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FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
« on: May 04, 2013, 06:40:50 AM »
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  • FR. JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MARIAN CORPS

    ST. FIDELIS OF SIGMARINGEN

    Conference/Catechism on the Crisis of the SSPX

    Given @ Streaky Bay, AUSTRALIA
    24th April 2013

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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 01:43:11 PM »
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  • A great conference by Father Pfeiffer.

    He's becoming more skillful in his speaking.


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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 01:57:22 PM »
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  • It sounds like the neotrads sent a braying modernist to pester him during his talk.

    As though it's "nitpicking" to speak against the Vicar of Christ abasing himself and his office before infidels by washing their feet!

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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 03:30:23 PM »
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  • I'm about a half hour into the conference.  It's terrific.  As Tele says, Fr Pfeiffer has some neocat hecklers.  But that's not significant, what's significant is how he dealt with him.  I've noticed that the Resistance and Fr Pfeiffer especially are characterized as hyperbolic activists who spread rhetoric.  Twenty minutes of this talk will show just how great a concern and true pastoral spirit Fr Pfeiffer has.  
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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 04:36:44 PM »
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  • Excellent conference all the way around.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 04:49:39 PM »
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  • I already had a great respect for Fr. Pfeiffer, but having heard the way he dealt with the 3 Novus Ordo protesters, it is even higher now.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 12:53:22 PM »
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  • I am working my way through the conference.  Many thanks again to whose sharing these necessary videos.

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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 03:50:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It sounds like the neotrads sent a braying modernist to pester him during his talk.

    As though it's "nitpicking" to speak against the Vicar of Christ abasing himself and his office before infidels by washing their feet!


    Could very well be, Tele. Frankly, that whiny heckler with his phony "selective" outrage against Fr. Pfeiffer's impeccable doctrinal stand was getting on my nerves. It was clear to me that he came to the conference with his mind already made up, marked by that smug "Yes, but . . . " contentiousness so typical of a liberal drone or mouthpiece.

    Fr. Pfeiffer handled the situation like a true Pastor and teacher, being charitable to the guy but standing firm on his principles and backing them up point-by-point without getting disagreeable or defensive.

    When one has the truth on his side, one need not get all bent out of shape, huffing and puffing, and then threatening to somehow confiscate all recording devices in the room. Why the thuggery and heavy-handedness if it's only the truth?


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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2013, 01:00:10 PM »
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    Quote from: Telesphorus
    It sounds like the neotrads sent a braying modernist to pester him during his talk.

    As though it's "nitpicking" to speak against the Vicar of Christ abasing himself and his office before infidels by washing their feet!


    Could very well be, Tele. Frankly, that whiny heckler with his phony "selective" outrage against Fr. Pfeiffer's impeccable doctrinal stand was getting on my nerves. It was clear to me that he came to the conference with his mind already made up, marked by that smug "Yes, but . . . " contentiousness so typical of a liberal drone or mouthpiece.

    Fr. Pfeiffer handled the situation like a true Pastor and teacher, being charitable to the guy but standing firm on his principles and backing them up point-by-point without getting disagreeable or defensive.

    When one has the truth on his side,

    one need not get all bent out of shape, huffing and puffing, and then threatening to somehow confiscate all recording devices in the room. Why the thuggery and heavy-handedness if it's only the truth?



    Okay, I've missed a chapter somewhere -- who was getting
    "all bent out of shape, huffing and puffing, threatening to confiscate all recording
    devices in the room?"

    Was that something Fr. Rostand did?  Or, if not him, then was it Fr. Pfluger?

    Who threatened to confiscate recording devices:  Where? When?
    Any links to other threads on CI for that?



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    FR JOE PFEIFFER, SSPX MC - SSPX CRISIS - 24th Apr 13
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2013, 02:33:18 PM »
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    I already had a great respect for Fr. Pfeiffer, but having heard the way he dealt with the 3 Novus Ordo protesters, it is even higher now.


    This is the new school of hard knocks.  Fr. Pfeiffer has a long history of
    building up parishes and seeing other parishes built up by other priests, and
    then watching them being taken away by power grabs.  He saw the veritable
    empire that Fr. Bolduc acquired snatched away by the interlopers of Menzingen.
    He saw St. Isidore's whacked off like it was just another tree in the way of
    "progress."  

    That all these labors are not able to prevent him from continuing is a most
    edifying thing.  Anyone who can keep his spirits up, under such oppression
    has a resource greater than natural man's, and answering these pestering
    questions without being overly reactionary is a fruit of his experience in the
    front lines of battle.

    Quote from: John Grace
    I am working my way through the conference.  Many thanks again to whose sharing these necessary videos.


    This one is more than a one-session playback.  An hour and 56 minutes.  Take
    a 4-minute break in the middle and it's two hours.  

    It has some of the best material so far on the AFD, the Response to the 9-11
    Preamble, the Doctrinal Declaration.  I appreciate his description of what it is
    and what it came from and how it's not what they would lead you to believe
    that it is.  Starting at minute 35.

    Minute 40 begins the explanation of B16's 'hermeneutic of continuity' -

    What I found most remarkable is how Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer here describes a
    conversation he had with his own brother (min. 50), in which Fr. Timothy
    Pfeiffer was not willing to clearly answer his own brother's question:  

    "You say this new protocol is the minimum of what we can minimally accept.
    So let me ask you this question, Fr. Tim:  Do you accept that the Newmass
    is valid and legitimate?"  

    Answer:  "Well, it's not a good document; it has trouble in design, and the
    Pope didn't accept it."

    "So I asked him a second time:  Do You -- Accept -- That The Newmass -- Is
    VA-LID And LE-GI-TI-MATE? -- Which Is What It Says in this April Fifteenth
    Document [AFD] signed by Bishop Fellay?"

    Answer:  "Well, you know, look:  It didn't have to be retracted."  

    "He didn't say 'No'. He didn't say 'Yes'.  Staunch anti-Modernist all his life.

    "But now, the Superior has written document which is published in his March
    Cor Unum of 2013 -- he has written a document in which it says that the
    Newmass is 'legitimate'.  Can we accept that?  NO.  Why?  Because it's wrong.  
    Fr. Hannifin, our old pastor, had a better view of it. He said what's wrong with
    the Newmass is, that 'It's causing souls to go to hell.  That's what's wrong
    with it. Stop saying it!'
    That's what our old Irish priest said -- I heard him
    say that so many times, and he was never happy when he said it.  And the old,
    other priests  -- 'Father, why do I have to stop saying the Newmass, what's
    wrong with the Newmass??'  What's wrong with the Newmass? WHAT DO
    YOU MEAN WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT?  It's causing souls to go to HELL,
    that's what's wrong with it!  STOP SAYING IT!!
    And they would cry
    -- many of them would cry. But they did not disagree."


    Do you see what's going on here?  Fr. Pfeiffer is speaking in allegory here.  He
    is a poet and he is giving us what we need to know but it's up to us to see it.

    The other priests cried when they realized the news, that the Newmass was
    causing souls to go to hell, so they had to stop saying it.  How many of them
    were like the rich young man in Scripture who could not sell all that he had
    to come and follow Our Lord, and went away sad?  And what is happening now?
    Who else was there seeing those old priests cry when the boy Joseph Pfeiffer
    saw them, if not his own brother Tim?  And now, his own brother is making
    excuses for the Apostasy of Bishop Fellay (ABF), "THIS MOST GRAVE HERESY."  

    Only, this time, who is the one who cries?  Who is afraid he is losing his brother?
    Both Joe and Tim as young boys saw those old priests cry but they "did not
    disagree."  Now, Fr. Joe sees his own brother not cry but he DOES disagree!

    Fr. Joe saw the empire of Fr. Bolduc stolen in plain sight, and it made him sad.
    But he did not cry.  He saw the magnificent parish of St. Isidore that he built
    up with his own hands taken away from him and stolen in plain sight, but he
    did not cry.  Now he sees his own brother with whom he grew up being taken
    away from him.  Does he cry?  

    You tell me!

    What would you do?!
     

    God bless Fr. Joe Pfeiffer.




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