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Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
« Reply #105 on: Yesterday at 05:58:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 05:39:55 AM
    Certainly. While I do not think the Recusant would be flat out lying about this, it's definitely a possibility that those with them took advantage of Fr Onuorah in some way..manipulating his view of the Resistance, +Williamson, etc. AFAIK the few Resistance priests in Nigeria are more or less on their own, it might not be easy for them to get an honest picture of the current state of Tradition,..especially when faced with a some sort of organized anti-"fake resistance" crusade by the "true" resistance

    I agree. I do not think the Recusant would simply invent something like this completely, but at the same time it wouldn't be out of character for them to overstate or frame the situation more decisively than the facts really are.

    From Fr Onuorah's own letter what is clear is his disagreement with some of +Williamson's positions but what is less clear is whether this amounts to any sort of realignment or joining with the "true" resistance - especially compared to what the headline claims.

    Both are plausible so what we need is some clarity all around
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    Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
    « Reply #106 on: Yesterday at 06:20:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on January 06, 2026, 07:41:27 PM
    PV, do you know the status of Fr. Chigbata now that Fr. Onuorah has apparently renounced the "Fake Resistance" and +Williamson?
    Let's not go creating strife where none exists.

    There is nothing whatsoever in that letter from Fr Onuorah that changes his allegiance to anyone or anything.

    He simply states an opinion that most priests and faithful of the Resistance shared at the time Bishop Williamson made those unfortunate comments, and which he subsequently admitted where mistaken.

    See my post on the other thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-joseph-onuorah-joins-the-resistance!/msg1013872/?topicseen#msg1013872
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    Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
    « Reply #107 on: Yesterday at 07:11:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 06:20:19 AM
    Let's not go creating strife where none exists.

    There is nothing whatsoever in that letter from Fr Onuorah that changes his allegiance to anyone or anything.

    He simply states an opinion that most priests and faithful of the Resistance shared at the time Bishop Williamson made those unfortunate comments, and which he subsequently admitted where mistaken.

    See my post on the other thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-joseph-onuorah-joins-the-resistance!/msg1013872/?topicseen#msg1013872
    Not in the letter, no. I think it is great, and I agree with it. But the Recusant's commentary is concerning:

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    Here is some joyous news for which to thank God. Shortly before Christmas a priest left the Fake Resistance to be a part of the real thing [...]Since becoming aware of Bp. Williamson’s teachings and their contradiction of all things Traditional, he has taken the brave and selfless step of volunteering to join Fr. Hewko, Fr. Ruiz,Fr. Rafael, Fr. Vargas, Fr. Srtenovic, you and I and all the others here in “outer darkness” -where the “respectable” and the self-interested fear to tread!

    Is there any truth in this, that Fr. has "[volunteered] to join Fr. Hewko" and has "left the Fake [sic] Resistance"?
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    Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
    « Reply #108 on: Yesterday at 10:46:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on December 23, 2025, 05:05:06 PM
    The "cause" grows as the months pass...buy this land, only $15K more (right), pay for this wall, on and on and on...and one appeal is followed by another, and another, etc.  Throw your money wherever you want, but any sensible man would have already realized that such an investment, especially in 2025, is unwise and it'd be better to use whatever limited resources you have for something else.  Maybe I am a curmudgeon, but these endless appeals at this moment in time seem out of touch with the fiscal reality of the world and anything sensible.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-sermons/fr-chazal-nov-9-2013-ad-vatican-ii-is-anti-gospel-from-yout-englishtext/msg1002540/#msg1002540

    "...dwelling of heaven, just as, when we have triumphed and find ourselves in these beautiful churches, one can say like King Clovis did; he said on Christmas Day: 'Ah, it's magnificent! I have already arrived in Paradise!' Clovis, he was straightforward, (...), he did not hide his emotions, so when he with his Franks were in the Church of Saint Remi, he frankly felt like he was in Paradise.

      And that's why we build the churches -  will continue to build until the end of the world, even if tomorrow morning is the end of the world, tonight I will continue to build a beautiful church, to buy beautiful priestly ornaments, a beautiful chalice, and all that, even if tomorrow morning is the end of the world. Since the idea is what our Lord does with Zachaeus, that is: He settles in his house— He comes to settle in the house of a poor sinner, to save him.

      And if, if the good Lord deigns to come to us like that, then it is up to us to take care of Him as much as we can and to share our goods, to spend our resources, to expend our efforts so that the good Lord is well established,..."

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    We can't fathom the glories of Heaven, as St Paul wrote, but we can desire them; whatever we do we should do for the glory of God, and Ste Thérèse adds: "Do everything with love." God is not a mathematician - He gives back 100X.

    Holy Christmastide friends. PAX+


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    Re: Gregorian Mass Opportunity to Support Nigerian Mission
    « Reply #109 on: Yesterday at 12:24:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 07:11:23 AM
    Not in the letter, no. I think it is great, and I agree with it. But the Recusant's commentary is concerning:

    Is there any truth in this, that Fr. has "[volunteered] to join Fr. Hewko" and has "left the Fake [sic] Resistance"?


    Agreed - that is precisely what we need clarified
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    Re: Help Build the Resistance Church in Nigeria
    « Reply #110 on: Yesterday at 11:10:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 07:11:23 AM
    Not in the letter, no. I think it is great, and I agree with it. But the Recusant's commentary is concerning:

    Is there any truth in this, that Fr. has "[volunteered] to join Fr. Hewko" and has "left the Fake [sic] Resistance"?
    Thank you WA and LE, I didn't see that.

    Mr Taylor really is a trouble maker isn't he? Indeed, he as much as admits that he is leading Fr Onuorah into darkness. At least he has some insight into his evil behaviour.

    No doubt Father is in good faith and doesn't know anything of the history here.

    I'll talk to him and let you know his response. I really don't think you are going to see him sever his ties with the bishops of the Resistance to join a band of trouble makers with no future.
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    Re: Help Build the Resistance Church in Nigeria
    « Reply #111 on: Today at 09:13:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 11:10:57 PM
    Thank you WA and LE, I didn't see that.

    Mr Taylor really is a trouble maker isn't he? Indeed, he as much as admits that he is leading Fr Onuorah into darkness. At least he has some insight into his evil behaviour.

    No doubt Father is in good faith and doesn't know anything of the history here.

    I'll talk to him and let you know his response. I really don't think you are going to see him sever his ties with the bishops of the Resistance to join a band of trouble makers with no future.

    This is positive to hear, thank you
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    Re: Help Build the Resistance Church in Nigeria
    « Reply #112 on: Today at 11:05:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on Yesterday at 11:10:57 PM
    Thank you WA and LE, I didn't see that.

    Mr Taylor really is a trouble maker isn't he? Indeed, he as much as admits that he is leading Fr Onuorah into darkness. At least he has some insight into his evil behaviour.

    No doubt Father is in good faith and doesn't know anything of the history here.

    I'll talk to him and let you know his response. I really don't think you are going to see him sever his ties with the bishops of the Resistance to join a band of trouble makers with no future.
    Thank you PV :pray:
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