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Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2023, 12:19:41 AM »
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  • Seems childish at best.  I don't know of any men who would call each other up and say, 'let's go to Disneyland and ride the rides!!!'  People of every walk of life need some recreation but grown men going to play on the rides at an 'amusement park'?

    Sorry, but I don't see that as particularly unmanly.

    I cannot go on amusement park rides due to vertigo and nausea, so it's not an issue for me.  My son has always understood this, so he never pressed me to get on roller coasters, Ferris wheels, and the like.  

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #76 on: October 09, 2023, 12:27:58 AM »
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  • Transcript of the above sermon related to this issue of the SSPX administering Sacraments in Novus Ordo parishes:

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    ... For us, we are ordered to accept Vatican II, the New Mass, the whole errors of the New Code go along with the Diocesan Bishops. Bishop Tissier is going to have confirmations in a month or two in All Saints Parish Church Novus Ordo, in Sanford, Florida. And they're going to have New Mass that morning. Bishop Tissier is going to come in, do Confirmations, have Mass, and then they're going to have the New Mass later that afternoon, no doubt. It's a New Mass parish and same in Syracuse.

    I hear they're having a regular Mass. It's a beautiful church. It belongs to Tradition. It was built before Vatican II, but sandwiched between indult masses and Novus Ordo Masses. Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre would settle for this? Do you think he would be approving of this? I doubt it. I doubt it because the Archbishop often said you want to avoid the ambiance, that is the environment, the toxic gas and the air that breathes in these Novus Ordo churches.

    So if the priests of Syracuse are budd[ies] with the priests of the Novus Ordo diocese and the Novus Ordo Bishops, which they have to be to get their churches, do you think they're going to stand in the pulpit and condemn the New Mass and Vatican II in their Novus Ordo church, sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses? Do you think Bishop Tissier, who we lament to see him sliding, do you think he's going to stand in the pulpit when he confirms these people in the Novus Ordo church sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses and tell them the New Mass is evil, Vatican II is straight out of hell? Do you think he's going mention even Archbishop Lefebvre's name?

    And this is why the Archbishop was very clear. You don't make deals with Rome. You don't put ourselves under these modernist bishops. And what's happening to the faithful? They're sliding and sliding and they're going to say, well, we're in the same church. New Mass was at 10, our Mass was at 12 and I can't make it to our Mass, so maybe I could go to the New Mass. After all, we're in the same church. You see, it makes the people slide in their faith. It's very dangerous. And this is why we have the saints, all these martyrs before us, they didn't play games with the faith at all.

    ...  With the matters of the Faith, you don't have to argue and debate. We don't go with the New Mass, we don't play with it. We don't approve the New Mass miracles because we know many of them are invalid. One of the priests of the Novus Ordo, who talks about the so-called miraculous multiplication of the hosts when he was giving Holy Communion. Well, one, maybe it's not even valid because a lot of these priests don't believe. And the priest said, "Yeah, it was really cool." He said it was really cool.

    And it's all around the New Mass where there's no reverence, no genuflections, no center on the sacrifice of the cross. It's all man-centered. Is our Lord really even there? Most of them are not even valid today. Most of them are not even valid and the priests probably are not even valid because of the dubious consecrations of the Novus Ordo rite since 1968. It's for the Church to decide, but I have to ... You know as well as I, Archbishop Lefebvre admitted there is a doubt here. Maybe they're valid, maybe they're not, and that's the danger.

    So if it's not valid, of course the devil could multiply fake miracles. He could get in there and make a fake miracle. And Christ warned us, 'Beware of the prodigies and errors towards the end of times because Satan will try to seduce if possible, even the elect.' And how can we be seduced to lose our faith? To accept New Mass, New Mass miracles, and accept Vatican II, which is exactly where it leads. So that's the danger of our times. And now traditional Catholics are in great danger with these traditional Masses in Novus Ordo churches sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses, friendly with Novus Ordo bishops.

    It's an extremely dangerous atmosphere. It's very toxic and dangerous to the faith and the faithful are in danger as well because they're not going to hear from the pulpits, you can't go to the New Mass, [the] New Mass is straight out of hell. Vatican II is from hell. You got to keep the Faith, persevere in the line of tradition and the Popes and Archbishop Lefebvre. They're not going to say that. No way. Not when they're getting favors from Pope Francis, from the local bishops and from the Novus Ordo priests.
    "So let us be confident, let us not be unprepared, let us not be outflanked, let us be wise, vigilant, fighting against those who are trying to tear the faith out of our souls and morality out of our hearts, so that we may remain Catholics, remain united to the Blessed Virgin Mary, remain united to the Roman Catholic Church, remain faithful children of the Church."- Abp. Lefebvre

    https://thecatacombs.org/showthread.php?tid=5573
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #77 on: October 09, 2023, 05:31:50 AM »
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  • Transcript of the above sermon related to this issue of the SSPX administering Sacraments in Novus Ordo parishes:

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    ... For us, we are ordered to accept Vatican II, the New Mass, the whole errors of the New Code go along with the Diocesan Bishops. Bishop Tissier is going to have confirmations in a month or two in All Saints Parish Church Novus Ordo, in Sanford, Florida. And they're going to have New Mass that morning. Bishop Tissier is going to come in, do Confirmations, have Mass, and then they're going to have the New Mass later that afternoon, no doubt. It's a New Mass parish and same in Syracuse.

    I hear they're having a regular Mass. It's a beautiful church. It belongs to Tradition. It was built before Vatican II, but sandwiched between indult masses and Novus Ordo Masses. Do you think Archbishop Lefebvre would settle for this? Do you think he would be approving of this? I doubt it. I doubt it because the Archbishop often said you want to avoid the ambiance, that is the environment, the toxic gas and the air that breathes in these Novus Ordo churches.

    So if the priests of Syracuse are budd[ies] with the priests of the Novus Ordo diocese and the Novus Ordo Bishops, which they have to be to get their churches, do you think they're going to stand in the pulpit and condemn the New Mass and Vatican II in their Novus Ordo church, sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses? Do you think Bishop Tissier, who we lament to see him sliding, do you think he's going to stand in the pulpit when he confirms these people in the Novus Ordo church sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses and tell them the New Mass is evil, Vatican II is straight out of hell? Do you think he's going mention even Archbishop Lefebvre's name?

    And this is why the Archbishop was very clear. You don't make deals with Rome. You don't put ourselves under these modernist bishops. And what's happening to the faithful? They're sliding and sliding and they're going to say, well, we're in the same church. New Mass was at 10, our Mass was at 12 and I can't make it to our Mass, so maybe I could go to the New Mass. After all, we're in the same church. You see, it makes the people slide in their faith. It's very dangerous. And this is why we have the saints, all these martyrs before us, they didn't play games with the faith at all.

    ...  With the matters of the Faith, you don't have to argue and debate. We don't go with the New Mass, we don't play with it. We don't approve the New Mass miracles because we know many of them are invalid. One of the priests of the Novus Ordo, who talks about the so-called miraculous multiplication of the hosts when he was giving Holy Communion. Well, one, maybe it's not even valid because a lot of these priests don't believe. And the priest said, "Yeah, it was really cool." He said it was really cool.

    And it's all around the New Mass where there's no reverence, no genuflections, no center on the sacrifice of the cross. It's all man-centered. Is our Lord really even there? Most of them are not even valid today. Most of them are not even valid and the priests probably are not even valid because of the dubious consecrations of the Novus Ordo rite since 1968. It's for the Church to decide, but I have to ... You know as well as I, Archbishop Lefebvre admitted there is a doubt here. Maybe they're valid, maybe they're not, and that's the danger.

    So if it's not valid, of course the devil could multiply fake miracles. He could get in there and make a fake miracle. And Christ warned us, 'Beware of the prodigies and errors towards the end of times because Satan will try to seduce if possible, even the elect.' And how can we be seduced to lose our faith? To accept New Mass, New Mass miracles, and accept Vatican II, which is exactly where it leads. So that's the danger of our times. And now traditional Catholics are in great danger with these traditional Masses in Novus Ordo churches sandwiched between Novus Ordo Masses, friendly with Novus Ordo bishops.

    It's an extremely dangerous atmosphere. It's very toxic and dangerous to the faith and the faithful are in danger as well because they're not going to hear from the pulpits, you can't go to the New Mass, [the] New Mass is straight out of hell. Vatican II is from hell. You got to keep the Faith, persevere in the line of tradition and the Popes and Archbishop Lefebvre. They're not going to say that. No way. Not when they're getting favors from Pope Francis, from the local bishops and from the Novus Ordo priests.
    "So let us be confident, let us not be unprepared, let us not be outflanked, let us be wise, vigilant, fighting against those who are trying to tear the faith out of our souls and morality out of our hearts, so that we may remain Catholics, remain united to the Blessed Virgin Mary, remain united to the Roman Catholic Church, remain faithful children of the Church."- Abp. Lefebvre

    https://thecatacombs.org/showthread.php?tid=5573
    Thank you for sharing this! 
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #78 on: October 09, 2023, 09:10:33 AM »
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  • Transcript of the above sermon related to this issue of the SSPX administering Sacraments in Novus Ordo parishes:

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    ... Bishop Tissier is going to have confirmations in a month or two in All Saints Parish Church Novus Ordo, in Sanford, Florida. And they're going to have New Mass that morning. Bishop Tissier is going to come in, do Confirmations, have Mass, and then they're going to have the New Mass later that afternoon, no doubt. It's a New Mass parish and same in Syracuse.
    It is All Souls Parish, not All Saints.

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #79 on: October 09, 2023, 09:20:02 AM »
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  • The biggest mistake was not going to Mako ride. Looks super nice.

    But seriously, I think they went there to experience gravity, ergo make sure the Earth is not flat.


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #80 on: October 09, 2023, 09:22:41 AM »
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  • Judging by the photo gallery, it must be a local custom at that parish https://asccsanford.org/photoalbums

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #81 on: October 09, 2023, 09:50:18 AM »
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  • -The Confirmations will be happening at the newer church as far as I understand, not the historic chapel. A collection will be taken at the confirmations, I guess as a gift/rent for using the church.
    -All Souls' has hosted the indult Mass in Orlando ever since the SSPX church opened.
    -The bishop of Orlando is allowing this Mass at the church for ecuмenical reasons in light of Francis' recent gestures to the SSPX (e.g. Confession faculties, Marriage faculties, etc.). Cannon 137 was mentioned about this specifically by Bishop Noonan.
    -Technically, the cemetery attached to All Souls also mentions when someone is buried authorized clergy are only to perform the Rites at the cemetery. SSPX clergy as far as I know always have been able to perform the Rites there where several lay people are buried that attended the SSPX Masses. I'm sure Cannon 137 would also be their explanation for this. 

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #82 on: October 09, 2023, 11:29:09 AM »
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  • Novus Ordo revels in such displays, where they show nuns and priests doing absurd secular things like participating in dance contests, rapping, and engaging in all manner of frivolity that is not becoming to their state in life.  As another poster stated, the clerical garb has always been a sign of death to the world and of separate from the world (i.e., sacred-ness), and this admixture of the sacred and the profane borders upon sacrilege against their state in life.  No one is saying that there's anything inherently wrong with riding a roller coaster, just that the public display of such activities is disedifying and is contrary to the dignity of their state in life.  There's nothing sinful about going to the bathroom and doing a number 2, but you wouldn't do that in public either.

    This actually is the Vatican II spirit in microcosm, where it shows the Church opening up the "windows" to the world, and blending in with the world, to become more "relevant".

    I know an Eastern Rite priest who likes to mix it up with the parishioners, going out drinking with them, bowling, playing basketball with them, etc.  Nobody wants to go to Confession to him, despite his constant attempts to persuade people to go to the Sacrament, and that's because ... who wants to go to Confession to your bowling buddy?  Excessive familiarity breeds contempt and loss of respect.
    Exactly. 
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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #83 on: October 09, 2023, 01:26:54 PM »
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  • Sorry, but I don't see that as particularly unmanly.

    I cannot go on amusement park rides due to vertigo and nausea, so it's not an issue for me.  My son has always understood this, so he never pressed me to get on roller coasters, Ferris wheels, and the like. 

    Parents taking their children to an amusement park is not unmanly - that's what the parks are there for. 

    I stated that a group of men going together to play on the rides is childish.  

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #84 on: October 09, 2023, 04:55:04 PM »
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  • -The Confirmations will be happening at the newer church as far as I understand, not the historic chapel. A collection will be taken at the confirmations, I guess as a gift/rent for using the church.
    -All Souls' has hosted the indult Mass in Orlando ever since the SSPX church opened.
    -The bishop of Orlando is allowing this Mass at the church for ecuмenical reasons in light of Francis' recent gestures to the SSPX (e.g. Confession faculties, Marriage faculties, etc.). Cannon 137 was mentioned about this specifically by Bishop Noonan.
    -Technically, the cemetery attached to All Souls also mentions when someone is buried authorized clergy are only to perform the Rites at the cemetery. SSPX clergy as far as I know always have been able to perform the Rites there where several lay people are buried that attended the SSPX Masses. I'm sure Cannon 137 would also be their explanation for this.
    It is at the newer church 

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #85 on: October 09, 2023, 08:07:41 PM »
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  • It is at the newer church
    Dear jersey60,
    I am praying that nobody shows up for Confirmation but just goes over to the Priory for the dinner afterwards.  Hmmm...enough room there for all the families to eat, but not enough room for Confirmations??


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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #86 on: October 09, 2023, 09:09:40 PM »
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  • There are other problems connected to the New Mass, none of which is trivial. For one thing, the Novus Ordo Missae desecrates the church in which it is offered. Also, in my humble opinion, Communion in the Hand is another act of desecration, inflicted upon the Sacramental Body of Christ directly. The law requires that, once a church or oratory has been desecrated, Catholic services may not be held there until it is properly reconciled.

    --Fr James F. Wathen

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    These new-sspx clerics who keep playing around with novus ordo churches and mixing-and-matching the True Rites with novus ordo rites/churches will be held accountable by God for their scandalous and lukewarm attitude towards the new religion, which is not of God, and which highly offends Him and Our Lady.  I would not want to be them on Judgement Day.

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    « Reply #87 on: October 09, 2023, 09:15:25 PM »
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  • There are other problems connected to the New Mass, none of which is trivial. For one thing, the Novus Ordo Missae desecrates the church in which it is offered. Also, in my humble opinion, Communion in the Hand is another act of desecration, inflicted upon the Sacramental Body of Christ directly. The law requires that, once a church or oratory has been desecrated, Catholic services may not be held there until it is properly reconciled.

    --Fr James F. Wathen

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    These new-sspx clerics who keep playing around with novus ordo churches and mixing-and-matching the True Rites with novus ordo rites/churches will be held accountable by God for their scandalous and lukewarm attitude towards the new religion, which is not of God, and which highly offends Him and Our Lady.  I would not want to be them on Judgement Day.
    But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth.
    [Apocalypse (Revelation) 3:16]

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    Re: +Tissier to Offer Confirmations in Novus Ordo Church
    « Reply #88 on: October 10, 2023, 08:48:34 AM »
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  • There are other problems connected to the New Mass, none of which is trivial. For one thing, the Novus Ordo Missae desecrates the church in which it is offered. Also, in my humble opinion, Communion in the Hand is another act of desecration, inflicted upon the Sacramental Body of Christ directly. The law requires that, once a church or oratory has been desecrated, Catholic services may not be held there until it is properly reconciled.

    --Fr James F. Wathen

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    These new-sspx clerics who keep playing around with novus ordo churches and mixing-and-matching the True Rites with novus ordo rites/churches will be held accountable by God for their scandalous and lukewarm attitude towards the new religion, which is not of God, and which highly offends Him and Our Lady.  I would not want to be them on Judgement Day.

    Agreed 100%.  I've never bought into Bishop Williamson's recent position that the NOM is only to be avoided because it's harmful to faith.  It's intrinsically sacrilegious.

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    « Reply #89 on: October 10, 2023, 09:27:07 AM »
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  • Long ago, what may be described as French ultramontane trads, accused the SSPX of being the “Controlled opposition” to Vatican II.

    And that Bp. Williamson played the role of the controlled opposition to the SSPX.

    That is, a split between the conservative and liberal SSPX factions would occur and his Lordship would eventually herd his remnant back to newChurch, in a roundabout way.

    HE’s recent change of heart on  Novus ordo Missae graces must make us wonder if the trad Frogs were right all along.

    After all, it was Bp. Williamson who essentially said: 

    “When the French have the Faith, they are the leading intellectuals of Holy Mother Church”
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi