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Offline Marion

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Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2021, 03:27:28 PM »
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  • Then I guess it must be true, and you should be banned post-haste.
    Are you able to prove you're not a secret muslim?
    Why ban? Just for being cautious with respect to the Viganò writings?
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #61 on: June 23, 2021, 03:29:56 PM »
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  • Are you able to prove you're not a secret muslim?
    Why ban? Just for being cautious with respect to the Viganò writings?
    Which me are you addressing?  And from which you?
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    Offline Romulus

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #62 on: June 23, 2021, 03:31:50 PM »
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  • Are you able to prove you're not a secret muslim?
    Idk how he could be a secret Muslim with that profile pic

    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #63 on: June 23, 2021, 03:34:32 PM »
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  • Idk how he could be a secret Muslim with that profile pic
    You never know!  Can’t be too careful!
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #64 on: June 23, 2021, 03:35:37 PM »
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  • So again, why?

     Part of the answer may lie in the fact that a few weeks ago Dr. De Mattei — as Viganò notes in his response to the accusation below — came out in support of the worldwide use of the presently available emergency injections (called “vaccinations” though they are not ναccιnєs) as a way of stemming the pandemic. (link) De Mattei’s embrace of this position was quite influential for other conservative Catholics (link).

     De Mattei contended that such use was moral even if the injected material was in some way derived from the use of aborted fetal tissue, something Archbishop Viganò has repeatedly denounced as immoral.

     De Mattei asked: “1) Is it morally licit to use ναccιnєs against CÖVÌD-19 that use cellular lines coming from aborted fetuses?” And he answered: “There is… a reply that is more easily accessible for the Catholic with good sense, and this is it: it is licit to be ναccιnαted [even if the ναccιnє is derived from the cells of aborted human fetuses] because the Church assures of this, through its most authoritative doctrinal body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.”

     It is in that moment that the first “rift” between the position of Dr. De Mattei diverged from the position of Archbishop Viganò.

    Good catch there by Robert Moynihan. I thought that the problem that Mattei has with +Vigano might have something to do with either the NWO problem with CÖVÌD, or CÖVÌD and vaccinations.

    I've not been a fan of de Mattei since realizing that he's a Plinio devotee, and I don't read his writings (until now). I'm not surprised that he's taken this stand against +Vigano.

    De Mattei is a layman, but he seems to think that he has the authority to rebuke an Archbishop (of course many Archbishops in the conciliar church need to be rebuked, but not +Vigano). Since Mattei thinks of himself as a member of the Elite, perhaps he feels qualified to render a judgment against +Vigano. That's how the TFP folks operate. The Elites, in a TFP world, have a lot of power. Or they think that they should have.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #65 on: June 23, 2021, 03:56:29 PM »
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  • It is a good sign when Vigano comes under attack from NWO, plannedemic, globalist, and conciliar types.

    It confirms he is fully on our side, and opposed to them.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #66 on: June 23, 2021, 09:24:46 PM »
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  • [Robert Moynihan:] Dr. De Mattei — a leading, generally conservative Catholic intellectual in Italy who has been a friend of Archbishop Viganò for many years — made a startling allegation two days ago which has gone viral.

    Hard to imagine. Viganò, who condemned the Council and denounced a "parallel church", a friend of many years of de Mattei. Viganò a friend of many years of the TFPista, disciple and hagiographer of Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira, the prophet man-god of Higienópolis. Now they're divided about the question: To wear or not to wear a tin foil hat. To wear or not to wear a mask. To see or not to see all the fraud, conspirasy, and aggression of governments against their own people.

    I can understand that most CI-members in this thread put hope in Viganò. But I think, what de Mattei does is good for all. For those who put hope in Viganò, those who are unsure in times of universal deceit, and finally for those who mistrust or reject Viganò. The attack of de Mattei may well bring relief for all, in the near future. Some will have to rethink their approach, but they'll still be relieved.

    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #67 on: June 23, 2021, 09:26:32 PM »
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  • Idk how he could be a secret Muslim with that profile pic
    I would use SeanJohnsons profile pic, if I was a secret Muslim. It's the perfect disguise. In'it?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #68 on: June 23, 2021, 09:33:40 PM »
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  • I would use SeanJohnsons profile pic, if I was a secret Muslim. It's the perfect disguise. In'it?
    Excellent point!!  I may not be Sean Johnson after all!!
    (What happened to the pot smoker emoji?)
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #69 on: June 23, 2021, 09:37:38 PM »
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  • Excellent point!!  I may not be Sean Johnson after all!!
    (What happened to the pot smoker emoji?)
    :laugh1:
    A pot smoker emoji combined with your profile pic might be more than perfect for a secret Muslim.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #70 on: June 23, 2021, 09:37:47 PM »
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  • Hard to imagine. Viganò, who condemned the Council and denounced a "parallel church", a friend of many years of de Mattei. Viganò a friend of many years of the TFPista, disciple and hagiographer of Plínio Corrêa de Oliveira, the prophet man-god of Higienópolis. Now they're divided about the question: To wear or not to wear a tin foil hat. To wear or not to wear a mask. To see or not to see all the fraud, conspirasy, and aggression of governments against their own people.

    I can understand that most CI-members in this thread put hope in Viganò. But I think, what de Mattei does is good for all. For those who put hope in Viganò, those who are unsure in times of universal deceit, and finally for those who mistrust or reject Viganò. The attack of de Mattei may well bring relief for all, in the near future. Some will have to rethink their approach, but they'll still be relieved.
    I agree with you that de Mattei is an infiltrator.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #71 on: June 23, 2021, 09:38:37 PM »
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  • :laugh1:
    A pot smoker emoji combined with your profile pic might be more than perfect for a secret Muslim.

    Absolutely right!  Or even better, I could be a secret Jew!

    What do you think of the Jews?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #72 on: June 23, 2021, 09:46:15 PM »
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  • Ok, as Matthew is content to let this shill malign and attack Vigano’s integrity, I will sit by and watch it all with Matthew.

    :popcorn:
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #73 on: June 23, 2021, 10:05:56 PM »
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  • Ok, as Matthew is content to let this shill malign and attack Vigano’s integrity, I will sit by and watch it all with Matthew.
    How can you complain about a certain mistrust of a Catholic against a prelate of the Conciliar Sect with sudden late insights, published in a way where it's hard to know whether it's news or fake news?

    I don't understand your problem. If I were convinced that the writings are truely Viganò, or at least commissioned and authorized by Viganò, then I would assume that he will destroy de Mattei.
    That meaning of the sacred dogmas is ever to be maintained which has once been declared by holy mother church. (Dei Filius)

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #74 on: June 23, 2021, 10:10:50 PM »
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  • How can you complain about a certain mistrust of a Catholic against a prelate of the Conciliar Sect with sudden late insights, published in a way where it's hard to know whether it's news or fake news?

    I don't understand your problem. If I were convinced that the writings are truely Viganò, or at least commissioned and authorized by Viganò, then I would assume that he will destroy de Mattei.
    Wonderful points!  Please continue!!!
    :popcorn:
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."