Author Topic: Outstanding Sermon on Sedevacantism by Fr. Pfeiffer (Read 48176 times)

johnb104 · « **Reply #60 on:** May 05, 2014, 07:01:25 PM »

I like Fr. Pfeiffer's Catechism audios on the St. Isadore website...I don't really have anything to contribute to the conversation but I thought I'd mention it :dancing-banana:

Mabel · « **Reply #61 on:** May 05, 2014, 07:04:07 PM »

Quote from: Pete Vere

Quote from: Mabel
Resistance a gateway to sedevacantism? Not directly. That is mostly dependent on what comes out of Rome, as far as the fence sitters. The former Society priests, that I know, who have embraced sedevacantism, did so over the course of many years and it was a gradual realization. Most priests who have left the Society go in the opposite direction.

Granted, many who leave the SSPX and the Resistance will find their way back to diocesan-sponsored TLM communities. But among those who remain committed to resistance - and here I am thinking more in terms of laity than of priests - is the Resistance a gateway to sedevacantist chapels?

I am thinking primarily in terms of availability, stability and convenience.

That depends on a few things. There are little tiffs within the Resistance that might make certain sedevacantist chapels appealing, I don't know if they will fizzle out or ever become a major factor--I'm thinking mostly of the Holy Week issue here.

The biggest factor would probably be the individual, does he care about the truth of the matter, or does he want to tow the party line? Has he been exposed to anti-sedevacantism and does he believe those arguments without question? What does he believe the status of sedevacantists to be, are they Catholic or not? Is he willing to change based on new evidence, in the form of Bergoglio's actions or Catholic sources?

I don't think I've been anywhere yet since the Resistance began that has reported an influx of SSPX refugees. If they aren't going to the SSPX and are waiting for that annual mass, while CMRI or other options are available, they are probably staying home.

I find this so ironic because most sedevacantists who deal with irregular mass availability have no problem with SSPX or even Resistance masses. You do not see this the other way around, old habits die hard. Though, as a sedevacantist, I would be concerned now of being denied Holy Communion at Fr.Pfieffer's masses in the future. That, and his outstanding sermons (I definitely wouldn't want my children to hear some of the content) would keep me away.

Pete Vere · « **Reply #62 on:** May 05, 2014, 07:29:50 PM »

Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam

There is NO such teaching of "R&R" in the Church teaching, doctrine, or tradition when it comes to the Papacy. "R&R" has no theological or rational position within the Church. Sedevacantism does.

Interesting comment in light of the most recent posts in the online debate between John Lane and RJS:

http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1606&sid=524be5f6b166bb6a6a88fd4d5bf0fc2e&start=60

hugeman · « **Reply #63 on:** May 05, 2014, 07:48:33 PM »

Quote from: Mabel
Nobody wins when it turns into a competition. There is no need for CMRI and the Resistance to compete or to be enemies. The open hostilities do no good. Signing statements against other Catholics is a serious symptom of a problem as are inflammatory sermons. I do worry that the Resistance position will cause others not to mass or confession just because it is "sedevacantist." They don't have to hold joint chapel barbecues, but they can peacefully exist in the same area.

Personally, I think an amicable relationship is the best course between all Catholics and groups. [/quote

Careful, Mabel-- someone's liable to tag you a eccuмentalist! :furtive: :)

Mabel · « **Reply #64 on:** May 05, 2014, 08:00:30 PM »

Quote from: hugeman

Quote from: Mabel
Nobody wins when it turns into a competition. There is no need for CMRI and the Resistance to compete or to be enemies. The open hostilities do no good. Signing statements against other Catholics is a serious symptom of a problem as are inflammatory sermons. I do worry that the Resistance position will cause others not to mass or confession just because it is "sedevacantist." They don't have to hold joint chapel barbecues, but they can peacefully exist in the same area.

Personally, I think an amicable relationship is the best course between all Catholics and groups. [/quote

Careful, Mabel-- someone's liable to tag you a eccuмentalist! :furtive: :)

If they do, it says more about them than me. :cool:

If we are to persevere in this crisis we must be careful to maintain unity with our fellow Catholics. I'd would rather be called a made-up word that appears in nowhere in Catholic theology than a schismatic! Yikes!

:heretic:

:cheers: