Catholic Info
Traditional Catholic Faith => Fighting Errors in the Modern World => The Earth God Made - Flat Earth, Geocentrism => Topic started by: cassini on May 20, 2025, 10:48:48 AM
-
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/05/no_author/will-pope-leo-xiv-reveal-the-vaticans-secret-ufo-files/
Few Catholics today know that the belief in aliens has long been condemned by early Churchmen and again at Bruno's trial from 1593-1600. In recent books written by Professor A. A. Martinez he tells us ‘Saint Hippolytus (170-235AD) [a martyred Christian theologian], ridiculed the doctrine of infinitely many suns, moons and worlds, some inhabited.’ He then tells us: ‘around 260CE Pope Dionysius of Alexandria wrote a tract against the Epicureans mainly to criticize their theory that all things were composed of atoms without divine Providence.’ [natural evolution].
‘This text Genesis has above all a religious and theological importance. There are not to be sought in it significant elements from the point of view of science…. Indeed, the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about the creation of the visible world, as presented in Genesis.’--- L’Osservatore Romano, Feb. 3, 1986
Professor Martinez’s books show that Pope Dionysus (259-268AD) wrote a booklet directed against the theory that atoms clash and combine by chance ‘and thus gradually form this world and all objects in it; and more, that they construct infinite worlds.’ His writings also identify many Church Fathers who condemned the claim that there are many worlds like ours with intelligent life like humans. The Professor records ‘in 384CE’ Philaster, Bishop of Brescia condemned the ‘heresy that says worlds are infinite and innumerable…whereas Scripture teaches us that it is one.’ In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable. St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was innumerable worlds.’
‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem, “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son (John 3:16)]” Aristotle had insisted that many worlds cannot exist since it would require more than one First Cause.’- Prof. Martinez: Pythagoras or Christ.
-
Few Catholics today know that the belief in aliens has long been condemned by early Churchmen and again at Bruno's trial from 1593-1600.
No, it hasn't. The plurality of words (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_list&search=title:plurality) has been an open question.
And Bruno was condemned for the heresy of pantheism.
-
No, it hasn't. The plurality of words (https://isidore.co/calibre/#panel=book_list&search=title:plurality) has been an open question.
And Bruno was condemned for the heresy of pantheism.
Yes it has ... I just saw a direct quote from, I believe it was Pope St. Agatho condemning it as heretical.
EDIT: now I recall, it was cited by Fr. Ripperger in that video posted of his talk about alien deception. He quoted it very early on in the video.
https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/alien-deception/msg985573/#msg985573
-
Does anyone on CI believe in aliens? Hopefully not! :facepalm:
-
I just saw a direct quote from, I believe it was Pope St. Agatho condemning it as heretical.
St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/TP/TP003.html#TPQ3A7THEP1) (but he seems to think He hasn't).
-
St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/TP/TP003.html#TPQ3A7THEP1) (but he seems to think He hasn't).
Well, aliens aren't human, so your argument is defeated.
-
aliens aren't human, so your argument is defeated.
Were the nephalim not intelligent? Who knows.
-
My main problem with those who hold the theory of intelligent alien lifeforms is that, being intelligent, they would be capable of sin, and being the subjects of sin, they would be in need of the Blood of the Redeemer. Essentially, maintaining these extra-terrestrial beings to exist is essentially affirming that there are intelligent beings (not angels) who are not corrupted by sin and potentially not in need of redemption. This is heretical on the face of it.
-
St. Thomas said the Second Person of the Trinity could assume more than one type of human (i.e., intelligent embodied) nature (https://isidore.co/aquinas/summa/TP/TP003.html#TPQ3A7THEP1) (but he seems to think He hasn't).
That's nice, but that's his purely speculative opinion akin to the angels on the head of a pin ... and anything he speculated is trumped by any papal teaching.
-
That's nice, but that's his purely speculative opinion akin to the angels on the head of a pin ... and anything he speculated is trumped by any papal teaching.
Like the Immaculate Conception.
-
ARE OTHER PLANETS INHABITED?
Saint Boniface (the Apostle of Germany), never failed to keep in close touch with Pope Zachary, and each was to the other a reserve of strength and inspiration. There is among their correspondence a docuмent of especial interest to us in the light of all the conjecture there has been over the past few years on the possibility of “inhabited planets” other than our own.
Saint Boniface complained to the Pope that an Irish priest named Virgilius was disturbing men’s minds by teaching “that there was another world, other men on another planet beneath the earth, another sun, and another moon.”
“If it is well proved that Virgilius has spoken thus,” Saint Zachary wrote, “you must convene a council and expel him from the Church. We are addressing to this same Virgilius letters of evocation, so that he may be minutely questioned in our presence and, if found guilty of holding false doctrine, he may be sentenced to canonical punishment.”
It transpired that in the end it was not necessary for Saint Zachary to condemn Virgilius, for the priest completely yielded to the correction and counsel of his Holy Father and went on, in the light of pure and chaste theology, to sanctify himself. He became bishop of Salzburg, and, glorious to relate, lived a life of such holiness and heroism that he was canonized by Pope Gregory IX.
But Pope Saint Zachary did denounce in this connection, “certain heretics who maintained the existence of a race of men not descended from Adam and not ransomed by Christ.”
It should be added, because of the controversy which later centered around it, that this condemnation of Pope Zachary’s was not intended to mean that he condemned the opinion that the world was round and that men might easily be living on the other side of it – as some have tried to make out – for both Pope Zachary and Saint Boniface were well acquainted with the fact that the earth was round and one of the Doctors of the Church, the Venerable Bede, had expressly taught so. But he did condemn, and we have his words for it, the teaching of the existence of a race of men – on another planet – who were not, and who could not have been, descended from Adam and who were not ransomed by Christ.
- Fr. Feeney/St. Benedict Center