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Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« on: June 19, 2024, 12:32:23 AM »
I know some of you like to see these (including me on occasion) and I don't think this one has been linked or discussed here.  Here's a link to a FE Debate between these two.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2024, 12:47:31 AM »
A classic example of a proud, malicious "anti-Flat Earth" character using derision, logical fallacies, and lies to try to "beat" a man who is simply speaking the truth and inviting all viewers to look into it for themselves.

The "flat earth" movement is not a replacement cult for the Globe cult science-religion. Only the FE side invites all and sundry to DON'T BELIEVE ME, PLEASE INVESTIGATE FOR YOURSELVES. Does the science-religion (scientism, etc.) ever do this? Never. They always say "believe our priesthood, I mean the experts!"

Of course, it should be noted that FE is unique in that ALL so-called "FE proponents" once believed in the Globe. Can you say that about any other debate? Catholic vs. Protestant? Conservative vs. Liberal? No, you can't. There are plenty of life-long conservatives born to conservative parents. There are plenty of Catholics who were born to families who have been Catholic for generations. And so on.

But *everyone* was taught the world is a globe in school. Even if you were private or homeschooled, you still got the programming.

So it creates an interesting dynamic. Many (most?) "flat earthers" know the Globe model better the globe-believers. They've actually studied it. They've read books. They've looked into it. They've done the research -- that's why they're flat earth now...

But long story short, the truth is with Witsit and his "side", so it's easier to be a good guy on that side. You don't have to resort to malice, logical fallacies, or lies when the truth is on your side. It's easier to stay calm and charitable. But it's very hard to be good willed while opposing the truth. Something's gotta give: either you embrace the truth eventually, or you stop being of good will (and embrace malice).


Offline Matthew

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Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2024, 01:00:53 AM »
By the way, about Witsit himself --

I recommend his videos on Flat Earth. He's very smart for his age (about 32). He clearly has a high IQ and has done a lot of research. Furthermore, he has a skill at debating and he's willing to bring public attention to Flat Earth. That doesn't mean he's perfect however.

He fell for the "Jesuits/Catholic Church is the bad guy" BS.  Long story short, much of what WE would ascribe to the Jews, the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, he would ascribe to "Jesuits" and "the Catholic Church". He has some vague belief in a Creator, but he's not even a straight up Christian (protestant). He thinks there's something to Scripture, but he doesn't believe "what most Christians believe" about Jesus.

And although he understands a lot of the high-end topics better than me, I would have him beat on things like history, religion, Latin, English language (etymology, pronouncing "big words", etc.) So as I listen to his podcasts, I vacillate between "wow, he's got me beat" and "man, I need to help him out!" A final criticism is that he's a bit of a wigger. He likes hip hop and is able to freestyle rap (which is an impressive skill, but not my cup of tea). He's also a product of one of the younger generations, and he identifies as very "cool" so he uses all the modern slang. But most of these criticisms would apply to all men his age.

That having been said, he's put out a lot of good videos on the specific topic of flat earth. He's not a worse choice than David Weiss or Eric Dubay. None of the major FE Youtube personalities got religion correct. Finding the true religion seems to be a real stumblingblock for "freethinking truthers" it would seem. Maybe there's just a lot of anti-Catholic propaganda in the Truth community (internet), so most truthers suck up the poison at some point...

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2024, 07:39:30 AM »
A classic example of a proud, malicious "anti-Flat Earth" character using derision, logical fallacies, and lies to try to "beat" a man who is simply speaking the truth and inviting all viewers to look into it for themselves.

That's Non-Professor-School-Dropout Dave for you.  If I were to play a drinking game, take a shot every time the guy called people "morons," not sure if I'd live to see the next day.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Dave Farina vs Austin Witsit (FE Debate)
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2024, 08:02:19 AM »
I haven't watched / listend to this yet, but Whitsit is capable of countering Dave's "debating" style, which consists of rapid-fire gratuitous (unproven) assertions which he then assumes to be true unless they're refuted, but becuase he throws so many out there, his opponent doesn't have time to carefully refute them all, with Dave then declaring victory for having thrown more points out there.  It's basically the "throw manure at the wall" style.  Whitsit has the talent to take that on, so I've long been curious to see how these two would match up.  David Weiss couldn't withstand Dave's (dishonest) debating style and wasn't expecting it.  If he had anticipated it, the best approach is to simply call it out and gratuitously reject his gratuitous assertions.  This is what College and High School debate started to turn into during my years there in the late 1980s (and it's only gotten worse), and that's why I quite two years into college.