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Offline Seraphina

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Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2021, 07:38:21 AM »
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    • Well, they say everyone has a double!   :jester: :jester:
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #31 on: June 23, 2021, 11:24:44 AM »
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    • Quote from: PiusXII on June 23, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
    Vigano was murdered by Deep Church operatives in late 2019-early 2020. The bizarre prophecies issued afterwards in his name are part of a Deep Church plot to tarnish Vigano's legacy and discredit Traditional Catholicism.
    Is this a joke?  

    I guess this video was a deep fake then....   (26 Oct 2020) 



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    Offline Emile

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #32 on: June 23, 2021, 11:27:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: PiusXII on June 23, 2021, 11:08:57 AM
    Vigano was murdered by Deep Church operatives in late 2019-early 2020. The bizarre prophecies issued afterwards in his name are part of a Deep Church plot to tarnish Vigano's legacy and discredit Traditional Catholicism.
    Interesting theory. Would you mind laying out the case for it?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #33 on: June 23, 2021, 11:29:23 AM »
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    • Is there a full moon out?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #34 on: June 23, 2021, 11:34:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 23, 2021, 11:29:23 AM
    Is there a full moon out?
    Werewovles are good. They are a secret brotherhood who defend Christianity from the vampires.
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #35 on: June 23, 2021, 11:52:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on June 23, 2021, 11:34:55 AM
    Werewovles are good. They are a secret brotherhood who defend Christianity from the vampires.
    Lol
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #36 on: June 23, 2021, 11:53:15 AM »
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #37 on: June 23, 2021, 11:56:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Emile on June 23, 2021, 11:27:52 AM
    Interesting theory. Would you mind laying out the case for it?

    This +Vigano murder theory has as much evidence behind it as Mattei's ... so why not?
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #38 on: June 23, 2021, 12:31:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 23, 2021, 11:56:11 AM
    This +Vigano murder theory has as much evidence behind it as Mattei's ... so why not?
    Apparently our new friend has been banned already. Pity, he seemed "interesting". :laugh1:
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #39 on: June 23, 2021, 01:35:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: gloria.tv
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    De Mattei Believes He Knows Viganò's "Ghostwriter"

    Roberto de Mattei published on CorrispondenzaRomana.it (June 23) more on his claim that Archbishop Viganò uses a "ghostwriter."

    Viganò has forcefully denied de Mattei's claim. According to De Mattei, the "ghostwriter" is a certain Pietro Siffi, 52, who uses different pseudonyms, among them "Cesare Baronio" (OpportuneImportune.blogspot.com). He helped organising Viganò's May 2020 appeal collecting the signatures using his name and email.

    De Mattei argues with what he calls a "stylometric" research and compares Viganò's and Siffi's texts, their lexical and stylistic elements. Both use similar phrases, creative words and ideas like “idol” for Vatican II, “Montinian rite” for the New Mass etc. Besides verbal coincidences there is "the same tone," de Mattei believes.

    Siffi stopped publishing on his blog in 2020 when Viganò started writing more frequently. De Mattei questions not Siffi’s intelligence but his integrity. Venice born Siffi was a seminarian with PiusX and with Institute of Christ the King, but left both places.

    In 2010, he started a business for interior design providing furnishing accessories and exclusive art fabrics. A year later, Siffi founded together with a certain Fabio Zardi a decoration studio which deals with floral design and organises weddings, homosex pseudo-weddings included - as announced on their business website.

    Siffi’s “current or former” business partner Zardi shared the same phone number. De Mattei calls Siffi a “gαy-friendly figure” judging from his public appearance but says he doesn't want to enter into Siffi's “private life.”

    Last year, Viganò was criticised for his English translator.

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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #40 on: June 23, 2021, 01:46:41 PM »
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    • de Mattei has clearly lost his mind (unless his ghost writer is putting words in his mouth).
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #41 on: June 23, 2021, 01:55:25 PM »
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    •  :facepalm:

    Mattei's latest update smells of desperation.  If he had this evidence before he made the initial allegation, then he could have produced it then.  This sounds like a subsequent attempt now to justify his original claim (which he made without evidence) after +Vigano repudiated it.  Mattei also basically accused this Siffi of being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, so he could be on the hook for slander if it's not true.

    Since +Vigano has denied it, that would make him a liar.  And he might be a lot of things, but I don't see him as that.  Unless of course this Siffi has been pretending to be +Vigano the entire time, including when he denied having a ghostwriter, and +Vigano has somehow been entirely removed from the scene.  I doubt that a closet sơdơmite would be a big +Vigano fan given that the latter exposed the sơdơmite coverups orchestrated by Rome.

    Simply because +Vigano used some terms like "Montinian Rite" and "idol" means nothing.  He could have just adopted or assimilated those terms as apt after having done some reading.  We here on CI pick up various terms from one another, such as Bennyvacantism or sededoubtism, etc.  Does he have more than these two phrases and some alleged "tone" to back up his "stylometric" assertion?  After I had read a couple Nathaniel Hawthorne novels when I was younger, I actually started writing a bit like Hawthorne for a while ... unconsciously.
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #42 on: June 23, 2021, 02:08:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 23, 2021, 01:55:25 PM
    :facepalm:

    Mattei's latest update smells of desperation.  If he had this evidence before he made the initial allegation, then he could have produced it then.  This sounds like a subsequent attempt now to justify his original claim (which he made without evidence) after +Vigano repudiated it.  Mattei also basically accused this Siffi of being a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, so he could be on the hook for slander if it's not true.

    Since +Vigano has denied it, that would make him a liar.  And he might be a lot of things, but I don't see him as that.  Unless of course this Siffi has been pretending to be +Vigano the entire time, including when he denied having a ghostwriter, and +Vigano has somehow been entirely removed from the scene.  I doubt that a closet sơdơmite would be a big +Vigano fan given that the latter exposed the sơdơmite coverups orchestrated by Rome.

    Simply because +Vigano used some terms like "Montinian Rite" and "idol" means nothing.  He could have just adopted or assimilated those terms as apt after having done some reading.  We here on CI pick up various terms from one another, such as Bennyvacantism or sededoubtism, etc.  Does he have more than these two phrases and some alleged "tone" to back up his "stylometric" assertion?  After I had read a couple Nathaniel Hawthorne novels when I was younger, I actually started writing a bit like Hawthorne for a while ... unconsciously.

    Its like de Mattei is using the modernist biblical historical critical exegetical J,E,P,D theory of textual analysis to conclude none of the Gospel writers actually wrote the Gospels attributed to them (or in this case, that +Vigano hasn't written anything attributed to him...and not even the live speech he gave at the 2020 Catholic Identity Conference, in which he voiced opinions precisely like those de Mattei claims could not have come from him, can change his mind).

    So, we are to believe, without any evidence, that not only does +Vigano have a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ghostwriter, but he has body doubles giving conferences for him.

    :facepalm:

    Mattei has flipped his wig.

    It takes so long to build a good reputation, but only one incident like this to discredit a lifetime of work.

    I haven't read stuff this batshit crazy since the old "Pope Paul VI is drugged and held in the Palmar de Troya basement, and his bodydouble is on the throne: Look at the ears!!!"
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #43 on: June 23, 2021, 02:12:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 23, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
     I haven't read stuff this batshit crazy since the old "Pope Paul VI is drugged and held in the Palmar de Troya basement, and his bodydouble is on the throne: Look at the ears!!!"
    I read stuff this crazy every day right here on Cathinfo.  
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    Re: +Vigano Refutes de Mattei!
    « Reply #44 on: June 23, 2021, 02:12:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 23, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
    I haven't read stuff this batshit crazy since the old "Pope Paul VI is drugged and held in the Palmar de Troya basement, and his bodydouble is on the throne: Look at the ears!!!"

    Well, I actually find the drugged Paul VI in the basement to be a little more credible.  It's hard to ignore the ears.   :laugh1:
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