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Offline SeanJohnson

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SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« on: July 13, 2019, 03:06:30 PM »
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  • In this current SSPX.org announcement, the SSPX refers to Maria Teresa Gonzalez Quevedo as "Venerable."

    https://sspx.org/en/news-events/calendar/ven-teresita-quevedo-girls%E2%80%99-camp-45049

    Problem: That title was given to her in 1983 by JPII.

    Is the SSPX incrementally moving towards an acceptance of conciliar saints?

    Of course they are: One cannot be accepted by the conciliar church while rejecting its "saints" (that would be resistance, you see, and as Fr. Cottier explained upon his conquest of Campos, "What is important is that there no longer be resistance in their hearts.").

    But what does it mean to be considered venerable?

    "In the Catholic Church, after a deceased Catholic has been declared a Servant of God by a bishop and proposed for beatification by the Pope, such a servant of God may next be declared venerable ("heroic in virtue") during the investigation and process leading to possible canonization as a saint."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venerable

    But has not the SSPX of old expressed serious reservations on this new conciliar concept of "heroic virtue?"

    See this 2011 article from Fr. Gleize (SSPX) explaining new and redefined concept of "heroic virtue" (scroll down to "Third Difficulty: Heroic Virtue):

    http://sspx.org/en/beatification-and-canonization-vatican-ii-3

    Little by little, the SSPX is moving from integral Catholicism to integral conciliarism.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

    Offline Struthio

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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #1 on: July 13, 2019, 03:44:30 PM »
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  • Their mass is the "mass of Saint John XXIII." today.
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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #2 on: July 13, 2019, 04:56:15 PM »
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  • Their mass is the "mass of Saint John XXIII." today.
    I attend an SSPX chapel that uses the 1962 Missal and said Missal IS the Latin Mass. What makes you think otherwise?
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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #3 on: July 13, 2019, 05:33:01 PM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel that uses the 1962 Missal and said Missal IS the Latin Mass. What makes you think otherwise?
    The 1962 Missal was a revision of John XXIII
    Humble thy spirit very much: for the vengeance on the flesh of the ungodly is fire and worms. - Ecclesiasticus 7:18

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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #4 on: July 13, 2019, 10:33:18 PM »
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  • The 1962 Missal was a revision of John XXIII  :applause:


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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 07:02:15 PM »
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  • What are the differences between the 1962 Latin Mass and the Mass before that?
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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 07:29:02 PM »
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  • What are the differences between the 1962 Latin Mass and the Mass before that?
    Holy Week was destroyed by Bugnini under Pius XII in 1955. 
    John XXIII inserted St. Joseph in to the Canon, removed the second Confiteor and some other changes I think. Someone else knows, I’m sure.
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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 07:50:05 PM »
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  • Canonisations are infallible. Still not sure how you can call someone a true Pope but reject their canonisations. 


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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 10:33:53 PM »
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  • Exactly! Well said.

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    « Reply #9 on: Today at 04:50:53 AM »
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  • Even today most of the 'conciliar' saints never attended the Novus Ordo.  

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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #10 on: Today at 06:56:07 AM »
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  • Speaking of canonizations, I just saw a post on SuscipeDomine where a poster was suggesting opening the cause of canonization for Archbishop Lefebrve....by Rome.   :facepalm:
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #11 on: Today at 07:22:43 AM »
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  • Speaking of canonizations, I just saw a post on SuscipeDomine where a poster was suggesting opening the cause of canonization for Archbishop Lefebrve....by Rome.   :facepalm:

    Did they provide any links regarding the alleged Vatican initiative?

    The notion of “excommunicated” saints in the conciliar church apparently does not present an obstacle.

    I can easily imagine the “canonization” speech submitted to Francis by a Dutch branding company:
    “He was a man of the Church...he wuved the pweesthood...”
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
    « Reply #12 on: Today at 07:26:26 AM »
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  • Did they provide any links regarding the alleged Vatican initiative?

    The notion of “excommunicated” saints in the conciliar church apparently does not present an obstacle.

    I can easily imagine the “canonization” speech submitted to Francis by a Dutch branding company:
    “He was a man of the Church...he wuved the pweesthood...”

    This was presented by the SD poster.  It appears he is hoping to get Rome to do this in the future.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

     

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