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Seminary Cornerstone
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 12:45:46 PM »
Quote from: Mea Culpa (Apr 22, 2013, 8:51 am)
If these 200-300 N.O. Bishops truly/honestly liked traditionalism so much as to send their seminarians to be trained by the SSPX, they could/would have left the N.O. by now and became traditionalists.

Not bl**dy likely.

First, there's the matter of defective or questionable Holy Orders.  Few Novus Ordo priests still alive today received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'ordination'.

Even fewer Novus Ordo bishops now alive received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'consecration'.  For a bishop nowadays to be younger than the 75 cited by the Novus Ordo for 'mandatory retirement, yet received a 'consecration' that was traditional, valid, and licit, he'd need to have been born no earlier than 1938, and consecrated before the end of 1969, thus traditionally 'consecrated' a bishop at an age no older than 31.  Unless the consecrating bishop somehow got away with refusing to use the New Ordinal after it became universally required, reportedly on Easter Sunday (April 6) in 1969.

Novus Ordo seminaries dropped their extensive required training in Latin decades ago, didn't they?  Yet a traditional priest is expected to be so fluent in Latin that he understands all the Latin words of the traditional Mass and other traditional rituals, not simply learns enough to pronounce them convincingly.  Right?

Consider what was reportedly a big majority of cardinals present at B. VXI's abdication announcement, who failed to understand what he said in Latin.  With Italian now a de facto substitute for Latin as the language of the Novus Ordo for various purposes, how how could Novus Ordo bishops be able to fulfill their official roles--per 'consecration'--as authoritative teachers & protectors of the traditional faith, whose original sources are written in Latin?

I suspect that despite the on-going scandals of numerous dioceses, and their resulting financial drain, practically all Novus Ordo bishops prefer the cash flow, customary certainties, and secular honors of being duke of a Novus Ordo duchy, to the financial uncertainty and secular rootlessness that would come with abandoning a Novus Ordo duchy to become a traditional bishop.  Especially given the Vatican policy of 'collegiality', whose de facto meaning seems to be that neither the Vatican, nor even the pope himself, has any disciplinary authority over bishops, no matter how scandalous their behavior or negligence.  This laissez faire operation seem likely to intensify under a new pope who reportedly considers himself merely the "Bishop of Rome".

Seminary Cornerstone
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 01:12:02 PM »
I have noticed that the Society always speaks about what is good, what might happen that would be good, and always speculates in a way favoring all the good fruits of "regularization".

Never a dose of the pitfalls that could destroy the Society and render it impotent in carrying out its mission.

How can the Faithful ever have a realistic reasoned opinion of such matters when the hear only one side.

This is certainly no accident.


Seminary Cornerstone
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 01:47:17 PM »
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.

Seminary Cornerstone
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 01:57:07 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.




Seminary Cornerstone
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 12:58:47 AM »
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: Wessex
Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.


Yes, and adding to this, that now the SSPX leaders will also be in a large financial debt in following this "fantasy", if not by the cost of building the new seminary (remember Bishop Fellay did receive the millions of dollars from the philanthropist banker), that the seminary will also hold a large dept of maintenance cost(s) to run that place and to keep up the grounds...who is going to pay for that.

So when you run a business, it's the operational costs that are the make it or break it for survival.