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Offline MaterDominici

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« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2015, 07:58:54 PM »
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  • For the record, Mr. K, Matthew is busy working which is why I get to supervise your nonsense. Please don't post unless you can do so respectfully.

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    « Reply #31 on: September 29, 2015, 08:16:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    nonsense


    I apologize, as what you have to say isn't necessarily nonsense, but it lacked substance. What is it that you've seen that disproves the accusations being made by others? (not by Matthew, btw, he's never been to Boston, KY) What we have is a he said - she said and the only details put forth from first-hand accounts here haven't been very pretty.

    We all know Frs. Hewko and Pfeiffer and most of us have given them substantial amounts of support. Most here think they are good priests who are capable of great things with only a few exceptions that are unfortunately very serious issues.


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    « Reply #32 on: October 01, 2015, 10:27:50 AM »
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  • This whole situation is very saddening to say the least as we all know. This may sound very silly and foolish but I wonder if Pablo has "something" on Father Pfeiffer? A secret of some sorts perhaps? It just really boggles my mind that after all that is taking place, Father Pfeiffer hasn't applied any fraternal correction to Pablo on any level...to say the least.
    Does anyone know the history of their relationship? We're they childhood friends and Father Pfeiffer feels compelled to keep Pablo around? I know that Father Timothy Pfeiffer is all the way across the world, but it would be interesting if he had any insight on all this because this is truly becoming some sort of twilight zone.
     
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    « Reply #33 on: October 01, 2015, 10:53:14 AM »
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  • Montfort:
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    This whole situation is very saddening to say the least as we all know. This may sound very silly and foolish but I wonder if Pablo has "something" on Father Pfeiffer? A secret of some sorts perhaps? It just really boggles my mind that after all that is taking place, Father Pfeiffer hasn't applied any fraternal correction to Pablo on any level...to say the least.


    I have wondered the same thing.  Earlier, I wondered what kind of a similar hold Max Krah might have on Bp. Fellay.  It occurred to me then that Krah and his tribal associates might know something damaging about the Superior General of SSPX, which the latter would not care to have revealed.  It's all speculation, of course, and I make no specific accusations.  But it is rather puzzling.

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    « Reply #34 on: October 01, 2015, 11:10:29 AM »
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  • In Fr. Pfeiffer's case, I think it's just an emotional promise (vow?) he made to try to convert Pablo before he dies. Hence his epic and common-sense defying amounts of patience with him. That's all it would take.

    But Father's common sense isn't very common. You don't allow an evil associate to LITERALLY show pornography to your seminarians, and work all sorts of evil, causing damage to souls and your apostolate, while you fulfill some emotional vow you made to "do my utmost to convert him".

    That's foolish behavior. Might not be malicious, but it's certainly foolish.

    It's not about losing patience with a soul (like Pablo) or leaving him to the devil -- it's about taking care of the souls God entrusted to you. If someone is causing spiritual harm, you MUST cut them off and out of your life. It's not a choice.

    It's about doing God's will rather than one's own. And I assure you, it's God's will that Fr. Pfeiffer throw Pablo out on the street, cold-turkey.

    Pablo has free will. If he wants to be damned, that is his choice. But you can't have "infinite" patience with him, regardless of how he destroys your important Catholic apostolate and/or countless souls.

    Does Fr. Pfeiffer have ANY reason, or is he ALL emotion?

    Our Lord even spoke about this -- if your eye or your hand scandalize thee, CUT IT OFF and cast it from thee.



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    « Reply #35 on: October 01, 2015, 12:09:57 PM »
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    In Fr. Pfeiffer's case, I think it's just an emotional promise (vow?) he made to try to convert Pablo before he dies. Hence his epic and common-sense defying amounts of patience with him. That's all it would take.


    Well, whatever "emotional promise" Father might have made to Pablo,  this speculative "promise," while, perhaps, protecting Pablo against the day of his death, severely damages and hurts a lot of other souls in the meantime.  I read Psalm 57:4 today:

    "The wicked are alienated from the womb, they have gone astray from the womb:  they have spoken false things."

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    « Reply #36 on: October 01, 2015, 01:53:47 PM »
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  • The house in Phoenix has been sold.

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    « Reply #37 on: October 02, 2015, 07:21:34 AM »
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    This whole situation is very saddening to say the least as we all know. This may sound very silly and foolish but I wonder if Pablo has "something" on Father Pfeiffer? A secret of some sorts perhaps? It just really boggles my mind that after all that is taking place, Father Pfeiffer hasn't applied any fraternal correction to Pablo on any level...to say the least.


    I have wondered the same thing.  Earlier, I wondered what kind of a similar hold Max Krah might have on Bp. Fellay.  It occurred to me then that Krah and his tribal associates might know something damaging about the Superior General of SSPX, which the latter would not care to have revealed.  It's all speculation, of course, and I make no specific accusations.  But it is rather puzzling.


    A perfectly reasonable speculation at that, considering that blackmail and extortion of that sort is the stock and trade of the tribal associates since time immemorial.


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    « Reply #38 on: October 02, 2015, 08:04:52 AM »
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    This may sound very silly and foolish but I wonder if Pablo has "something" on Father Pfeiffer?


    Not silly at all; I've long wondered about this.  If it isn't some information with which to blackmail him, it could be some other form of control (related to the black arts he's known to dabble in).

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    « Reply #39 on: October 02, 2015, 08:09:53 AM »
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    You don't allow an evil associate to LITERALLY show pornography to your seminarians, and work all sorts of evil, causing damage to souls and your apostolate, while you fulfill some emotional vow you made to "do my utmost to convert him".


    Absolutely.  If Father Pfeiffer wanted to absorb some harm personally in the interests of converting Pablo, that's his choice.  But when he's allowing spiritual harm to OTHERS over whom he has charge, then he's crossed the line.  He's under strict obligation to dismiss Pablo.

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    « Reply #40 on: October 02, 2015, 01:26:01 PM »
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  • 1. He has somehow managed to get himself placed in charge of operations in Boston, KY 

    My Response: He is only in charge in the sense that others have dropped the ball. There are so many who want to be in charge in name only, yet do little or nothing to actually help out the seminary. I have seen those who come to assist the seminary complain that they have to work.

    Pablo butts heads with those who show up, expecting everything handed to them on silver platters.

    He does occasionally have a temper, which has infuriated some, and he has butted heads when it wasn't entirely necessary. However, he does work, and has helped out very much, in many ways.

    2. He owns all the website properties, and is the main contact point for Fr. Pfeiffer's group. He receives all the e-mails.

    My response: He maintains them, and would rather receive the flak associated with the sites than have the Fathers take the heat. He receives those emails which are sent to certain email address, but he does not receive all emails.

    3. He, along with one older woman, takes care of the finances of Fr. Pfeiffer's operation. 

    My response: Father is too busy taking the Mass and the sacraments to have daily maintenance over the finances. This is not a problem, nor should it be a source of contention, as long as the seminary is running, and the missions are receiving the sacraments.

    4. He has a very bad reputation in many circles: he is known as "Pablo the devil" and "Pablo the witch" in Spanish. 

    My response: He is know that by those who have little concern for charity. These nicknames are slanderous, and do not accurately portray Pablo.

    Matthew 5:44
    But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you.

    5. He has told us personally that he practices Omerta, which is normally associated with the Mafia. 

    My response: I will not deal with hearsay or rumors, and neither should anyone else.

    6. In his many Internet posts, one could discern he had a boastful and proud bearing. His posts were filled with drama and braggadocio. He seeks fame and power. 

    My response: So what? This is a ridiculous complaint, which speaks more of the one making the complaint.

    Matthew 27:18
    For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

    7. He has bragged in the past about doing "hand to hand combat" with the devil. 

    My response: This is not a problem. Believe his stories or not. It might be nothing more than "fish tales".

    8. He publicly admitted on CathInfo to all his "Ghostbuster" style lay-exorcist activities, as covered in a local newspaper. At that point, he was banned here. 

    My response: There are certain things that lay-people can do, such as distribute holy medals, and encourage others to pray and use the sacramentals that the church has deemed worthy for our use.

    9. These activities included "waiting up" for the devil, with a boom box and a deck of playing cards. 

    My response: Some of his stories may be exaggerated, which would explain some of the elements therein. He does have a sense of humor, which is often lost on his enemies.

    10. His Sensus Catholicus (Catholic sense) seems to be broken or non-existent. 

    My response: I do not care to comment on this.

    11. But this superstitious fascination with the devil or imprudent dabbling in things demonic happened YEARS AGO. But where did that take him today? 

    My response: That is between God and himself, and no one else.

    12. Pablo doesn't attend Mass anymore, and hasn't for years -- even though he lives on the Boston, KY property itself. 

    My response: Pray for him, that he returns to the attendance of daily Mass. As for Sunday Masses, I cannot say he does not, or that he has not gone in years. This is mere guesswork and more rumor meant to cause harm to his reputation.

    13. Apparently Pablo has a wife and children living somewhere, who he is no longer with. Why? 

    My response: This is also a matter best left out of our hands.

    14. He has a reputation for bullying and harassing innocent Traditional Catholics, and has been banned from many SSPX chapels. 

    My response: Many of those who were supposedly bullied are the guilty ones, and I have seen this in person. They act like self-centered, greedy children with over-inflated egos. When two strong, opposing egos clash, stuff happens. Pablo could handle himself better in some of these cases, however. Such is the nature of human frailty. We rise and we fall.

    15. Pablo doesn't hold back when his intended victim is a woman or elderly (or both!) 

    My response: This is not entirely true. He has spoken down to some women, and used words which may not be the best in a given situation. However, he does hold back often, depending on the circuмstances. One must not give into generalizations such as this.

    16. He has harassed Mrs. Pfeiffer, Fr. Pfeiffer's mother, on several occasions. She has cast him out of the property -- or tried to -- several times. 

    My response: I have not seen any such harassment during my times on the property.

    17. Pablo has found an Orthodox bishop with very dubious stories which don't check out or add up. 

    My response: That is a work in progress. Give it time, and do not rush to judgment.

    18. He has a very nice house in Phoenix, AZ, which he apparently doesn't even live in. How does he afford the property taxes, even if it's paid off? 

    My response: I am beginning to understand the term “whited sepulcher Pharisees” more clearly with each complaint.

    [1] Judge not, that you may not be judged, [2] For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again. [3] And why seest thou the mote that is in thy brother' s eye; and seest not the beam that is in thy own eye? [4] Or how sayest thou to thy brother: Let me cast the mote out of thy eye; and behold a beam is in thy own eye? [5] Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam in thy own eye, and then shalt thou see to cast out the mote out of thy brother' s eye.

    19. He used to be a pipefitter "CathInfo". Do they pay so well that he can retire early? 

    My response: This is a non-issue, and it is being used to attack his character.

    20. I will pass over the innuendo about his screen name "469". Is that "for 69" or "pro 69"? 69 is a vulgar slang expression. Of all the 3 numbers he could have chosen! 

    My response: Its part of his phone number.

    21. The "fitter" part of his screen name could also bear an innuendo, especially when taken together with the first part. 

    My response: God help us.

    22. NOTE: Hiding dirty things, or tributes to the devil, in plain sight is the modus operandi of Freemasons and bad guys all over the world. 

    My response: There are many signs of the demonic. The methods of the Pharisees are a prime example. Libel, slander and rumor are demonic.

    23. Apparently there are lots of unnatural and preternatural incidents that have happened around Pablo. 

    My response: Rumor and hearsay.

    24. Pablo has talked about witches in his neighborhood sending the cats to do unnatural things (like defecate on his roof -- cats don't naturally do this) 

    My response: See above.

    25. "[Pablo] may leave objects that can cause spiritual trouble as happened to a friend of mine. She had to get rid of everything that had passed through Pablo's hands before things were ok." Another sign that Pablo is mixed up in some dark arts. 

    My response: See above.

    26. Pablo has "big televisions in the rooms" at his house in Phoenix, AZ. This is the same house where Fr. Pfeiffer says Mass when he's in Phoenix. See #10. 

    My response: This has gone far enough.

    27. Fr. Voigt, a good priest, recently left Fr. Pfeiffer's group partly because of Pablo. 

    My response: This is a complex situation, one that cannot be summed up so easily. I am in a terrible bind on this situation, as I am friends with both Father Voigt and Pablo. I hope that this unfortunate situation can be resolved. I pray for this daily.

    There is much I know of this situation, and I feel that not all of it should ever be repeated, for it would do much harm to both parties. I pray, too, for Pablo's son, Santiago, who was unfortunately caught up in this battle between Father and Pablo.

    28. Pablo has certainly not discouraged, but actively encouraged, Fr. Pfeiffer into an isolated cult mentality, sectarianism, and in-fighting with fellow Resistance priests. 
    29. Pablo has done various things calculated to harm the Resistance and start trouble, like posting the personal addresses (not the Mass center locations) of all the Resistance Mass center coordinators. And attacking Fr. Zendejas and Bishop Williamson. 
    30. Pablo has often exaggerated and caused confusion: For example, one time he posted "The only thing left [of the Pfeiffer ranch] is the mailbox." 

    My response: This list and its promulgation is a fine example of exaggerations and spreading confusion among the faithful, and this work ought to be condemned by both Father Pfeiffer and Father Voigt.

    31. Pablo has successfully helped divide at least the American Resistance, and caused countless chaos and spiritual harm. 

    My response: It was more than just Pablo. What we have here is every example of the seven deadly sins, and it is not all on Pablo.

    I have spoken to many coordinators, faithful, seminarians and priests. These rumors have caused so much damage, and it is sad, because these rumors are mostly exaggerated from the truth or falsified entirely.

    32. Catholic doctrine/common sense dictate that one doesn't get involved with the devil, or... very bad things can happen. 

    My response: That is true. This is why this list was not a good idea, and why I needed to respond to it.

    33. The Boston, KY seminary has emptied out and might close soon. Apparently the remaining seminarians recently begged Fr. Voigt to stay there more often, since things were better when he was around. 

    My response: The devil has worked his ways, and it should not fall entirely on Pablo. We all had a hand in this, and we all need to beg God for His forgiveness.

    Pablo can be a hard-headed, machismo Mexican with a temper. That much is certain. The rumors, however, do not accurately depict the truth of the situation in Boston. We must, in these situations, remember to show, above all, charity.

    [43] You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you:[45] That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.


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    « Reply #41 on: October 02, 2015, 01:40:31 PM »
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  • Nice attempt to whitewash this Pablo scandal, but 2 points in particular stand out as ridiculous:

    My responses are in bold.


    5. He has told us personally that he practices Omerta, which is normally associated with the Mafia.  

    My response: I will not deal with hearsay or rumors, and neither should anyone else.

    What part of PABLO POSTED IT can't you understand? It's not hearsay or rumor when Pablo posts it with his own account! When you read something a person posts -- that's called FIRST HAND. Some people are stubbornly blind about things -- that's a big part of why the Resistance is in this mess.

    Second post on this thread:
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Fr-Pfeiffer-attempts-to-defuse-the-situation

    I'm sorry, but this is very frustrating.

    8. He publicly admitted on CathInfo to all his "Ghostbuster" style lay-exorcist activities, as covered in a local newspaper. At that point, he was banned here.  

    My response: There are certain things that lay-people can do, such as distribute holy medals, and encourage others to pray and use the sacramentals that the church has deemed worthy for our use.

    This was also posted with pablo's own account. The article from the local Phoenix newspaper came to light, it was posted here, and Pablo owned up to all of it. It was quite scandalous, and went well beyond St. Benedict medals, holy water, and the St. Michael prayer.

    It's not just wit and rhetoric to say he was offering himself out as a Ghostbuster. He was literally acting as a priest might -- offering his devil-fighting services to third parties. This is NOT something any sane Catholic would do. Catholic common sense is that we should not seek out the devil, dabble with him, or try to "fight him" out of some kind of misplaced zeal. Leave exorcism to the priests.

    Especially troubling was how Pablo was waiting up at night, in a vigil, for the devil to manifest himself. That shows a superstitious, curious and/or occult-dabbling mindset. That's why I say his Sensus Catholicus is broken.

    Your response is what countless Pfeiffer-fanatics responded back when I banned pablo. I had to ban quite a few others in his wake, because they defended pablo to the death (mostly for Fr. Pfeiffer's sake). I guess you can't force anyone to see the truth, once their mind is stubbornly made up about something.

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    « Reply #42 on: October 02, 2015, 01:44:22 PM »
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  • And I notice you pass over all the points, responding to them, but not really offering a rebuttal.

    16. He has harassed Mrs. Pfeiffer, Fr. Pfeiffer's mother, on several occasions. She has cast him out of the property -- or tried to -- several times.  

    My response: I have not seen any such harassment during my times on the property.

    Matthew's response:
    That's great, but it doesn't prove it wrong. Others who were there witnessed it, and gave testimony to Pablo's shameful treatment of Fr. Pfeiffer's own mother.

     
    I have to weigh several conflicting testimonies here.

    You claim you didn't see anything, but you're also a continuing, committed fan of the group. So I have to conclude that you might be biased.

    On the other hand, several other devout Catholics tell another story. And they don't have reason to lie. We're talking about people who were IN BOSTON, so they obviously aren't some kind of anti-Pfeiffer enemies, not disposed to give the group a chance. In fact, most of the evidence comes from those who were there, involved with the group for a length of time.

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    « Reply #43 on: October 02, 2015, 05:32:40 PM »
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    12. Pablo doesn't attend Mass anymore, and hasn't for years -- even though he lives on the Boston, KY property itself. 

    My response: Pray for him, that he returns to the attendance of daily Mass. As for Sunday Masses, I cannot say he does not, or that he has not gone in years. This is mere guesswork and more rumor meant to cause harm to his reputation.


    This is not rumor.  

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    I have spoken to many coordinators, faithful, seminarians and priests. These rumors have caused so much damage, and it is sad, because these rumors are mostly exaggerated from the truth or falsified entirely.
     


    Did you speak to coordinators by phone, email, or in person?  I'm curious because Fr Pfeiffer has a very strict rule that NOBODY but him, Fr Hewko, or Pablo is allowed to contact coordinators.  You might have violated his rule which would be very bad considering your position.

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    « Reply #44 on: October 02, 2015, 05:44:29 PM »
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  • Dear Real McCoy ... I have been contacted by my fellow coordinators, and I have met some in person. I did not reach out to them, but they reached out to me.