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Offline St Giles

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2023, 08:37:50 PM »
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  • It's always possible I don't understand the results, but with others who produce the same results, the onus is on NASA and they aren't ever going to fess up if they're lying.  Now what?  Pretend I didn't see what I've seen? 
    Does NASA use p900's? They don't play with toys, well... not when they are doing real scientific research.

    No offence. I have a Sony WX-220 I think highly of, and it is perhaps more of a "toy" than your p900. My 220 can do things a huge Canon 5D can't. Everything has a purpose, the p900's is not for astronomical research.
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #76 on: July 17, 2023, 08:45:00 PM »
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  • Just wondering...do you think man went to the moon?
    I don't know. I would not be surprised if they both did, and made fakes of it. I will say that I think a manned mission has a better chance of success than an autonomous one, because the operators/problem solvers are so much closer to the situation at hand, yet they can supposedly easily land robots on mars, but not on the moon, so who knows. It really doesn't matter what I think. 

    I can think I have more than sufficient evidence to prove something and still be wrong. I hope you remember that that is true for any human being who is not inspired by the Holy Ghost.
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #77 on: July 17, 2023, 09:02:53 PM »
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  • The only way what you are seeing can be replicated is basically if the instrument is misused; i.e., it is purposely thrown out of focus or "de-focused". Would you call a family portrait picture that is grossly out of focus so everyone looks like blobs of color a good representation of the subject (or an instrument being used properly)? The fact that I can replicate your results by purposefully "misusing" an instrument actually is a warning that the bloated and boiling star images are NOT accurate representations of their true structure. You're basically just looking at the peculiarities of your own optics.
    I disagree. It could be the best that camera can do. Over magnification is a real thing, I think it's caused by too shallow of a depth of field in combination with other things, but I'm not sure that is the case. 

    The P900 has manual focus, so first of all Tradman needs to try adjusting that. It could be that the focus adjustment resolution is not fine enough or is not capable of near infinite focusing distances. In my link on huge super zoom lenses, one of them could only focus as far as 30ish miles. I'm not sure why, but maybe the p900 can only focus as far as the moon or sun at full zoom.

    As far as zoom goes, I have often thought that you could plot the focus adjustment of a telescope on a graph (knob turn distance vs optical focus distance) and be able to determine the curve, and use that to determine really how far the moon and sun are based on where the focus knob is adjusted to. Of course either a sun filter will be needed, or an indirect way of viewing it such as projecting the image onto a sheet of paper shaded in a box.
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #78 on: July 17, 2023, 09:16:37 PM »
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  • I'd agree that there is a lot more work to do to understand what we see in the night sky. However, this tangent on equipment has nothing to do with people or opinions; it is a simple fact of optics that anyone can see given that they have access to a high-quality telescope that is used and maintained properly.

    The question of (1) whether stars are different from what NASA says they are and (2) whether they look like "points" (or have a symmetrical airy disc structure instead of the bloated irregular mass in that video: https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-star-test-a-telescope/) are in fact two different and independent questions. If the only person you can trust is yourself, as St. Giles said, then you need to get several telescopes, cameras, etc. to demonstrate on your own that those bloated "boiling" irregular masses aren't just due to equipment problems. You need to establish if the camera can really focus on stars, and if so where the exact focus point is. As St. Giles said, you need to demonstrate that those bloated shapes aren't due to other variables such as the camera sensor, ISO values, over-magnification etc. Once again, cameras are really not good by themselves to study the night sky; there's too much electronics and technology in general that affects the images and over-processes them. And the aperture is execrable compared to a telescope. Your best bet is to look at stars with a telescope or photograph stars through the telescope with the camera. If you have an amateur astronomy club near you, see if you can rent/borrow some of their telescopes or go to one of their meetings. Regardless of agreement or non-agreement with their specific cosmology beliefs, that will give you access to better equipment to use to explore this if you want.


    This has nothing to do with preconceived cosmology ideas on my end; I'm open to listening to various interpretations of what stars are, what they are made of, how big they are, how far away etc. However, independent of all of those bloated star videos (as well as mainstream scientists), I have myself seen stars resolve to points of light or organized airy discs in good telescopes. And that is pretty much what anyone else with experience involving telescopes, amateur or professional, will tell you. With regard to my replication of the bloated stars, re-read the text below from my previous post you are referencing:

    The only way what you are seeing can be replicated is basically if the instrument is misused; i.e., it is purposely thrown out of focus or "de-focused". Would you call a family portrait picture that is grossly out of focus so everyone looks like blobs of color a good representation of the subject (or an instrument being used properly)? The fact that I can replicate your results by purposefully "misusing" an instrument actually is a warning that the bloated and boiling star images are NOT accurate representations of their true structure. You're basically just looking at the peculiarities of your own optics.

    At any rate, good luck with your experiments.

    My camera was not misused.  I'm not retarded, I do know how to use it.  While taking photos and video you're saying everyone's cameras magically picked up the same things that anyone who isn't NASA got? Sorry, at some point you have to question the narrative and not the whistle blowers.  You'd have to prove we all misused our cameras to come up with such an insupportable conclusion, but that would be remiss because there are dozens and dozens of verifiable proofs that NASA is not just misusing, but actually abusing the ability of their instruments to falsify findings, systematically hiding the truth of God's creation with go-pro trickery, cgi, renderings, fake moon landings and green screens to paint false pictures of our world.  Yes, we can prove it.     
      

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #79 on: July 17, 2023, 09:56:09 PM »
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  • Does NASA use p900's? They don't play with toys, well... not when they are doing real scientific research.

    No offence. I have a Sony WX-220 I think highly of, and it is perhaps more of a "toy" than your p900. My 220 can do things a huge Canon 5D can't. Everything has a purpose, the p900's is not for astronomical research.
    NASA has the goods, just like all government entities do, but they abuse it in order to mislead the public and those of us unafraid to look at the evidence have plenty of proof. 


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #80 on: July 18, 2023, 02:24:58 AM »
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  • What you've been calling "boiling" stars is just how a light in water looks. Just like the Bible describes. What a coincidence.

    I saw a better video but this will do:

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #81 on: July 18, 2023, 05:04:26 AM »
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  • My camera was not misused.  I'm not retarded, I do know how to use it.  While taking photos and video you're saying everyone's cameras magically picked up the same things that anyone who isn't NASA got? Sorry, at some point you have to question the narrative and not the whistle blowers.  You'd have to prove we all misused our cameras to come up with such an insupportable conclusion, but that would be remiss because there are dozens and dozens of verifiable proofs that NASA is not just misusing, but actually abusing the ability of their instruments to falsify findings, systematically hiding the truth of God's creation with go-pro trickery, cgi, renderings, fake moon landings and green screens to paint false pictures of our world.  Yes, we can prove it.   


    There are lots of ways to "misuse" a camera that fall outside knowledge of its user manual. You could know all the functions and controls, but if you use it for an application it was not designed for, it will give you incorrect results. And yes, that could be done consistently, especially if features like autofocus are left on for the cameras.

    A question- you mentioned earlier that you saw a fraction of the "boiling" of the stars  in your friend's 10" telescope than in your much smaller camera. Once again this is odd, as if the stars really were those irregular boiling shapes, you would actually expect the opposite (more in the big telescope, less in the little camera lens)  Why do you think that was the case?

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #82 on: July 18, 2023, 07:44:24 AM »
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  • There are lots of ways to "misuse" a camera that fall outside knowledge of its user manual. You could know all the functions and controls, but if you use it for an application it was not designed for, it will give you incorrect results. And yes, that could be done consistently, especially if features like autofocus are left on for the cameras.

    A question- you mentioned earlier that you saw a fraction of the "boiling" of the stars  in your friend's 10" telescope than in your much smaller camera. Once again this is odd, as if the stars really were those irregular boiling shapes, you would actually expect the opposite (more in the big telescope, less in the little camera lens)  Why do you think that was the case?

    There is no doubt my camera worked beautifully for the job it did, it's an incredible piece of equipment. However, to get the camera steady with the zoom fully extended takes diligence and practice.  The camera is a lot smaller than the telescope which was firmly planted and capable of showing a wider swathe of sky with more stars. Keeping the camera on one star for very long is difficult because the lens is so much smaller and the stars move pretty fast, in seconds actually.  The camera constantly needed to be adjusted because when viewing a single star, being closer up and more detailed, they move along pretty quickly and it would move out of view. There is equipment for following stars for longer periods of time, but I don't have it. The telescope also functions differently internally, it's type and size of mirrors, the way it processes light, etc. and while it had a wider field of view, and believe me, the results were amazing, the closeups were not as detailed. The telescope was nice because we weren't forced to continually reset it in order to chase a star, but the detail with the camera capturing individual stars so obviously clearer and better, it was a treat. They each had their own pluses and minuses.  Neither one was purposely or mistakenly misused. Having gotten the same results as so many others have obtained with their P900, and having done it many times, I'm confident in the results.  I've seen the videos that claim the stars are out of focus unless you set the camera a certain way, but I've tried what they recommend along with other settings, and it's just not true.       


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #83 on: July 18, 2023, 05:38:47 PM »
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  • Instead of getting bogged down in the details, step back and look at the big picture. Look into the occult/ Fremmasonic roots of NASA.
    Look into the faked Big Blue Marble.
    Look into the astronauts who were murdered.
    Look into Stanley Kubrik.
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #84 on: July 20, 2023, 03:39:55 PM »
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  • There are several things that this model of flat earth does not address and that anyone that has had the opportunity of living at different latitudes has experienced. One of them is the path the sun follows at sunrise, noon and sunset on a given day. For people who live along the equator (e.g., in Quito) the sun follows a vertical path, up from sunrise to noon and down to sunset, and they always get 12 hrs. of daylight (+/- few minutes) every day of the year regardless of the season. North of the equator, during spring and summer, if you stand outside your house facing exactly to the East, the sun appears to rise from your left side, at noon it will be slightly on your right side and back to your left at sunset (not a vertical but inclined path). The farther north you go, the sun rises more to your left and experience longer daylight time (e.g., Houston vs Anchorage). However, regions north of the Tropic of Cancer never experience the sun at their zenith (vertically on top of your head). In cities north of Anchorage, like Fairbanks, on June 21st the sun follows a path that circles the horizon.
    At the Equinoxes, anyone in the world experiences the sun rising exactly at the East and setting at the West, but only cities along the Equator experience the sun at their zenith. Autumm and winter, again, north of the Equator, the sun always rises on your right side if you face exactly to the East. The northern you go, the more to the right side.
    If you have never experienced this, it will take some time to digest. This phenomenon can only be explained if the surface of the earth is curved at least from a North-Southwise direction. The sketches I attached can give you a better idea. You can compare observations between cities in the US like Seattle, Chicago or New York vs LA, Houston or Miami if you have family or friends. Very few people in past centuries had the chance to travel as much as we can these days and experience these phenomeonos themselves.

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #85 on: July 20, 2023, 05:09:59 PM »
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  • There are several things that this model of flat earth does not address and that anyone that has had the opportunity of living at different latitudes has experienced. One of them is the path the sun follows at sunrise, noon and sunset on a given day. For people who live along the equator (e.g., in Quito) the sun follows a vertical path, up from sunrise to noon and down to sunset, and they always get 12 hrs. of daylight (+/- few minutes) every day of the year regardless of the season. North of the equator, during spring and summer, if you stand outside your house facing exactly to the East, the sun appears to rise from your left side, at noon it will be slightly on your right side and back to your left at sunset (not a vertical but inclined path). The farther north you go, the sun rises more to your left and experience longer daylight time (e.g., Houston vs Anchorage). However, regions north of the Tropic of Cancer never experience the sun at their zenith (vertically on top of your head). In cities north of Anchorage, like Fairbanks, on June 21st the sun follows a path that circles the horizon.
    At the Equinoxes, anyone in the world experiences the sun rising exactly at the East and setting at the West, but only cities along the Equator experience the sun at their zenith. Autumm and winter, again, north of the Equator, the sun always rises on your right side if you face exactly to the East. The northern you go, the more to the right side.
    If you have never experienced this, it will take some time to digest. This phenomenon can only be explained if the surface of the earth is curved at least from a North-Southwise direction. The sketches I attached can give you a better idea. You can compare observations between cities in the US like Seattle, Chicago or New York vs LA, Houston or Miami if you have family or friends. Very few people in past centuries had the chance to travel as much as we can these days and experience these phenomeonos themselves.

    The sun's behavior could be explained with Enoch's version of the 6 entries and exits in the firmament which does not depend much on the shape of the earth. Also, curvature commensurate with a 24,901 circuмference ball has never been proven or demonstrated.  NASA et. al. will point to boats, cgi graphics and rockets with go pros but never deal with the measurement of the land because the land doesn't curve one mile for the first 90 miles distance, the result needed for earth to be a globe. Salt flats perfectly level for 5,000 square miles kind of put a hole in the curvature fairy tale as well.   


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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #86 on: July 20, 2023, 05:45:08 PM »
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  • I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.
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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #87 on: July 20, 2023, 05:55:04 PM »
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  • I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.

    Uhm, the same reason the temperature would drop on a globe, the decrease in air pressure, and less sun reflecting off the surface, etc.  What, do you imagine that the FE models holds that the sun is 20,000 feet above the surface?  Relatively small increase in proximity to the sun doesn't suffice to cancel out the cooling due to lower air pressure and other factors.  When the atmosphere is thinner, there's less matter for the sun's raise to excite and therefore convert into heat (heat is caused by vibrating molecules).

    See, the Glober attitude is that they've already decided that the earth is a globe/ball and so they just keep slinging enough manure at the wall with the hope that some of it will stick.

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #88 on: July 20, 2023, 06:01:45 PM »
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  • I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.

    The air is much thinner as you ascend.  So much so, not only is it colder, breathing is difficult to impossible at great heights even on mountains which remain in our atmosphere. Airplane travel is easier and faster due to less resistance just above the mountains. What's funny is that globe proponents pretend that the vacuum of space sits just outside the pressurized area of oxygen. Vacuums don't exist without containment or we'd all be sucked up into the vacuum.  Pretending to send rockets up into "space" is joke because engines need oxygen for combustion and a few hundred miles up, there is no oxygen.       

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    Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
    « Reply #89 on: July 20, 2023, 06:02:25 PM »
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  • Uhm, the same reason the temperature would drop on a globe, the decrease in air pressure, and less sun reflecting off the surface, etc.  What, do you imagine that the FE models holds that the sun is 20,000 feet above the surface?  Relatively small increase in proximity to the sun doesn't suffice to cancel out the cooling due to lower air pressure and other factors.  When the atmosphere is thinner, there's less matter for the sun's raise to excite and therefore convert into heat (heat is caused by vibrating molecules).

    See, the Glober attitude is that they've already decided that the earth is a globe/ball and so they just keep slinging enough manure at the wall with the hope that some of it will stick.

    But if you assume we are in a “snow globe” FE, warm air rises and thus it should be warmer at the top of the dome, No? Also, what is the assumption you make for the distance the surface of the Earth is to the Sun?
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