Author Topic: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth (Read 23214 times)

St Giles · « **Reply #65 on:** July 17, 2023, 05:23:24 PM »

Quote from: Tradman on July 17, 2023, 09:34:37 AM

Have you done this experiment? You assume stars are millions of miles away because NASA tells you that. Not only is their massive lie proven wrong by videos like this, many other people have discovered the same thing and shared it everywhere. I've seen many of these by various individuals before they were taken down by Youtube and other gatekeepers. Stars are not worlds, they are lights. And they are not too far away to video. Stars are relatively small lights just above us in the firmament. I've personally taken videos like this with my P900 and posted them. Ignoring or denying the results of honest experiments to see if NASA is telling the truth and even that prove NASA is lying, isn't going to help anyone.

Is it even possible that you just might not understand the results of your experiment? A good scientist who seeks the truth will try his experiment to prove that it means what he thinks it means. Ideally, you would try taking videos with different cameras with the same zoom capability. Also you would determine a way to check the accuracy of the focus of each camera, because they do often make mistakes, even big mistakes when it comes to focus. Also, you would rule out the causes of any similarities and differences in the way the star looks. Which lens has the dirt that causes certain phenomenon, or is it on the sensor? Is the image really what the camera sees, or is the sensor data processor causing significant alterations to make the best of poor quality optics and high ISO all while keeping the file size small?

Also, I have had my YT account deleted by YT, and they have deleted several other's over the years for apparently no reason. It must have been some robot they used to clean and regulate the system, and it must have had false triggers for termination. My content was nothing bad, the same with many others, nothing controversial. Maybe it was because YT wanted ads on everyone's videos, but many people resisted.

Tradman · « **Reply #66 on:** July 17, 2023, 05:29:31 PM »

Quote from: St Giles on July 17, 2023, 05:00:12 PM

If you went through the math and considered variables such as the size of stars, their claimed distance, atmospheric distortion, and the tolerances of telescopes and cameras, you will find both the explanation to what you see, and you will realise how extremely difficult it would be to get a clear image of a star from earth's surface.

That camera and telescope are like little toys compared to what's needed. There's even problems with getting precise focus as changes in temperature change the size of the parts. Just try to look at a distant hill with a telescope, and you will see much distortion through all that air. Actually, poor quality images are often seen in daytime p900 videos at max zoom. Depending on how good your eyes are you can learn to pick up on small details until you clearly see how cameras like the p900 are far inferior in image quality compared to a pro grade camera. I used to think highly of a little camera of mine of the same quality as the p900, but without the high zoom, until I started using a Canon 6D.

The main problem with image quality comes from pixel size on the sensor, and ISO sensitivity. What was the ISO number when you take videos like that? If it says ISO AUTO you need to at least try to find what aperture number and shutter speed number were used, then manually set the ISO until the video looks the same. Then, tell me the ISO number. If it is any higher than 400 on that camera, the quality will be bad, and even 400 looks bad in general. 100 looks good, but is still a several times worse clarity than a Canon 6D at 100.

Who are you to say what the limit is for how far light can travel? No offence, but you're almost acting like an atheist as in, the facts, math, and experiments exist to give you plenty of reason to believe stars are extremely far away and practically impossible to visually resolve from earth, but you don't want to believe like so many flat earthers. Like the Catholic faith has plenty going for it to be believed, but so many choose not to. I find it best to walk away and mull over things for a week as I can stubbornly be so attached to my reasoning that I can't see my error.

I do understand some of you're concern, because I sometimes see a star that flashes different colors and hadn't found any good explanation at the time. I haven't looked into it since, but why that star? I could come up with some hypotheses.

I just don't have confidence in NASA's claims to the size of stars, nor their inaccurately pictured appearance as hard or gas bodies. They appear electromagnetic in their behavior.

If the camera and telescope we used were little toys, if the stars were millions of miles away, how were we able to view the stars at all? I don't pretend my camera has capabilities it doesn't. Not even NASA can see things millions of miles away with their equipment, but then, that's our contention here. I don't trust NASA and find they lie a lot. From what I can tell, stars are probably less than 5000 miles away, since even that would be a stretch for my camera across a plane or body of water. I've seen the videos that claim our P900cameras are out of focus and how to set the ISO for a worse picture clarity. No doubt the producers of those videos work for NASA.

While you're looking, take some time to search out and check other videos of other named stars and their variable shapes and colors. Sirius is clearly the most colorful and eye-catching, but there are others. What is most fascinating is that they are obviously not orbs or bodies, since we can see through different areas, even the center at times, but obviously lights of some sort.

St Giles · « **Reply #67 on:** July 17, 2023, 05:55:55 PM »

An interesting tangent: the size of lenses required to have the same zoom capability as the p900, but on large sensor cameras like the 6D https://pixelpluck.com/battle-of-biggest-zoom-lenses-ever/

I'm not saying that NASA is right, but there is too much evidence in favor of the possibility that NASA is right, not their artistically enhanced images, but real observations that is easily backed by math that at least shows what they say is possible, if not certainly true.

How small is light? If even 1 photon makes it to your camera all night long, that photon had to come from somewhere. How do you rule out it didn't come from a star (assuming we are trying to image stars at night)? Consider how big NASA says the sun is. If stars are that big, and considering how small photons are and how bright the sun is, that is an enormous number of photons released per millisecond of which we only need a grain of sand worth to see. it is very easy for those few rare photons that just happened to be aimed right at earth to reach us in enough quantity to see. It is also not hard to understand how very distant galaxies can be visible when a camera is left to collect light from them over several days at high sensitivity. with a billion stars the size of the sun or larger in one galaxy, as big and spread out as NASA says galaxies are, surely enough photons perfectly aimed at earth will accuмulate over several days to make the image of a faint little galaxy.

Just don't rule it out. You don't have to trust NASA, but I don't see enough evidence to rule it out. If you poke a stick into water, it looks bent, so it is bent right? Wrong.

alaric · « **Reply #68 on:** July 17, 2023, 05:56:41 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 15, 2023, 08:28:22 AM

I would have taking this as an honest question ... until your last sentence. This is really one of the simplest things to address. Whether you're on a globe or on a flat circle, in both cases you're simply going in a circle when you go around the earth. Do you imagine the FE model is the Mercator Projection where it just suddenly stops on either side. Perhaps if you'd educate yourself a bit first you'd be in more of a position to summarily reject "this FE stuff".

I'm not sure how else you would describe " flat Earth"?

And what do you mean by " flat circle?

Do you believe the world is round or not? You think it's a pancake or something?

No need to get emotional. Just asked a question.

and I don't have time to go through 5 pages of this insanity.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #69 on:** July 17, 2023, 05:57:53 PM »

NASA claims we can see a star that's 28 BILLION LIGHT YEARS away, and others that are millions of light years away. That's just plain ridiculous.

1) due to the inverse-square rule of light, the light couldn't even be visible this far away regardless of the optics we have

2) due to the incredible distances involved, even the most massive object would have such low angular resolution as to no longer be visible

3) there would be so many objects between us and these stars that certainly something would be between us and those starts and they would not have an unobstructed view for millions and even billions of light years

4) Olbers' paradox indicates that if all these stars were visible for millions and billions of light years, our entire night sky would be lit up by them, as there would be no blackness there at all

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