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Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2019, 02:43:57 AM »
How long is the Resistance going to be meaninglessly focused on attacking the SSPX? In what positive way can the Resistance show that it is building up Tradition and contributing to the Cause of Catholic Restoration? Hardly any.

How about 200+ souls confirmed by Resistance Bishops in Colombia over the past three years as well as ordaining several priests in Brazil. In fact, the Resistance is probably running close to Campos in terms of number of priests ordained in Brazil over the same time period.



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Meanwhile, as the SSPX continues to focus on the really important work of forming Priests, fostering Vocations, caring for orphans, teaching children in schools, forming strong Catholic Families, and the like, there's a good fruit of so-called Trad-ecuмenism:


Sorry Xavier, but you're out of the loop. The SSPX, as did much of the Trad world began unraveling in the second half of the Aughts. The SSPX has been in a demographic adjusted decline in terms of vocations since at least the mid-2000's. The peak for SSPX vocations was from the mid-1980's to the mid-90's.



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If we combine the Society of St. Pius X, the Fraternity of St. Peter, and the Institute of Christ the King, Tradition is expected to have more Priests than mainstream Priests in France in just less than 20 years. https://centurioweblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/traditional-priests-in-france-until-2050.html?m=1

I've seen this repeated alot recently, that I'm making a thread addressing this claim. It might be skewering your view of things.

Wait for it … Wait for it...  


Here you go:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/2038-that-magical-french-date/

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2019, 07:44:19 AM »
However, I have an honest question, please hear me out:

Where do neutral groups fit in?
I think our Lord already answered this one:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot.  But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth."  (Apoc. 3:15-16)


Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2019, 03:03:13 PM »
Dear Caraffa, you may want to review this: "In all, 50 young men have answered God’s call and begun their preparation for the priesthood in the SSPX seminaries in Europe and North America. May they persevere for all six years of their formation, with the help of God’s grace and their daily fidelity to seminary life.

In March, the SSPX seminaries in Argentina and Australia welcomed 15 candidates in the spirituality year. In all, 65 first-year seminarians will have entered in the year 2018: almost a record, since it has been more than thirty years since the numbers were this high." https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/large-number-first-year-seminarians-sspx-41279

Anyway, I'm glad Resistance Bishops have been busily occupied doing what Catholic Bishops should do - Ordaining Priests and Confirming Catholics. That's the kind of thing it would be great to focus on more or even entirely. 

Where I'm from, the Consoling Sisters of the Sacred Heart, united with our SSPX Priests, focus most of their efforts on prayer, sacrifice, the sanctification of youth, teaching and looking after kids in school, and caring for abandoned children in the orphanage, and raising them in the Faith: I know God's Favour is on the SSPX, and there is every Mark of His signal Graces and His Presence in the SSPX apostolate. The SSPX is hardly interested in attacking the resistance, now nearly 7 years later; it may have written 7 articles on it, perhaps in these many years. There's much more important and serious work that needs to be done, and the SSPX is doing it.

Please see: https://fsspx.news/en/news-events/news/new-developments-consoling-sisters-sacred-heart-india-35110

I'll be sure to pop into your other thread later on, where we can do some number-crunching with expected retirement ages etc. 

Sincerely,
XavierSem.
God bless.

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2019, 05:49:32 PM »
Doesn't Mortalium Animos speak to this?
If I recall correctly, Mortalium Animos speaks of participating in the religious services of non-Catholics, particularly with the intent of establishing church unity, or trying to unite Christianity in some way other than by trying to convert non-Catholics to Catholicism (such as compromises, changing dogmas, etc.)

Its been awhile since I read it, but I don't believe Pius XI condemns working with non-Catholics or even non-Christians on "secular" endeavors like protecting the unborn (and I mean the word "secular' in the older sense of the word)

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2019, 07:34:55 PM »
If I recall correctly, Mortalium Animos speaks of participating in the religious services of non-Catholics, particularly with the intent of establishing church unity, or trying to unite Christianity in some way other than by trying to convert non-Catholics to Catholicism (such as compromises, changing dogmas, etc.)

Its been awhile since I read it, but I don't believe Pius XI condemns working with non-Catholics or even non-Christians on "secular" endeavors like protecting the unborn (and I mean the word "secular' in the older sense of the word)
Perhaps you are correct.  I could have sworn I remember some reference to unity regarding matters other than religion. 
As for the pro-life movement, I think that when Catholic and non-Catholics unite over this, there is a danger of misunderstanding that unity as a form of Christian unity.   As a result, I wonder whether it would fall under Mortalium Animos.