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Sanford SSPX scandal
« on: September 06, 2025, 10:37:36 AM »
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  • I have seen Missouri court filings stating SSPX priest Father Duverger is living in Florida with an 18 year old girl. Father Pagliarani is visiting Sanford these days. What is going on with Sanford Fl SSPX?

    https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=24AE-CC00184&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT06#docket

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2025, 10:56:49 AM »
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  • I have seen Missouri court filings stating SSPX priest Father Duverger is living in Florida with an 18 year old girl. Father Pagliarani is visiting Sanford these days. What is going on with Sanford Fl SSPX?

    https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=24AE-CC00184&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT06#docket

    Not to be worldly or trite, but 18 years old is legal age in the United States.

    Yes, for a priest to be with any woman is a scandal. That goes without saying.
    But would the US courts get involved if a priest wanted to commit sins of sacrilege and sensuality? Those are not crimes in America (unfortunately) nor are they punishable by law.

    In America, the law of the land is "do what thou wilt" at least in relationship matters. It is legal to date, be intimate with, whoever and whatever you want, divorce, you name it.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2025, 11:02:49 AM »
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  • Not to be worldly or trite, but 18 years old is legal age in the United States.

    Yes, for a priest to be with any woman is a scandal. That goes without saying.
    But would the US courts get involved if a priest wanted to commit sins of sacrilege and sensuality? Those are not crimes in America (unfortunately) nor are they punishable by law.

    In America, the law of the land is "do what thou wilt" at least in relationship matters. It is legal to date, be intimate with, whoever and whatever you want, divorce, you name it.
    The issue at hand seems like SSPX lied about Fr Duverger. Lots of fishy stuff in Sanford

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2025, 11:05:03 AM »
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  • The issue at hand seems like SSPX lied about Fr Duverger. Lots of fishy stuff in Sanford

    Not the SSPX of old, this new sspx

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #4 on: September 06, 2025, 12:14:57 PM »
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  • Old or neoSspx?



    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/44589/kansas-investigating-sɛҳuąƖ-abuse-claims-in-breakaway-society-of-st-pius-x



    "...She told CNA she met with a priest of the society, Fr. Pierre Duverger, in Kansas City and in St. Mary's in late 2013 and early 2014, to talk about serial sɛҳuąƖ abuse committed against her by a family member while she was a child.  When she met with the priest, a decade had passed since the abuse, and Jacas was 22 years old.

    Jacas said Fr. Duverger soon began asking her..."
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2025, 12:36:28 PM »
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  • The issue at hand seems like SSPX lied about Fr Duverger. Lots of fishy stuff in Sanford

    But that's not illegal either, even if sinful and immoral and unethical ... unless you're under oath, committing perjury, etc.

    So if Fr. Duverger were, say, living in a consensual situation with an 18-year-old and SSPX lied about it .. while that would discredit SSPX and Fr. Duverger, neither of those would be illegal or end up in the courts.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2025, 12:37:51 PM »
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  • Old or neoSspx?

    How is that Jacas situation related to this?  At no point did Jacas say that Fr. Duverger ever touched her or do anything more than ask what she considered to be inappropriate questions.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #7 on: September 06, 2025, 01:28:37 PM »
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  • How is that Jacas situation related to this?  At no point did Jacas say that Fr. Duverger ever touched her or do anything more than ask what she considered to be inappropriate questions.
    I imagined that if Fr. Pierre Duverger's name was on this Alias Summons, maybe somehow it involved an event from way back.  But now I see that Stephen Sanborn is on the docket : 7/07/2025
     Different kettle of fish, but fishy regardless.
    I'm not following too clearly, so is this at all in the matter at hand?
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    https://catholicconfidential.substack.com/p/lawsuit-shows-sspx-obedience-to-1983

    "...The lawsuit claims that the SSPX placed Duverger (a cleric previously under restrictions for past accusations involving women) under the authority of Rostand (a known child predator and now convicted child molester), and that the SSPX should have known they would fail to supervise one another..."



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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #8 on: September 06, 2025, 01:36:32 PM »
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  • Lawsuit Shows SSPX Obedience to 1983 Pro-Pedophile Law Led to Pervert Priests Breaking-up Family of Eight
    Kansas City, Missouri Lawsuit Exposes Grave Danger to Families Caused by SSPX Governance, Canon Law & Current Policy - by James Grein, Matthew David

    Bill Wilson
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    Fr. Arnaud Rostand, previous US District Superior of the SSPX and a convicted child molester, and his assistant, alleged-pervert Fr. Pierre Duverger, are both named in a just-filed tortious lawsuit by aggrieved father of six, Stephen Sanborn. They are charged with causing harm that directly caused the breakup of the family of eight.
    The SSPX’s Biggest Problem 
    While the court will determine the merits of the case, it should be stated in the beginning of this article that had the SSPX rejected the 1983 Code of Canon Law—like other traditionalist groups—this situation would not have happened. Put another way, had the SSPX instead chosen the approach of long-standing, traditional Catholic justice, the priests in question would never have arisen to the high office of US District Superior, nor would they have been reassigned following charges of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct. 
    Unlike other traditional groups who reject the 1983 Code of Canon Law mentioned in our previous report (such as groups led by Bishops Meikle, Sanborn, and Vigano), the SSPX claims obedience to the Roman Pontiff and their adoption of Vatican II’s justice system via the 1983 Code. This portion of Canon Law (c. 1341, c. 1321), directly protects admitted predators like Rostand and alleged perpetrators like Duverger. But, the SSPX picks and chooses when and how they submit to Rome regarding the 1983 Code. For example, when adjudicating annulments (c. 1065), the SSPX voluntarily rejects portions of the law. And when deciding the fate of perverts and pedophiles, the sections of the 1983 Canon Code which seek to “rehabilitate and heal” sɛҳuąƖ predators instead of removing them, are applied. 
    Accusations of schism against the SSPX abound, but ironically it is their precise obedience to the Holy Father in applying the 1983 Code of Canon Law that permits repeat offenders of sex crime to remain in their ministry.
    “Hence it follows that what constitutes the substantial ‘novelty’ of the Second Vatican Council, in line with the legislative tradition of the Church, especially in regard to ecclesiology, constitutes likewise the ‘novelty’ of the new Code.” - St. John Paul II, Sacrae Disciplinae Leges, January 25th, 1983
    This journalist has pleaded with the SSPX administration, priests, and leadership to immediately start protecting the faithful from predatory clerics and reject this damnable section of the 1983 (and 2021 update) Code of Canon law.
    The Lawsuit's Allegations 
    The lawsuit, initiated by Sanborn following the loss of his family, reveals disturbing details about the roles of Fr. Duverger and then US District superior, Fr. Rostand. Fr. Duverger was the family’s confessor when the offenses allegedly happened. He is accused of maligning the husband during pastoral counseling and spending long hours alone, at night with the plaintiff’s wife, and subsequently directing the father to leave the home. In addition, now-convicted child molester Fr. Rostand spent time with Sanborn’s wife and children at the family home while Sanborn was gone, further encouraging damage to the marriage. Distressed and rightfully worried for the safety of his children, Sanborn had to instruct Fr. Rostand to stop coming to his home and hanging out with his wife and kids while their father was away. The lawsuit claims that the SSPX placed Duverger (a cleric previously under restrictions for past accusations involving women) under the authority of Rostand (a known child predator and now convicted child molester), and that the SSPX should have known they would fail to supervise one another. 
    History of Rostand and Duverger
    On April 4th, 2024, in Gap, France, Rostand was convicted of molesting seven children on scouting trips to Switzerland, France, and Spain between 2002 and 2018. 
    Accusations against Fr. Duverger are well reported in Catholic media, but he has not been convicted of a crime.
    For context, it is helpful to see what accusations former Church Militant journalist Christine Niles detailed against Fr. Duverger. In her spotlight investigation, Niles shows through witness testimony and images, that accusations against him involved the confessional, inappropriate relations with at least one soon-to-be married woman, alleged inappropriate statements to at least one 12-year-old, and selfies Duverger would send to women he was counseling at night with requests they call him “daddy” (see image below from Church Militant & Christine Niles prior work, Spotlight: SSPX Cover-Up Continues”): 




    Niles currently has her own website, Stella Maris Media. You can watch an entire video on Duverger’s checkered past made by Niles here: (minute mark 4:55:)

    For counterpoint on Rostand, journalist Kennedy Hall published a defense of how the SSPX handled Rostand. Rostand says that he warned the SSPX that he was a child predator in writing on four separate occasions over twenty years. Hall says that the public ought not to take Rostand at his word. Hall holds the position that because Rostand is a convicted child molester and did not produce docuмents, we should not believe this claim.
    Included in the defense was an interview of SSPX Canadian District Superior Fr. Sherry by Hall. Hall and Fr. Sherry acknowledged that the 1983 Code of Canon Law is soft on crime. Although both agree the new code is problematic, neither stated that the SSPX should stop using it.
    Fr. Sherry does suggest that new legislation was issued to correct the issues with the 1983 Code, but this is not entirely true. Problem canons (c. 1341 & c. 1321) are still there, nearly verbatim. Furthermore, the “new” c. 1321 now adds even greater protection for perpetrators in the 2021 update to the Code of Canon Law from Pope Francis.

    LifesiteNews author and journalist Stephen Kokx published an article in response to Niles' reporting. In the article, Kokx received comment from the SSPX detailing how Fr. Duverger was denied a trial (even though he requested one) and was given a softer discipline instead—consistent with the 1983 Code of Canon Law, c. 1341 and c. 1321.
    Below is a screenshot of Kokx’s reporting.




    Impact on the Family 
    Sanborn’s narrative extends beyond legal battles to personal anguish. The lawsuit states that Fr. Duverger’s influence led to false accusations of abuse against Sanborn by his wife, driven by Duverger’s manipulation. The lawsuit indicates that Fr. Duverger had a no-boundary relationship with plaintiffs' wife, involving meetings late at night at the US District House (Regina Caeli House of the SSPX). During this time, the US District House issued an exceptionally rare Church move known as a canonical separation to Sanborn, whereby they ask that a husband and wife live separately. This was especially hard for the family’s six children. Duverger’s ongoing inappropriate counseling relationship with Sanborn’s wife, following the “canonical separation” of husband and wife prescribed by the SSPX, further strained the marriage and led it to breakdown. 
    Seeking Justice and Reform 
    Sanborn's lawsuit aims to hold the SSPX accountable and seeks compensatory, statutory, and punitive damages for torts of fraud, malice, and failure to supervise, among other charges. This case underscores the pressing need for justice and systemic reform within the Catholic Church where it adheres to the modern code of Canon Law. The modern code explicitly seeks to “heal” predators instead of removing them from the priesthood.  Discovery will yield the full history of Rostand and Duverger as legal proceedings unfold. 
    Fr. Rostand is currently in jail, serving a light, one-year sentence for his conviction of molesting seven children. Fr. Duverger is still in full ministry and traveling with a pack of children to Alaska for an adventure. 
    Sanborn’s lawsuit against Fr. Rostand, Fr. Duverger, and the SSPX memorializes the SSPX’s biggest problem and brings it to circuit court for litigation. This situation involving convicted child molester Rostand and alleged womanizer Duverger demonstrates how the SSPX commitment to "the final docuмent of Vatican II” (St. John Paul II, 11/21/1983), the 1983 Code of Canon Law, directly places their followers at risk.
    Authors note: while the 1983 Code of Canon Law publicly codified healing predators of all kinds instead of removing them from the priesthood, the practice first secretly began in 1922 with a docuмent called Crimens Sollicitationis, which specifically dealt with criminal pedophiles, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, zoophiles, and clerics who committed sex crimes in the confessional. Crimens was in force until 2001.
    To find out more about which laws and docuмents have resulted in the Catholic hierarchy retaining and restoring perpetrators to ministry, research the docuмent Crimens Sollicitationis, author and lawyer Kieran Tapsell, and read our previous work here:
    Three Traditional Bishops Protect The Faithful, Reject Pro-Pedophile Canon Law (substack.com)
    Below are some of the best source docuмents describing how imputability (c. 1321) decreases punishment for pedophiles to nothing, or to a penance in the 1983 Code of Canon Law (Canon Law Letter & Spirit, 1995, Canon Law Society of Great Britain and Ireland, pg. 805).




    This portion of the same canon law commentary exploring Canon 1341 (pg. 770) details how Bishops are not to punish evildoers, if possible, with the new code.
    “In a situation where a person has behaved in a reprehensible fashion, the law urges caution: penalties are to be imposed only as a last resort. When the Ordinary is made aware of such behavior, he is to seek to redress the situation by fraternal correction or by a more formal reproof, or by some other means of pastoral care. He is obliged to explore every reasonable measure whereby, without having recourse to penal action, a satisfactory pastoral resolution may be found.”
    The same portion says: “Vat. II which itself introduced a new outlook and a new spirit into the penal law of the Church”, where punishment is “a last resort”.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2025, 01:40:18 PM »
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    On April 4th, 2024, in Gap, France, Rostand was convicted of molesting seven children on scouting trips to Switzerland, France, and Spain between 2002 and 2018.

    Do you know, I had almost forgotten that Fr. Rostand was convicted of sɛҳuąƖ abuse recently! That's how much coverage it got.
    It made a small splash on CathInfo for a couple weeks, and that was it.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #10 on: September 06, 2025, 01:41:46 PM »
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  • https://www.complicitclergy.com/2024/04/12/society-of-st-pius-x-priest-admits-to-years-of-sɛҳuąƖ-misconduct-with-minors/

    Society of St. Pius X Priest Admits to Years of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Misconduct with Minors
    April 12, 2024 TagssɛҳuąƖ Abuse from Catholic World Report by AC Wimmer
    At a hearing for a criminal trial in France, a priest of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) who spent six years in the U.S. has admitted to sɛҳuąƖ misconduct with French minors over a period of 15 years, local media reported Sunday.
    Speaking at the criminal court in the city of Gap in southeastern France, Father Arnaud Rostand on April 4 admitted to the accusations, according to La Provence newspaper, saying: “I ask for forgiveness from the victims and deeply regret everything I have done.”
    The 58-year-old is charged with misconduct against seven boys, often during church-related activities like scout camps in France, Spain, and Switzerland, the paper said, noting the abuse allegedly took place over a 15-year period between 2002 and 2018.
    During that time, the priest held several roles, including that of a school principal in France, but also served as U.S. district superior from 2008 to 2014. In a “farewell letter” published in July 2014 but no longer linked on the current website, he announced his departure from that role, writing he had been assigned to manage communications for the society from its general house in Menzingen, Switzerland.
    In a statement published April 5 on its website, the SSPX expressed deep regret over the abuse.
    Continue reading at Catholic World Report

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #11 on: September 06, 2025, 02:52:54 PM »
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  • Not to downplay the significance of the SSPX adhering to bad 1983 laws or how bad the crimes are especially for priests to commit, but the fact that there are 2 different priests involved with the same family makes me wonder if Sanborn's wife was part of the cause.
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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #12 on: September 06, 2025, 03:51:07 PM »
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  • So, I find this writeup to be extremely dishonest ... since it's blending the issue of Fr. Rostand's crimes and the allegations against Fr. Duverger (weak), with the breakup of the family.

    I suspect that Sanborn is using it as additional ammunition for his lawsuit, just as women often make up allegations of abuse during divorce proceedings, etc.

    So, let's put he well-covered (and poorly covered, by people like Niles, who literally made stuff up since she hates Traditional Catholicism -- and she certainly knew about Voris' recidivism into sodomy long before she finally resigned, probably only because she was a rat trying to jump ship just before it sank, and yet where was her investigation of Voris' sodomitical past and his "threat to children" etc.?) ...

    but after this digression onto Niles, whom I absolutely cannot stand, who's insufferable in many ways, moreso than even Voris ...

    let's try to disentangle the SSPX wrecking families, which appears to be more and more common these days, where the SSPX are playing "White Knight" and taking the side of disgruntled women and justifying many of their feminist attitudes.  Of course, the women will claim that I am justifying "abuse" ... yet they can look at the threads where I denounced those advocating corporal punishment of wives, but the issues manifested itself most egregiously in a piece of trash put out there by Father Adam Purdy SSPX in an interview given to LifeSite News.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-catholic-priest-says-effeminate-men-are-the-root-problem-in-marriages

    Absolutely absurd.  While Pudy denounces lack of leadership from men as the cause of most problems in marriages (I dispute that and my experience is that it's feminist attitudes from women ... that SSPX promote), so, according to Purdy, it's almost always the men who are at fault in not making sure that the "rules are followed", but then ironically in the second part of the article denounces men who think of wives "more as one to be told what to do rather than to mutually enhance each other".  Not only do I want to stick the old finger down the back of my throat with the "mutually enhance" lingo, but this gives ammunition to the feminsts who refuse to be "told what to do", as he characterizes that as an "abuse of the idea of the authority of the husband".

    So, now, according to Purdy, who's engaging in a nauseatingly effeminate and obsequious "White Knight"-ing to the wives declares that a husband who, at the end of the day, expects a woman to do what she's told is abusing the notion of authority.

    Obviously, this type of attitude of JUST thinking of a wife as a servant and an order-taker, taken to an extreme, can lead to tyrannnical husbands, and there are some of those out there, but after demanding that husbands show leadership and make sure rules are followed, and blaming their failure to do so on most of the trouble in familities, he completely pulls the rug out of under them and UNDERMINES their leadership, by declaring it an abuse of authority to expect the wife to do as she's told, i.e. to be obedient to her husband at the end of the day.  AT NO POINT does Purdy address the plague of women who think they cannot be told what to do.  I know "Traditional" wife, attending SSPX chapels, who constantly deride their husbands for "countermanding" them ... if they don't agree with something they've ordered, and actuall if they don't obey what they have commanded themselves.  In other words, not a few "Tradwives" expect obedience from their husbands rather than the other way around.  That's a massive plague in a society that's permeated with misandry and the derision of "toxic masculinity", etc. ... and IMO it's THE chief cause of problems in families, hands down.  Not only does Purdy not address it, but he throws gasoline onto the fire that's wrecking most families.

    Only the most monstrous of men would not absolutely love, cherish, adore, and put on a pedestal, a wife who shows respect, deference, and obedience ... and who refuses to nag her husband or try to exact his compliance.  That's only natural.  Yes, there's an occasional brute that would abuse such a woman even, but they're in the very small minority.  It's just male instinct to want to protect, to care for ... it's why men get up and give up their seats to ladies, in church, on buses, and why they hold doors for them, etc.

    You know, there are so many paradoxes in the spiritual life, so that those who wish to be first will be last, or those who seek their lives will lose it.  Here's another case.  I am convinced that 99% of husbands, if they had wives who were humble, respectful, deferential, never exerted themselves, nagged, bug lovingly obeyed their husband, I am convinced that 99% percent of husbands would worship the grounds such a woman walked on and, in fact, her every request they would take as a command.  In other words, they would COMMAND their husband's service by posturing themselves as THEIR servants.  Ironic.  Instead, they try to command by nagging, by disobeying ... and then get the exact opposite.

    THEN ... Purdy also claims that many problems arise because women come home from work and don't understand how tough the wife has had it all day, and that she needs help with the household chores.  In other words, after the husband comes home from work, possibly exhausted himself, he's also supposed to play Mr. Mom at home.

    Now, these generalizations are not only not helpful, but they're incredibly pernicious and destructive.  EACH CASE has to be evaluated independently, where in some cases, indeed, the husband is a tyrant, and perhaps doesn't help at home enough, but I've seen JUST AS MANY CASES where the husband works long days, sometimes multiple jobs, is ready to drop, and then gets a tongue-lashing from the resident feminist over how hard she's had it, doesn't get enough help around the house ... after she had sat around spending at least 6-8 hours watching TV and streaming videos.

    So, in some cases, the husband/father is more at fault, but in other cases, it's mostly the wife/mother ... but Purdy takes a wrecking ball to families here by almost unilaterally blaming men, taking up the cause of the feminists, empowering and encouraging them to defy their husbands, and if there are problems in families, according to Purdy, it's nearly always the man who's at a fault.

    THIS IS THE TYPE OF CRAP that SSPX are pushing what is wrecking families.  Reminds of the obsequious Novus Ordites who are always bending over backwards to over-dignify women in some kind of defensive guilt for the fact that women can't hold authority in the Church.  Same thing here, where Purdy is trying to hard to overly-idealize women, putting them up on some imaginary pedestal, that then men must bow before, thereby empowering the feminists who want to disobey and disrespect their husbands.  "You can't just tell me what to do.  Even SSPX priest says that it's an abuse of authority for you to do that.  Father Pudy here says that you can't be lazy [after working 12 hours digging ditches] but have to take on the household chores while I relax after my hard day [of watching TV and streaming videos for 6 hours]."

    I'm sure this kind of crap is behind the break of Sanborn's family by SSPX.  BUT he knows that the courst would eat up Purdy's man-blaming, so he's trying to conflate that with Rostand's and Duverger's checkered pasts, since bring up crimes against children along with Catholicism could poison a jury against them.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #13 on: September 06, 2025, 03:53:09 PM »
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  • Not to downplay the significance of the SSPX adhering to bad 1983 laws or how bad the crimes are especially for priests to commit, but the fact that there are 2 different priests involved with the same family makes me wonder if Sanborn's wife was part of the cause.

    1000% she's part of the problem, if not THE problem.  What those who were doing were undoubtedly taking her side similar to the link above from LifeSite in the interview with Fr. Purdy SSPX.  Sadly, there's an unfortunate tendency especially for celibates to put women too high up on pedestals, and now that the SSPX have become slaves of human respect toward modern social sensibilities, on top of everything else, they're jumping on the feminist bandwagon and doing their part to denounce "toxic masculinity".

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    Re: Sanford SSPX scandal
    « Reply #14 on: September 06, 2025, 03:54:52 PM »
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  • I know of two cases in the same SSPX chapel, where women divorced their husbands, completely unjustly ... and were given positions at SSPX chapels, teaching at the school, being a school secretary, and other responsibilities.  Both of the husbands compained to me, shaking their heads, that SSPX is the place to go for women who want to divorce their husbands.