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Offline Ekim

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« on: April 22, 2013, 06:48:35 AM »
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  • Our Priest was at the laying of the corner stone for the new Seminary.  Yesterday he gave very brief highlights.

    1)    Bishop Fellay stated that if the Archbishop did not have the courage to Consecrate Bishops in 1988 the Traditional Latin Mass would be dead.
    2)   Because of negotiations with Rome by the SSPX, the Traditional Mass was freed By BXVI.  Now there are over 200 Novus Ordo Bishops who say the Latin Mass.  
    3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.

    Although our priest didn’t say this, it is hypothesized that the reason for  building such a monster seminary is b/c +Fellay is anticipating a union with apostate Rome.  If each one of these Bishops sends five Seminarians, which is not an unreasonable number, the SSPX could get 1000 seminarians from these Novus Ordo Bishops.  

    It is also hypothesized that 1000 new traditional priests a year, spread all around the world, would breathe new life into the Church like it has not seen in at least half a century.  This new diocese would then help fund this seminary so all the bills would be paid.

    Two points don’t add up.  1) If these Bishops are so inspired by their new found Catholic Tradition, why don’t they start teaching this in their seminaries now or simply send their candidates for ordination to an Fraternity of St. Peter seminary?  2) Does +Fellay not realize that the end never justifies the means?

    I would also note:  That like most SSPX priests these days, Our Priest did not mention the cost of such a recogniton by modernist Rome.  He did not speak of the dangers that such a compromise of the faith would have.  He did not mention how the Doctrinal Counter Offer of April 15, 2012 would destroy all the SSPX had stood for.  He only said that many of the 200 Bishops said they would like the SSPX to train their seminarians.  He did not say it, but he implied that this was a great thing!

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    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2013, 07:05:24 AM »
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  • Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2013, 07:25:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ekim
    Our Priest was at the laying of the corner stone for the new Seminary.  Yesterday he gave very brief highlights.

    1)    Bishop Fellay stated that if the Archbishop did not have the courage to Consecrate Bishops in 1988 the Traditional Latin Mass would be dead.
    2)   Because of negotiations with Rome by the SSPX, the Traditional Mass was freed By BXVI.  Now there are over 200 Novus Ordo Bishops who say the Latin Mass.  
    3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.



    My family was told much the same thing at our chapel. I thought our priest said 300 N.O. Bishops. Could be his French accent.


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    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2013, 07:51:55 AM »
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    3)   Many of these Bishops have contacted the SSPX saying that once they are recognized by Rome they would like to have their seminarians trained by the  SSPX.


    If these 200-300 N.O. Bishops truly/honestly liked traditionalism so much as to send their seminarians to be trained by the SSPX, they could/would have left the N.O. by now and became traditionalists.  

    No, that's not what Rome wants at all and they're not stupid.

    Once the neo-SSPX joins them, they'll make sure they will have a BIG say in what is and what shouldn't be taught at the semninary (it'll have to be a compromise if the neo-SSPX wants to be "normalized"). This will insure that the end product will result in a spoonful of the "old" teachings with a cupful of modernism/liberalism and thus the watering down process will begin.

    Liberalism is a sin.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 08:17:55 AM »
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  • I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 08:30:16 AM »
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  • Incredible.

    If the reason these Novus Ordo bishops were holding back was a mere matter of regularization, why have they not already sent these 1000 seminarians to the FSSP, ICK, IBP, etc?

    On the other hand, just imagine if it were true: What a dilution of tradition would occur by mixing Novus Ordo modernists (and plenty of homosexuals...take it from one who has been in a diocesan seminary) with convinced traditionalists!
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    « Reply #6 on: April 22, 2013, 08:40:54 AM »
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    I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.


    Since we're hoping......

    I hope Bp. Fellay humbly steps down as SG, gives a public apology to all the resistance priests/Bishop, demote/remove/dismiss his whole gang of thugs, and let a true leader of the Faith take control of this ship.

    The actual reality of this taking place......very unlikely to nil.  

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    « Reply #7 on: April 22, 2013, 09:53:07 AM »
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    I hope the new seminary is built, filled with seminarians, and directed by His Excellency Bishop Richard Williamson. Life is full of unexpected turns, as Menzugen is finding out these days.

    YES...From your lips to God's ears.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 22, 2013, 10:06:56 AM »
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    Incredible.

    If the reason these Novus Ordo bishops were holding back was a mere matter of regularization, why have they not already sent these 1000 seminarians to the FSSP, ICK, IBP, etc?

    On the other hand, just imagine if it were true: What a dilution of tradition would occur by mixing Novus Ordo modernists (and plenty of homosexuals...take it from one who has been in a diocesan seminary) with convinced traditionalists!


    If we on CI see right through this in one minute, rest assured that the just among the SSPX priests and faithful see it also. Not even the priest who made those comment believes what he is saying! If he is a just person, he will acknowledge instantly that his comment is foolish. If he is not a just person, and is just going along for his own promotion, he still knows that he is lying to himself.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 22, 2013, 12:16:53 PM »
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  • Ekim:
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    If these Bishops are so inspired by their new found Catholic Tradition, why don’t they start teaching this in their seminaries now or simply send their candidates for ordination to an Fraternity of St. Peter seminary?


    Who are these 200-300 bishops?  Have any of them commented publicly to date on their traditional beliefs, much less, expressed approval of the old Mass?  And since their is an Ecclesia dei structure already in place, why don't these bishops simply send their priestly candidates to one of the FSSP seminaries already in place, as Ekim asks?  

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    « Reply #10 on: April 22, 2013, 12:45:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mea Culpa (Apr 22, 2013, 8:51 am)
    If these 200-300 N.O. Bishops truly/honestly liked traditionalism so much as to send their seminarians to be trained by the SSPX, they could/would have left the N.O. by now and became traditionalists.

    Not bl**dy likely.

    First, there's the matter of defective or questionable Holy Orders.  Few Novus Ordo priests still alive today received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'ordination'.

    Even fewer Novus Ordo bishops now alive received Holy Orders that would not be dismissed--or at least questioned--as mere Novus Ordo 'installation' instead of traditional 'consecration'.  For a bishop nowadays to be younger than the 75 cited by the Novus Ordo for 'mandatory retirement, yet received a 'consecration' that was traditional, valid, and licit, he'd need to have been born no earlier than 1938, and consecrated before the end of 1969, thus traditionally 'consecrated' a bishop at an age no older than 31.  Unless the consecrating bishop somehow got away with refusing to use the New Ordinal after it became universally required, reportedly on Easter Sunday (April 6) in 1969.

    Novus Ordo seminaries dropped their extensive required training in Latin decades ago, didn't they?  Yet a traditional priest is expected to be so fluent in Latin that he understands all the Latin words of the traditional Mass and other traditional rituals, not simply learns enough to pronounce them convincingly.  Right?

    Consider what was reportedly a big majority of cardinals present at B. VXI's abdication announcement, who failed to understand what he said in Latin.  With Italian now a de facto substitute for Latin as the language of the Novus Ordo for various purposes, how how could Novus Ordo bishops be able to fulfill their official roles--per 'consecration'--as authoritative teachers & protectors of the traditional faith, whose original sources are written in Latin?

    I suspect that despite the on-going scandals of numerous dioceses, and their resulting financial drain, practically all Novus Ordo bishops prefer the cash flow, customary certainties, and secular honors of being duke of a Novus Ordo duchy, to the financial uncertainty and secular rootlessness that would come with abandoning a Novus Ordo duchy to become a traditional bishop.  Especially given the Vatican policy of 'collegiality', whose de facto meaning seems to be that neither the Vatican, nor even the pope himself, has any disciplinary authority over bishops, no matter how scandalous their behavior or negligence.  This laissez faire operation seem likely to intensify under a new pope who reportedly considers himself merely the "Bishop of Rome".


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    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2013, 01:12:02 PM »
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  • I have noticed that the Society always speaks about what is good, what might happen that would be good, and always speculates in a way favoring all the good fruits of "regularization".

    Never a dose of the pitfalls that could destroy the Society and render it impotent in carrying out its mission.

    How can the Faithful ever have a realistic reasoned opinion of such matters when the hear only one side.

    This is certainly no accident.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2013, 01:47:17 PM »
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    Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


    The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

    Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

    Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

    Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

    Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #13 on: April 22, 2013, 01:57:07 PM »
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    Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


    The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

    Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

    Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

    Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

    Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.




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    « Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 12:58:47 AM »
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    Because I believe for these priests the Society is their home wherever it ends up! The institution is more important than the faith! I guess the leadership decided that the market for its product would come from the conservative side of the conciliar church once a deal was struck. This investment will not be allowed to fail even if it pulls kids off streets.


    The seminary project looks like a disaster case study from a Business 101 class:  

    Ever businessman knows you never allow the accountant (bursar) to lead the corporation's marketing strategy.   It's common sense.

    Big business decision failures typically happen when a company does not have the correct checks & balances built into their organization.

    Bp. Fellay may be good at managing money, but did he consult with the Holy Ghost on his strategy to evangelize newChurch ?

    Whoever led Msgr. Fellay to this scheme was deceiving him. He bet the "SSPX farm" on a conciliar "New-Springtime" fantasy plan.


    Yes, and adding to this, that now the SSPX leaders will also be in a large financial debt in following this "fantasy", if not by the cost of building the new seminary (remember Bishop Fellay did receive the millions of dollars from the philanthropist banker), that the seminary will also hold a large dept of maintenance cost(s) to run that place and to keep up the grounds...who is going to pay for that.

    So when you run a business, it's the operational costs that are the make it or break it for survival.

     

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