Author Topic: Pope Leo XIV and secret files about aliens (Read 11379 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2025, 08:51:36 PM »

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Tradman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2025, 09:17:34 AM »

Quote from: Merry on May 21, 2025, 09:36:56 PM

ARE OTHER PLANETS INHABITED?

It should be added, because of the controversy which later centered around it, that this condemnation of Pope Zachary’s was not intended to mean that he condemned the opinion that the world was round and that men might easily be living on the other side of it – as some have tried to make out – for both Pope Zachary and Saint Boniface were well acquainted with the fact that the earth was round and one of the Doctors of the Church, the Venerable Bede, had expressly taught so. But he did condemn, and we have his words for it, the teaching of the existence of a race of men – on another planet – who were not, and who could not have been, descended from Adam and who were not ransomed by Christ.

- Fr. Feeney/St. Benedict Center

Can you please show that Pope Zachary did not intend condemn the opinion that the world was round? And that men might easily be living on the other side of it? History shows there is no doubt Pope Zachary fought the Pythagorean Doctrine promoting the globe and was certainly a fan of St. Augustine who condemned the ridiculous notion of the antipodes. All the heresies spouted in the Pythagorean Doctrine were in some way condemned because they all belong to the same theory.

"Such was the main result of this long war; but there were other results not so fortunate. The efforts of Eusebius, Basil, and Lactantius to deaden scientific thought (Pythagorean Doctrine); the efforts of Augustine to combat it; the efforts of Cosmas to crush it by dogmatism; the efforts of Boniface and Zachary to crush it by force, conscientious as they all were, had resulted simply in impressing upon many leading minds the conviction that science and religion are enemies. --AD White War Between Science and Theology

The great authority of Augustine, and the cogency of his scriptural argument, held the Church firmly against the doctrine of the antipodes; all schools of interpretation were now agreed--the followers of the allegorical tendencies of Alexandria, the strictly literals exegetes of Syria, the more eclectic theologians of the West. For over a thousand years it was held in the Church, "always, everywhere, and by all," that there could not be human beings on the opposite sides of the earth, even if the earth had opposite sides --AD White War Between Science and Theology

Of course, the Church, St. Augustine and other Fathers of the Church would have been in error for 1000 years if earth were a globe because everyone on earth would be an antipode.

St. Robert Bellarmine also dismissed the existence of other worlds born of the Pythagorean Doctrine.
No other worlds, no aliens.

"Bellarmine had studied an extensive theological literature that included writings by early Christian and numerous pagan authors, including Cicero and Porphyry. 233 Still, it is during the long proceedings against Bruno that we most clearly see the link between the Catholic denial of Earth’s motion and the heretical beliefs of the Pythagoreans: the existence of other worlds, the soul of the world and the transmigration of souls.” AA Martinez, Burned Alive

We can assume St. Bellarmine wasn't fond of the idea the earth was a globe. The following argument against the globe is found in the sixth argument against Galileo which also led to the condemnation of heliocentric theory because of the firmament that held water above the earth and beneath it. This argument also condemned the notion that the earth was outside the firmament moving in a circular motion as a 'Great Orb'. So he also didn't believe the earth was a globe. No globe, no aliens.

“According to Genesis 1, there are waters in heaven above the firmament and beneath it. ‘Therefore, the Earth’s Water is not contained only in the solidity of the Earth, and consequently the natural place of the Earth is not the centre, but possibly, outside it and carried in circular motion in a ‘Great Orb.’” AA Martinez

With Bellarmine backing the Church to condemn the Pythagorean Doctrine of the globe, only two reasons are formally cited in the trial. However, even more quotes from the arguments that led to those specific condemnations show that the entire theory was heretical. Why would anyone try to resurrect globes or aliens when they belong to a condemned doctrine of pedophilia, sodomy and child sacrifice?

The cult of Pythagoras was the continuation of the demonic mystery religions he learned in Egypt: the Kabbalah. --AA Martinez, Burned Alive

These perversities of the heliocentric Pythagorean model led Pope Urban VIII to say that the false Pythagorean doctrine was "the most perverse subject matter that one could ever handle. “Because it involved pedophilia, orgies, sodomy, and ritual child sacrifice. AA Martinez, Burned Alive

cassini · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2025, 10:59:15 AM »

Quote from: Tradman on May 23, 2025, 09:17:34 AM

Can you please show that Pope Zachary did not intend condemn the opinion that the world was round? And that men might easily be living on the other side of it? History shows there is no doubt Pope Zachary fought the Pythagorean Doctrine promoting the globe and was certainly a fan of St. Augustine who condemned the ridiculous notion of the antipodes. All the heresies spouted in the Pythagorean Doctrine were in some way condemned because they all belong to the same theory.

St. Robert Bellarmine also dismissed the existence of other worlds born of the Pythagorean Doctrine.
No other worlds, no aliens.

We can assume St. Bellarmine wasn't fond of the idea the earth was a globe. The following argument against the globe is found in the sixth argument against Galileo which also led to the condemnation of heliocentric theory because of the firmament that held water above the earth and beneath it. This argument also condemned the notion that the earth was outside the firmament moving in a circular motion as a 'Great Orb'. So he also didn't believe the earth was a globe. No globe, no aliens.

With Bellarmine backing the Church to condemn the Pythagorean Doctrine of the globe, only two reasons are formally cited in the trial. However, even more quotes from the arguments that led to those specific condemnations show that the entire theory was heretical. Why would anyone try to resurrect globes or aliens when they belong to a condemned doctrine of pedophilia, sodomy and child sacrifice?

First of all the global Earth of Pythagoreanism was never condemned.
There is not a mention of it in Bruno's trial or Galileo's.

Moreover;
https://archive.org/details/mindsascenttogod00bell/page/22/mode/2up

Page 22 of this book by Bellarmine he writes of a global Earth:

‘Who can find out the height of heaven, and the breadth of the earth, and the deep?’! And its greatness may also be understood from the fact that in so many thousand years that have passed since the beginning of the world, the whole surface of the earth (and this is what the wise man calls the breadth) has not yet become known to us men, even to those who carefully explore it. And if I ask what is the size of the earth compared with the circuit of the highest heaven, astronomers answer, and not inaptly, ‘ No more than a point.’ For we see that the rays of the sun reach out to the stars at the opposite end of the firmament as though no earth existed, though indeed it lies in the midst. And if it be, as is the general opinion of learned men, that every star in the firmament is larger than the whole globe of the earth, and yet these stars appear to be very small indeed on account of the enormous distance, who can conceive the extent of the sky in which so many thousand stars are shining? If then, in regard to the surface and the depth of the earth, the wise man said, ‘ The breadth of the earth and the depth of the abyss who can measure ?’

Tradman · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2025, 12:15:25 PM »

Quote from: cassini on May 23, 2025, 10:59:15 AM

First of all the global Earth of Pythagoreanism was never condemned.
There is not a mention of it in Bruno's trial or Galileo's.

Moreover;
https://archive.org/details/mindsascenttogod00bell/page/22/mode/2up

Page 22 of this book by Bellarmine he writes of a global Earth:

‘Who can find out the height of heaven, and the breadth of the earth, and the deep?’! And its greatness may also be understood from the fact that in so many thousand years that have passed since the beginning of the world, the whole surface of the earth (and this is what the wise man calls the breadth) has not yet become known to us men, even to those who carefully explore it. And if I ask what is the size of the earth compared with the circuit of the highest heaven, astronomers answer, and not inaptly, ‘ No more than a point.’ For we see that the rays of the sun reach out to the stars at the opposite end of the firmament as though no earth existed, though indeed it lies in the midst. And if it be, as is the general opinion of learned men, that every star in the firmament is larger than the whole globe of the earth, and yet these stars appear to be very small indeed on account of the enormous distance, who can conceive the extent of the sky in which so many thousand stars are shining? If then, in regard to the surface and the depth of the earth, the wise man said, ‘ The breadth of the earth and the depth of the abyss who can measure ?’

I'm honestly wondering what proof you have that the Earth is a globe?

No one can deny that the globe belongs to the Pythagorean Doctrine which was entirely and thoroughly condemned*. Flat earth cannot be summarily dismissed when it clearly existed in the histories of all ancient peoples before the heliocentric Copernican Pythagorean doctrine even came along. You will have to prove the globe was not included in the condemnation of the Pythagorean replacement theory that was always promoted by pagans and heretics. 3 Popes condemned it and you want to preserve the contradictory globe? For what reason? The very first cosmology, dogmatically taught in Scripture says Earth has a foundation, a firmament, and water above the Earth. No globe model even pretends to account for a foundation, or a firmament, let alone water above the Earth. Why contend with Scripture? Certainly no globe model has what St. Augustine called an impassable boundary that, according to Scripture sits like a vault or dome or a tent over the Earth.  Bellarmine certainly believed it.

“According to Genesis 1, there are waters in heaven above the firmament and beneath it." From the arguments against Galileo.  AA Martinez, Burned Alive

“Furthermore, Bellarmine reasserted traditional interpretations of scriptures. So he denied the Earth’s motion. In 1611 Bellarmine quoted Psalm 103:5 from the Latin Vulgate, that God established the Earth on its foundations, it cannot be moved forever and ever’. Bellarmine commented that God put Earth in the centre of the world, and that its ‘weight rests on its eternal stability’.159 He also 136 quoted Psalm 118:8, that God ‘established the Earth and permanently’. AA Martinez, Burned Alive

Galileo's works advocating Copernicanism were therefore banned, and his sentence prohibited him from "teaching, defending… or discussing" Copernicanism. AA Martinez

If drawings and descriptions were not supplied by Scripture and every ancient civilization to include the Fathers and Saints well before the Pythagorean globe, you'd have more round ground to stand on. But there's evidence the Church was against the entire doctrine and condemned it totally. This doctrine continues to this day, a pagan paradigm held by globalists and modern science as a stranglehold over Catholics now pitted against Scripture. If the following isn't condemnation of the globe included in the Pythagorean Doctrine, you have the burden to prove it was spared.

Following the Inquisition's injunction (1616) against Galileo, the papal Master of the Sacred Palace ordered that Foscarini's Letter be banned, and Copernicus' De revolutionibus suspended until corrected. The papal Congregation of the Index preferred a stricter prohibition, and so with the Pope's approval, on March 5 the Congregation banned all books advocating the Copernican system, which it called "the false Pythagorean doctrine, altogether contrary to Holy Scripture."*[2]     --AA Martinez

As far as Bellarmine calling it the globe of the Earth, we've discussed this over and over. The entirety of Creation is globe shaped with a dome above, a pit below and the flat earth in the middle.

cassini · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2025, 01:39:48 PM »

Quote from: Tradman on May 23, 2025, 12:15:25 PM

I'm honestly wondering what proof you have that the Earth is a globe?

No one can deny that the globe belongs to the Pythagorean Doctrine which was entirely and thoroughly condemned*. Flat earth cannot be summarily dismissed when it clearly existed in the histories of all ancient peoples before the heliocentric Copernican Pythagorean doctrine even came along. You will have to prove the globe was not included in the condemnation of the Pythagorean replacement theory that was always promoted by pagans and heretics. 3 Popes condemned it and you want to preserve the contradictory globe? For what reason? The very first cosmology, dogmatically taught in Scripture says Earth has a foundation, a firmament, and water above the Earth. No globe model even pretends to account for a foundation, or a firmament, let alone water above the Earth. Why contend with Scripture? Certainly no globe model has what St. Augustine called an impassable boundary that, according to Scripture sits like a vault or dome or a tent over the Earth. Bellarmine certainly believed it.

“According to Genesis 1, there are waters in heaven above the firmament and beneath it." From the arguments against Galileo. AA Martinez, Burned Alive

“Furthermore, Bellarmine reasserted traditional interpretations of scriptures. So he denied the Earth’s motion. In 1611 Bellarmine quoted Psalm 103:5 from the Latin Vulgate, that God established the Earth on its foundations, it cannot be moved forever and ever’. Bellarmine commented that God put Earth in the centre of the world, and that its ‘weight rests on its eternal stability’.159 He also 136 quoted Psalm 118:8, that God ‘established the Earth and permanently’. AA Martinez, Burned Alive

Galileo's works advocating Copernicanism were therefore banned, and his sentence prohibited him from "teaching, defending… or discussing" Copernicanism. AA Martinez

If drawings and descriptions were not supplied by Scripture and every ancient civilization to include the Fathers and Saints well before the Pythagorean globe, you'd have more round ground to stand on. But there's evidence the Church was against the entire doctrine and condemned it totally. This doctrine continues to this day, a pagan paradigm held by globalists and modern science as a stranglehold over Catholics now pitted against Scripture. If the following isn't condemnation of the globe included in the Pythagorean Doctrine, you have the burden to prove it was spared.

Following the Inquisition's injunction (1616) against Galileo, the papal Master of the Sacred Palace ordered that Foscarini's Letter be banned, and Copernicus' De revolutionibus suspended until corrected. The papal Congregation of the Index preferred a stricter prohibition, and so with the Pope's approval, on March 5 the Congregation banned all books advocating the Copernican system, which it called "the false Pythagorean doctrine, altogether contrary to Holy Scripture."*[2] --AA Martinez

As far as Bellarmine calling it the globe of the Earth, we've discussed this over and over. The entirety of Creation is globe shaped with a dome above, a pit below and the flat earth in the middle.

Interesting. I provide evidence that you were wrong in saying Cardinal Robert Bellarmine was a flat earther.
The first sentence you reply with was 'I'm honestly wondering what proof you have that the Earth is a globe?;
I never said one word about proof that the Earth is a globe in my reply to you.

I also wrote that there was no Pythagorean heresy of a global heresy, you show us one in plain language?

I knew the word globe would be turned into a flat global earth.There is little point in arguing with FLrs as they ignore what they cannot answer and insist flat is a globe even to make Bellarmine a flat-earther.

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