Mass per weekday and two on Sunday's and Holy Days.  The bishop would typically grant a dispensation if a requiem or nuptial Mass needed to be said in addition to the regular daily Mass.  As I recall, each individual priest could say three Masses on All Souls Day and at Christmas, which is why those two days each have three Mass Propers in the missal.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with Ladislaus's view of concelebrated Masses and the Mass is offered for, just that concelebrated Masses are not very common.