One more thing that bugs me about Atila's inside sources regarding the recent Quito affair is that I can't imagine anyone offering the sort of information he claims to have received unless his contact was an actual nun (or nuns) within the convent itself. If true, this would in theory be a major departure for what Mother Mariana envisioned for the sisters, as would be having a group of laymen enter the convent in order to carry the statue in the first place. It may also indicate a real "La Capitana" with a mouth to his ear. If that sounds extreme, Atila's actions warrant the speculation.

You raise good points and mention one possibility regarding Atila's purported source of information --

"I can't imagine anyone offering the sort of information he claims to have received unless his contact was an actual nun (or nuns) within the convent itself."

Other possibilities are:

Atila or his proxy bugged the convent.

Atila made an elaborate "mental reservation" and manufactured his source in the service of what he personally believes to be a greater good.

Simple explanation: After the death of Plínio, the TFP split into two parts fighting each other. They even went to court.

Guimarães and Horvat later split from one of the two.

But all venerate or worship Plínio.

Yes, and more specifically TFP got the name but no money.


Heralds of the Gospel got the money but not the name.


Slave of Plinio, Slave # 11 aka Atila was left with neither the money nor the TFP name. Also in 1996, the expose of TFP as a cult by Rimini was published and that was when Atila decided to go to Montebello, California.


http://www.kelebekler.com/cesnur/storia/gb11.htm

Átila thinks that God is "more present" in Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira than in the sacred burning bush.

That's the way, Átila presents himself and his Plínio.

Great point Struthio. Illegitimi non carborundum. Those who belong to the heretical sect/ cult of personality in question are taught that good Catholics who are not members of their heretical cult are to be despised as "white heretics."


When they attack (or defend those who attack) Blessed Cardinal Newman, Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Travez, many good Traditional Catholic priests or those of us who speak the Truth, they actually believe themselves to be doing "good" in attacking others.


They are capable only of obfuscation, name-calling, and cut-and-pasting articles by their cult leader. They are emotion-based and not capable of articulating a cogent argument against the facts which have been presented here.


Those of us who love the Truth can pray for them -- that they will leave the heretical cult and come back to the Catholic Faith.

Trad -granny... tell me the truth now.


Is your PhD in the Microsoft cut & paste tool?



How many times are you going to cut & paste that same old trash?


Can't you do something else?  

My goodness ! :farmer:

Somebody asked a question about the so-called "sacred slavery" of Atila to his slave master Plinio. I answered his question with the original source material. Your problem is with the facts, not with me.

I am unable to find any information on Arautos do Evangelho which is in English. Can you point me in that direction?

Sorry, I don't know of information on that sect in English.

You guys make it sound like Plino and Atila are the 2nd coming of Charles Manson and Jim Jones.  

A.  Do you really think they are that dangerous?  

B.  Or are they just extreme Trads who, in the vacuum of V2, with the lack of catholic leadership from orthodox clerics (who were/are too busy with chapels, schools and traveling to help with lay Catholic Action), started an organization to do good, but which has veered off course (in some but not all areas)?

You have received quite a lot of information. Now it is your duty to make your mind up.

Haha.  Another dodge.  You have trouble answering direct questions, don’t you?

I have no trouble answering direct questions. When I do, you hush:

This is just as blasphemous.  Do +Fellay's actions mean that every sspx priest is corrupt?  No.

In case you're interested in my opinion: Yes, every priest who would not speak up against blasphemous acts of his superior is corrupt.

And you, Pax Vobis, you are corrupt too. You read about these TIA blasphemies and attack the messenger and not the blasphemous TIA folks.

Ok, you’ve answered 1 question directly and dodged only 3-4 others.  Congrats!

Secondly, the blasphemies you’ve spoken of are related to an individual, not the TIA as a whole.  This is the distinction I’m making but you continue in “all or nothing” thinking.  You refuse to admit any gray area.  You’re as extreme as you claim Plino/Atila are.  Quite humorous, in a sad way.  

Plínio is presented as a divine being on the TIA website. You and other TIA followers should make Átila and Marian stop doing so.

But you are corrupt and choose to attack me and not Átila/TIA. You choose to side with blasphemy and to fight against those who denounce it.