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Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« on: June 19, 2024, 12:32:23 AM »
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  • I know some of you like to see these (including me on occasion) and I don't think this one has been linked or discussed here.  Here's a link to a FE Debate between these two.


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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #1 on: June 19, 2024, 12:47:31 AM »
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  • A classic example of a proud, malicious "anti-Flat Earth" character using derision, logical fallacies, and lies to try to "beat" a man who is simply speaking the truth and inviting all viewers to look into it for themselves.

    The "flat earth" movement is not a replacement cult for the Globe cult science-religion. Only the FE side invites all and sundry to DON'T BELIEVE ME, PLEASE INVESTIGATE FOR YOURSELVES. Does the science-religion (scientism, etc.) ever do this? Never. They always say "believe our priesthood, I mean the experts!"

    Of course, it should be noted that FE is unique in that ALL so-called "FE proponents" once believed in the Globe. Can you say that about any other debate? Catholic vs. Protestant? Conservative vs. Liberal? No, you can't. There are plenty of life-long conservatives born to conservative parents. There are plenty of Catholics who were born to families who have been Catholic for generations. And so on.

    But *everyone* was taught the world is a globe in school. Even if you were private or homeschooled, you still got the programming.

    So it creates an interesting dynamic. Many (most?) "flat earthers" know the Globe model better the globe-believers. They've actually studied it. They've read books. They've looked into it. They've done the research -- that's why they're flat earth now...

    But long story short, the truth is with Witsit and his "side", so it's easier to be a good guy on that side. You don't have to resort to malice, logical fallacies, or lies when the truth is on your side. It's easier to stay calm and charitable. But it's very hard to be good willed while opposing the truth. Something's gotta give: either you embrace the truth eventually, or you stop being of good will (and embrace malice).
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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #2 on: June 19, 2024, 01:00:53 AM »
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  • By the way, about Witsit himself --

    I recommend his videos on Flat Earth. He's very smart for his age (about 32). He clearly has a high IQ and has done a lot of research. Furthermore, he has a skill at debating and he's willing to bring public attention to Flat Earth. That doesn't mean he's perfect however.

    He fell for the "Jesuits/Catholic Church is the bad guy" BS.  Long story short, much of what WE would ascribe to the Jews, the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, he would ascribe to "Jesuits" and "the Catholic Church". He has some vague belief in a Creator, but he's not even a straight up Christian (protestant). He thinks there's something to Scripture, but he doesn't believe "what most Christians believe" about Jesus.

    And although he understands a lot of the high-end topics better than me, I would have him beat on things like history, religion, Latin, English language (etymology, pronouncing "big words", etc.) So as I listen to his podcasts, I vacillate between "wow, he's got me beat" and "man, I need to help him out!" A final criticism is that he's a bit of a wigger. He likes hip hop and is able to freestyle rap (which is an impressive skill, but not my cup of tea). He's also a product of one of the younger generations, and he identifies as very "cool" so he uses all the modern slang. But most of these criticisms would apply to all men his age.

    That having been said, he's put out a lot of good videos on the specific topic of flat earth. He's not a worse choice than David Weiss or Eric Dubay. None of the major FE Youtube personalities got religion correct. Finding the true religion seems to be a real stumblingblock for "freethinking truthers" it would seem. Maybe there's just a lot of anti-Catholic propaganda in the Truth community (internet), so most truthers suck up the poison at some point...
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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2024, 07:39:30 AM »
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  • A classic example of a proud, malicious "anti-Flat Earth" character using derision, logical fallacies, and lies to try to "beat" a man who is simply speaking the truth and inviting all viewers to look into it for themselves.

    That's Non-Professor-School-Dropout Dave for you.  If I were to play a drinking game, take a shot every time the guy called people "morons," not sure if I'd live to see the next day.

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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2024, 08:02:19 AM »
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  • I haven't watched / listend to this yet, but Whitsit is capable of countering Dave's "debating" style, which consists of rapid-fire gratuitous (unproven) assertions which he then assumes to be true unless they're refuted, but becuase he throws so many out there, his opponent doesn't have time to carefully refute them all, with Dave then declaring victory for having thrown more points out there.  It's basically the "throw manure at the wall" style.  Whitsit has the talent to take that on, so I've long been curious to see how these two would match up.  David Weiss couldn't withstand Dave's (dishonest) debating style and wasn't expecting it.  If he had anticipated it, the best approach is to simply call it out and gratuitously reject his gratuitous assertions.  This is what College and High School debate started to turn into during my years there in the late 1980s (and it's only gotten worse), and that's why I quite two years into college.


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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #5 on: June 19, 2024, 08:14:27 AM »
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  • That having been said, he's put out a lot of good videos on the specific topic of flat earth. He's not a worse choice than David Weiss or Eric Dubay. None of the major FE Youtube personalities got religion correct. Finding the true religion seems to be a real stumblingblock for "freethinking truthers" it would seem. Maybe there's just a lot of anti-Catholic propaganda in the Truth community (internet), so most truthers suck up the poison at some point...

    In conjunction with the phenomenon of the Conciliar Church, indeed today's society have poisoned people against the Church.  In a different (aka pre-V2 climate), these men easily could have been led to Catholic truth.

    Now, there is SOME legitimacy to blaming the Jesuits for modern cosmology (with Copernicus and the Jesuit-educated Georges Lemaitre of "Big Bang" fame) ... although they don't give much credit to St. Robert Bellarmine (who opposed much of that garbage)

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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #6 on: June 19, 2024, 10:35:42 AM »
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  • Just a few minutes in, and after the opening statements that was a sloppy mess.  Moderator completely lost control, where Dave in particular wouldn't let Austin complete a sentence before talking over him. 

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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #7 on: June 19, 2024, 10:50:04 AM »
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  • Austin did do a great job of pointing out Dave's tactics, which are to gratuitously assert various aspects of the globe model and then try to put the burden on him to refute every one of the points he rattled on about without having proven them himself.


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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #8 on: June 19, 2024, 11:02:47 PM »
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  • I watched 45 minutes last night and am going to try to finish tonight but I was hoping for a more formal debate where each side has equal time to make points and counterpoints without talking over each other.  Of course Dave starts in on the insults and condescending attitude right from the get go and Austin kept it cool for the most part but did fire a few shots after Dave wanted to go to the dirt.  I liked how Austin called out how Dave is pushed on YT and the censorship they do.  I never knew about the coffee cup light thing that was presented.  I thought that was kind of neat. 

    Hoping it gets more under control and the moderator makes it a little more formal after I resume about the 45minute mark but I'm not going to hold my breath.  I'll review more after I finish watching this.  

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    Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
    « Reply #9 on: June 20, 2024, 09:55:26 PM »
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  • Finished the debate late last night.  I thought Austin did pretty well against Dave.  Just looking at it objectively without bias I would say that Austin won, not by a landslide, but still had the upper hand and most of the people watching felt the same way.  Although Austin was not able to answer everything Dave threw at him, Dave was not able to answer more of what was thrown at him.  Austin was also more professional and straight up stumped Dave on a couple points which is why I gave the edge to Austin in the debate.  Dave mostly threw playground type insults and tried to counter everything saying it was "word salad" and Austin called it out and called out the gish galloping as well.  Dave Farina's tone and countenance even changed towards the end and he kind of looked "lost."     

    I'm kind of upset because Austin was supposed to show a working FE model and the host even acted like they were and I was all excited but then the debate got off on another tangent and it was never brought up!  The live comment section was pretty funny and outright hilarious in some spots if anyone paused the debate to read any of it.  The host was kind of annoying but tried I suppose.  I would have liked a more formal debate with equal uninterrupted speaking times.  

    I need to finish watching the debate with Dave Farina and David Weiss but it was hard to get through with Weiss's "effeminate" voice, but every flatter basically says that Austin did way better than Weiss.  Austin has other debates on his channel as well and about to watch this one...