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Re: Website with List of Priests NOT Conditionally Ordained
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 11:34:32 AM »
I will try to update the site this weekend.  I haven't been posting much lately, but I heard that a handful of ICK "priests" were brought over, and the problem continues to get worse.

Unforunately, at Father Carley's old chapel in Akron, OH (Immaculate Heart of Mary) ... a disaster brews.  In the legal "Trust" paperwork, Father Carley left the property to SSPX.  Yet, before he passed away, he had invited Father Carlos Casavantes in to "take over for him", so, basically, verbally he had different intentions that what he left on his legal papers, and it's quickly turning into a disaster.  I had warned Father about this, and had politely and respectfully resigned from his Board of Trustees rather than sign the papers, and Father wanted the entire Board to sign, precisely because I knew what the outcome would be.  Father Carley considered the Novus Ordo Holy Orders seriously doubtful at best, so I really couldn't understand his thinking about going with SSPX, and he urged him to speak with Bishop Zendejas, et al.  But, it is what it is now.

Father Casavantes was actually one of the very first ordinations that Bishop Williamson had performed, having conditionally ordained him in 1989.  I visited him during the early Summer of 1990 as a seminarian, when he was up in Vienna, OH, having at that time taken over Father Roach's old chapel (similar "Board of Trustees" problem there ... where you'd think Father Carley would have learned from that) ... and it was for that reason he had receive conditional ordination.  Hilariously, IMO, his original "ordination" was done by none other than "Saint" John Paul II the Great Wojtyla in Rome ... so to peform a conditional after ordination by the man who was pretty much the face of Novus Ordo conservatives ... :laugh1:

Re: Website with List of Priests NOT Conditionally Ordained
« Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 02:55:00 PM »
I will try to update the site this weekend.  I haven't been posting much lately, but I heard that a handful of ICK "priests" were brought over, and the problem continues to get worse.

Unforunately, at Father Carley's old chapel in Akron, OH (Immaculate Heart of Mary) ... a disaster brews.  In the legal "Trust" paperwork, Father Carley left the property to SSPX.  Yet, before he passed away, he had invited Father Carlos Casavantes in to "take over for him", so, basically, verbally he had different intentions that what he left on his legal papers, and it's quickly turning into a disaster.  I had warned Father about this, and had politely and respectfully resigned from his Board of Trustees rather than sign the papers, and Father wanted the entire Board to sign, precisely because I knew what the outcome would be.  Father Carley considered the Novus Ordo Holy Orders seriously doubtful at best, so I really couldn't understand his thinking about going with SSPX, and he urged him to speak with Bishop Zendejas, et al.  But, it is what it is now.

Father Casavantes was actually one of the very first ordinations that Bishop Williamson had performed, having conditionally ordained him in 1989.  I visited him during the early Summer of 1990 as a seminarian, when he was up in Vienna, OH, having at that time taken over Father Roach's old chapel (similar "Board of Trustees" problem there ... where you'd think Father Carley would have learned from that) ... and it was for that reason he had receive conditional ordination.  Hilariously, IMO, his original "ordination" was done by none other than "Saint" John Paul II the Great Wojtyla in Rome ... so to peform a conditional after ordination by the man who was pretty much the face of Novus Ordo conservatives ... :laugh1:
Thanks for the update Ladislaus!


Re: Website with List of Priests NOT Conditionally Ordained
« Reply #47 on: Today at 07:04:49 AM »
Can the SSPX open a new priory without the permission of the local diocesan bishop?
I think not.
Can the SSPX open a new mission without the permission of the local diocesan bishop?
I think not.
As they continue to ordain priests in means more and more priests in the existing priories.
Gone are the days when Fr. Schmidberger would going around giving conferences "We've received requests for priests from this island, this place in Asia, this village,...

Re: Website with List of Priests NOT Conditionally Ordained
« Reply #48 on: Today at 07:37:15 AM »
Can the SSPX open a new priory without the permission of the local diocesan bishop?
I think not.
Can the SSPX open a new mission without the permission of the local diocesan bishop?
I think not.
As they continue to ordain priests in means more and more priests in the existing priories.
Gone are the days when Fr. Schmidberger would going around giving conferences "We've received requests for priests from this island, this place in Asia, this village,...

I have never heard of the SSPX seeking or getting permission from any diocesan bishop to do anything

So far as I'm aware, they just discern a need, go in and set up shop, and that's that. 

Where are you getting your information?

Re: Website with List of Priests NOT Conditionally Ordained
« Reply #49 on: Today at 01:12:03 PM »
The name that appears at the top of Ladislaus' substack is that of Father Robert Belwood. 

He was/is the resident priest for the retirement home Le Brémien near Chartres. This is what the site Virgo Maria says about Father Belwood (The article is from 2008):

http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2008/VM-2008-04-16-A-00-Rosmini.pdf

A Rosminian in the SSPSX: Who is "Abbot" Robert Belwood?
 
A very curious case in Tradition. Father Belwood belonged to the Institute of Charity, a congregation of the Rosminians, who had now become conciliars. After having officiated in Normandy at the Gavrus priory of the SSPX with Father Aulagnier, he was appointed in September 2007 as chaplain of the school of Kernabat (in Brittany), run by the Dominican nuns who belong to one of the friendly communities of the SSPX. And so, while holding responsibilities in activities that fall within the scope of the SSPX, Father Belwood has a religious of the Conciliar Church as his superior!

http://www.dici.org/dl/nouvelles/Nouvelles_94.pdf

An intruder of the conciliar church within the perimeter of the SSPX, and moreover, this marginal of his rosminian conciliar Order would be considered by the (conciliar) General of his conciliar congregation as "the best of his religious"! But what doctrine does Father Belwood teach to the children of SSPX families who place their offspring with confidence in Kernabat? "Father Roux is a Rosminian, and as such, belongs to a congregation whose superior is INTELLIGENT: it is in fact the latter who has granted him the freedom he enjoys, and who has shown the same confidence in Father Belwood who has long given precious help to the priory of Caen and the Dominican nuns of Saint-Manvieu. I have even been told this word of him (to a priest of the Society or to the Dominican nuns, I don't know) when he granted this freedom, that Father Belwood was the best of his religious... The priests of this congregation therefore enjoyed the greatest freedom to act for the good of souls, while remaining fully obedient (Father de Chivré had also had the grace of not being forced to cut himself off from his superiors, although he certainly did not enjoy the same benevolence from them)."

"Abbot" Belwood was ordained in the new rite which is not valid, so he is not a priest (moreover nothing is known about the bishop who "ordained" him) But there is much more serious. VM has mentioned this very serious case on its website since the summer of 2007.
Let us recall right away that during Archbishop Lefebvre's lifetime, the SSPX's policy was to conditionally reordain any priest who joined it to collaborate with it and who had been ordained in the conciliar rite of 1969. "Abbot" Belwood was ordained in the 1970s (and by which bishop(s)?) in the new sacramentally invalid rite promulgated in 1969 and is not valid. Mr. Robert Belwood, in the light of traditional Catholic sacramental theology, is only a layman, because he does not possess Catholic priestly powers. It has not been reordered under conditions.

• In fact, it appears that nothing is known about the (conciliar?) seminary where "Abbot" Belwood received his priestly formation.

• Nothing is known about the exact date and place of his ordination according to the new conciliar rite (doubtful or invalid).

• Above all, nothing is known about the conciliar "bishop(s)" who ordained him, nor whether these bishops possessed the reality of the fullness of the episcopal Potestas Ordinis, that is, whether these "bishops" had themselves been consecrated according to the new conciliar episcopal rite, certainly sacramentally invalid of Pontificalis Romani of June 18, 1968 (cf. www.rore-sanctifica.org).  or if it had been consecrated in the ancient sacramentally valid rite.

This means that the sacraments that "Abbot" Belwood distributes to the nuns of Kernabat, as well as to the children they educate, are invalid, they do not transmit sacramental grace. These false sacraments are no more operative than in the conciliar church, to which Mr. Robert Belwood is attached by his membership of the Rosminian congregation.

http://www.leforumcatholique.org/message.php?num=126668 30 http://www.virgo-maria.org/D-Faux-pretre/index_faux_pretres.htm

According to a well-informed source, Father Belwood himself said at one time that Archbishop Lefebvre had wanted to reordain him conditionally, but Father Belwood had opposed it. Now Father Belwood claims that there was never any question of reordination. The attachment of "Abbot" Belwood to the conciliar church is real, since during the false "beatification" of Rosmini by Ratzinger on November 18, 2007, he went to Rome to participate in this masquerade. This date coincided with the school festival. "Abbot" Belwood preferred to go to Rome rather than participate in the festivities of his school in Kernabat where he had just been newly appointed.

On his return from Rome, he distributed a docuмent concerning Rosmini to the final year classes, telling them that he was a great man, a great Catholic. Back in Kernabat, he engaged in propaganda, he distributed a docuмent concerning Rosmini to the final year classes, telling them that he was a great man.

It is a panegyric in English to the glory of Rosmini, the cleric whose writings were condemned by Popes Pius IX and Leo XIII. This docuмent aims to prepare for the bicentenary of his birth. This modernist docuмent is published by The International Center for Rosminian Studies. International Center for Rosminian Studies on the shores of Lake Maggiore in Italy. This quite abnormal situation of "Abbot" Belwood within the Catholic Tradition must be widely known and is unbearable.