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Offline St Giles

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2023, 08:37:50 PM »
It's always possible I don't understand the results, but with others who produce the same results, the onus is on NASA and they aren't ever going to fess up if they're lying.  Now what?  Pretend I didn't see what I've seen? 
Does NASA use p900's? They don't play with toys, well... not when they are doing real scientific research.

No offence. I have a Sony WX-220 I think highly of, and it is perhaps more of a "toy" than your p900. My 220 can do things a huge Canon 5D can't. Everything has a purpose, the p900's is not for astronomical research.

Offline St Giles

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2023, 08:45:00 PM »
Just wondering...do you think man went to the moon?
I don't know. I would not be surprised if they both did, and made fakes of it. I will say that I think a manned mission has a better chance of success than an autonomous one, because the operators/problem solvers are so much closer to the situation at hand, yet they can supposedly easily land robots on mars, but not on the moon, so who knows. It really doesn't matter what I think. 

I can think I have more than sufficient evidence to prove something and still be wrong. I hope you remember that that is true for any human being who is not inspired by the Holy Ghost.


Offline St Giles

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2023, 09:02:53 PM »
The only way what you are seeing can be replicated is basically if the instrument is misused; i.e., it is purposely thrown out of focus or "de-focused". Would you call a family portrait picture that is grossly out of focus so everyone looks like blobs of color a good representation of the subject (or an instrument being used properly)? The fact that I can replicate your results by purposefully "misusing" an instrument actually is a warning that the bloated and boiling star images are NOT accurate representations of their true structure. You're basically just looking at the peculiarities of your own optics.
I disagree. It could be the best that camera can do. Over magnification is a real thing, I think it's caused by too shallow of a depth of field in combination with other things, but I'm not sure that is the case. 

The P900 has manual focus, so first of all Tradman needs to try adjusting that. It could be that the focus adjustment resolution is not fine enough or is not capable of near infinite focusing distances. In my link on huge super zoom lenses, one of them could only focus as far as 30ish miles. I'm not sure why, but maybe the p900 can only focus as far as the moon or sun at full zoom.

As far as zoom goes, I have often thought that you could plot the focus adjustment of a telescope on a graph (knob turn distance vs optical focus distance) and be able to determine the curve, and use that to determine really how far the moon and sun are based on where the focus knob is adjusted to. Of course either a sun filter will be needed, or an indirect way of viewing it such as projecting the image onto a sheet of paper shaded in a box.

Offline Tradman

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2023, 09:16:37 PM »
I'd agree that there is a lot more work to do to understand what we see in the night sky. However, this tangent on equipment has nothing to do with people or opinions; it is a simple fact of optics that anyone can see given that they have access to a high-quality telescope that is used and maintained properly.

The question of (1) whether stars are different from what NASA says they are and (2) whether they look like "points" (or have a symmetrical airy disc structure instead of the bloated irregular mass in that video: https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/advice/how-to-star-test-a-telescope/) are in fact two different and independent questions. If the only person you can trust is yourself, as St. Giles said, then you need to get several telescopes, cameras, etc. to demonstrate on your own that those bloated "boiling" irregular masses aren't just due to equipment problems. You need to establish if the camera can really focus on stars, and if so where the exact focus point is. As St. Giles said, you need to demonstrate that those bloated shapes aren't due to other variables such as the camera sensor, ISO values, over-magnification etc. Once again, cameras are really not good by themselves to study the night sky; there's too much electronics and technology in general that affects the images and over-processes them. And the aperture is execrable compared to a telescope. Your best bet is to look at stars with a telescope or photograph stars through the telescope with the camera. If you have an amateur astronomy club near you, see if you can rent/borrow some of their telescopes or go to one of their meetings. Regardless of agreement or non-agreement with their specific cosmology beliefs, that will give you access to better equipment to use to explore this if you want.


This has nothing to do with preconceived cosmology ideas on my end; I'm open to listening to various interpretations of what stars are, what they are made of, how big they are, how far away etc. However, independent of all of those bloated star videos (as well as mainstream scientists), I have myself seen stars resolve to points of light or organized airy discs in good telescopes. And that is pretty much what anyone else with experience involving telescopes, amateur or professional, will tell you. With regard to my replication of the bloated stars, re-read the text below from my previous post you are referencing:

The only way what you are seeing can be replicated is basically if the instrument is misused; i.e., it is purposely thrown out of focus or "de-focused". Would you call a family portrait picture that is grossly out of focus so everyone looks like blobs of color a good representation of the subject (or an instrument being used properly)? The fact that I can replicate your results by purposefully "misusing" an instrument actually is a warning that the bloated and boiling star images are NOT accurate representations of their true structure. You're basically just looking at the peculiarities of your own optics.

At any rate, good luck with your experiments.

My camera was not misused.  I'm not retarded, I do know how to use it.  While taking photos and video you're saying everyone's cameras magically picked up the same things that anyone who isn't NASA got? Sorry, at some point you have to question the narrative and not the whistle blowers.  You'd have to prove we all misused our cameras to come up with such an insupportable conclusion, but that would be remiss because there are dozens and dozens of verifiable proofs that NASA is not just misusing, but actually abusing the ability of their instruments to falsify findings, systematically hiding the truth of God's creation with go-pro trickery, cgi, renderings, fake moon landings and green screens to paint false pictures of our world.  Yes, we can prove it.     
  

Offline Tradman

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Re: How Sunrise and Sunset Work on Flat Earth
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2023, 09:56:09 PM »
Does NASA use p900's? They don't play with toys, well... not when they are doing real scientific research.

No offence. I have a Sony WX-220 I think highly of, and it is perhaps more of a "toy" than your p900. My 220 can do things a huge Canon 5D can't. Everything has a purpose, the p900's is not for astronomical research.
NASA has the goods, just like all government entities do, but they abuse it in order to mislead the public and those of us unafraid to look at the evidence have plenty of proof.