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Offline Tradman

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #85 on: July 20, 2023, 05:09:59 PM »
There are several things that this model of flat earth does not address and that anyone that has had the opportunity of living at different latitudes has experienced. One of them is the path the sun follows at sunrise, noon and sunset on a given day. For people who live along the equator (e.g., in Quito) the sun follows a vertical path, up from sunrise to noon and down to sunset, and they always get 12 hrs. of daylight (+/- few minutes) every day of the year regardless of the season. North of the equator, during spring and summer, if you stand outside your house facing exactly to the East, the sun appears to rise from your left side, at noon it will be slightly on your right side and back to your left at sunset (not a vertical but inclined path). The farther north you go, the sun rises more to your left and experience longer daylight time (e.g., Houston vs Anchorage). However, regions north of the Tropic of Cancer never experience the sun at their zenith (vertically on top of your head). In cities north of Anchorage, like Fairbanks, on June 21st the sun follows a path that circles the horizon.
At the Equinoxes, anyone in the world experiences the sun rising exactly at the East and setting at the West, but only cities along the Equator experience the sun at their zenith. Autumm and winter, again, north of the Equator, the sun always rises on your right side if you face exactly to the East. The northern you go, the more to the right side.
If you have never experienced this, it will take some time to digest. This phenomenon can only be explained if the surface of the earth is curved at least from a North-Southwise direction. The sketches I attached can give you a better idea. You can compare observations between cities in the US like Seattle, Chicago or New York vs LA, Houston or Miami if you have family or friends. Very few people in past centuries had the chance to travel as much as we can these days and experience these phenomeonos themselves.

The sun's behavior could be explained with Enoch's version of the 6 entries and exits in the firmament which does not depend much on the shape of the earth. Also, curvature commensurate with a 24,901 circuмference ball has never been proven or demonstrated.  NASA et. al. will point to boats, cgi graphics and rockets with go pros but never deal with the measurement of the land because the land doesn't curve one mile for the first 90 miles distance, the result needed for earth to be a globe. Salt flats perfectly level for 5,000 square miles kind of put a hole in the curvature fairy tale as well.   

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2023, 05:45:08 PM »
I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2023, 05:55:04 PM »
I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.

Uhm, the same reason the temperature would drop on a globe, the decrease in air pressure, and less sun reflecting off the surface, etc.  What, do you imagine that the FE models holds that the sun is 20,000 feet above the surface?  Relatively small increase in proximity to the sun doesn't suffice to cancel out the cooling due to lower air pressure and other factors.  When the atmosphere is thinner, there's less matter for the sun's raise to excite and therefore convert into heat (heat is caused by vibrating molecules).

See, the Glober attitude is that they've already decided that the earth is a globe/ball and so they just keep slinging enough manure at the wall with the hope that some of it will stick.

Offline Tradman

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2023, 06:01:45 PM »
I don’t know if this has been addressed before, but can a FE adherent explain why when you climb a mountain the temperature drops drastically? It would stand to reason that if the Sun is much closer to the Earth in the FE theory as opposed to the GE theory, the temperature would rise as you got closer to the Sun.

The air is much thinner as you ascend.  So much so, not only is it colder, breathing is difficult to impossible at great heights even on mountains which remain in our atmosphere. Airplane travel is easier and faster due to less resistance just above the mountains. What's funny is that globe proponents pretend that the vacuum of space sits just outside the pressurized area of oxygen. Vacuums don't exist without containment or we'd all be sucked up into the vacuum.  Pretending to send rockets up into "space" is joke because engines need oxygen for combustion and a few hundred miles up, there is no oxygen.       

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2023, 06:02:25 PM »
Uhm, the same reason the temperature would drop on a globe, the decrease in air pressure, and less sun reflecting off the surface, etc.  What, do you imagine that the FE models holds that the sun is 20,000 feet above the surface?  Relatively small increase in proximity to the sun doesn't suffice to cancel out the cooling due to lower air pressure and other factors.  When the atmosphere is thinner, there's less matter for the sun's raise to excite and therefore convert into heat (heat is caused by vibrating molecules).

See, the Glober attitude is that they've already decided that the earth is a globe/ball and so they just keep slinging enough manure at the wall with the hope that some of it will stick.

But if you assume we are in a “snow globe” FE, warm air rises and thus it should be warmer at the top of the dome, No? Also, what is the assumption you make for the distance the surface of the Earth is to the Sun?