Author Topic: More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran (Read 93412 times)

Centroamerica · « **Reply #60 on:** October 06, 2015, 01:57:25 PM »

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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:

the pic after this is definately doctored

Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #61 on:** October 06, 2015, 02:30:33 PM »

I know the Fr. Bitsko in the picture, and i may know who this ambrose is, i remember a bizarre sedevacantist old catholic in the Smithtown NY area who called the trinity the Holy Tripod and claimed the Archbishop let him work in the backround. he was nuts i am trying to remember what group he belonged to though.... he was definitely an Arnold hαɾɾιs Matthew guy though if he is the same guy

Centroamerica · « **Reply #62 on:** October 06, 2015, 02:52:20 PM »

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #63 on:** October 06, 2015, 02:58:47 PM »

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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:

the pic after this is definately doctored

Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.

Yes, note the inconsistent shadows. +Slipyj is in the sun but the clown next to him is obviously indoors. It looks like the clown's crosier is floating.

PG · « **Reply #64 on:** October 06, 2015, 03:14:39 PM »

clemens maria - yeah, the rod part of the crosier is not there, or it is at the wrong angle. Look at that same post consecration photo in the hewko interview video(minute 3:30), and you will see another post consecration photo in the upper left hand corner.. And, it is not ambrose. It is an old guy with a grey beard wearing those same gold vestments. Ambrose stole the picture to photoshop himself over the other guy.

Matthew · « **Reply #65 on:** October 06, 2015, 03:41:13 PM »

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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:

the pic after this is definately doctored

Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.

Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

The man on the left is obviously indoors. The lighting is totally off. "This picture is sponsored by...Photoshop!"

And what Patriarch/archbishop/bishop starts a WORDPRESS site of all things to establish his credibility? Might as well start a MySpace page. He doesn't even have a ten-spot or two to his name, so he can get a proper domain name and webhosting? He might be able to save most of the money if he had ANY supporters that had webhosting accounts already. Then it would just cost $12 a year for the domain name. This charlatan doesn't even spring for that!

So he's not only a charlatan, but a not-particularly-good one with virtually no support. He's a low-end one.

Matthew · « **Reply #66 on:** October 06, 2015, 03:54:07 PM »

All right - I'm going to help out a bit here.

What does it mean if we prove that AT LEAST ONE of these pictures is obviously fake? Doesn't it mean that he has something to hide, is trying to deceive us, and so we shouldn't trust him about any of his other story/pictures? I think so.

Anyhow, here goes...

I found no less than THREE serious problems with this one picture.

(By the way, you need to save off the FULL-RES version, to capture all the detail, otherwise the scammers get away with it!)

Matthew · « **Reply #67 on:** October 06, 2015, 03:59:32 PM »

Do they really think we're that stupid?

Look at the third picture -- the sun is clearly shining on the Cardinal, but the man next to him is clearly indoors. Photoshop much?

In the first picture, the beard is ALL KINDS OF messed up. They over-used the clone stamp tool on the left side, did a poor job, but the right side of his face doesn't have much beard on his cheek, to match the left side. No one would wear a beard like this picture suggests. If he really couldn't grow much on his right upper cheek, he'd trim the left side to match. But the left side looks totally fake as well, so...

The second picture shows the crozier anomaly. It's at the wrong angle, floating, or something. It doesn't add up. It doesn't match where he's holding, and where it MIGHT BE coming out at the bottom of the picture. Of the three pictures, this is the least "smoking gun" of them. The other two I would consider to be positive proof of photo doctoring and, hence, deception from whoever started this website.

And we can't ignore the fact that this website sprang into being AFTER this alleged bishop appeared in Boston, KY. It has to be Pablo or someone working for that group.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #68 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:00:00 PM »

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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:

the pic after this is definately doctored

Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.

Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

The man on the left is obviously indoors. The lighting is totally off. "This picture is sponsored by...Photoshop!"

And what Patriarch/archbishop/bishop starts a WORDPRESS site of all things to establish his credibility? Might as well start a MySpace page. He doesn't even have a ten-spot or two to his name, so he can get a proper domain name and webhosting? He might be able to save most of the money if he had ANY supporters that had webhosting accounts already. Then it would just cost $12 a year for the domain name. This charlatan doesn't even spring for that!

So he's not only a charlatan, but a not-particularly-good one with virtually no support. He's a low-end one.

Let's be honest. Fr. Pfeiffer had made a mention in his video in Canada about Bishop Williamson saying something about finding a bishop, etc. Now who did we expect him to a find, Bishop Lazo?

Matthew · « **Reply #69 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:13:46 PM »

Two more:

The top pic already has commentary.

In the bottom pic, the whole border between the blue background and his mitre is just off. There's a single darker line where the two meet, as if someone went in with the "smudge" tool to TRY to make it blend in better. Again, an amateur job was done.

And what's with the texture in this picture? Did someone apply a "Matte" filter to the photograph or something? Is this supposed to be a newspaper scan? This photo appears to have the texture of a matte painting. Is this claiming to be a scan of a painting? What the heck?

opus · « **Reply #70 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:15:29 PM »

To add to Matthew's point about the lighting, please check out Ambrose's shadow in the background. It is most likely formed by indoor flash photography, where the shadow was cast to the right side of the subject. I agree with Matthew on the lack of hair light and side light on Ambrose.
This is very much a fake photograph.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #71 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:22:49 PM »

from the orthodox wiki

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In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008. Since the reception of a bishop can only be canonically accomplished by a synod, Archbishop Gregory initially claimed that Archbishop Makarios of Athens gave him verbal consent for the reception over the telephone. This was vehemently denied by both Archbishop Makarios and his Synod of Bishops. Six months later, Archbishop Ambrose left the GOCA and returned to his former status as an independent bishop. Since the consecration of Bishop John was administered by only two bishops, one of whom was uncanonically received into the Church and possessed questionable apostolic succession, the GOCA has become completely isolated from other Old Calendarist communities. A number of members of those communities issued condemnations immediately after his unjustified separation from the ROAC

hollingsworth · « **Reply #72 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:23:42 PM »

Matthew:

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Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.

Good forensic work on the part of some of you. Yes, the photo is as phony as 3 dollar bill. Doesn't this suggest that the so-called "seminary" to which is this individual was invited is equally phony?

PG · « **Reply #73 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:24:37 PM »

fr. pfieffer speaks about ambrose in his newest sermon, start listening at min 8:45 -

Fr. pfieffer has been in contact with ambrose for about 6 months. And, he knows about the rumors he is a con man, but still currently thinks the guys is for real.

confederate catholic · « **Reply #74 on:** October 06, 2015, 04:28:13 PM »

from another orthodox site

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Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgoruky) was born in 1949 in a family of Russian-Serbian noble origin. In 1974-1985 gg. he studied first at the Ukrainian College in Rome, then studied Byzantine theology at Fordham University, major Theology at the Seminary Maryknoll (New York), received a master's degree in psychology Bacon College (New York), and then a doctorate in clinical psychology at Columbia University, has a state certificate school psychologist. Belonging to the jurisdiction of one of the branches of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in exile, in 1966, he was tonsured in rassophore, and in 1973 a monk. Ordained to the diaconate in 1973 and to the priesthood in 1974. In 1976 he accepted the great schema in the Athos monastery of St. Elias. In 1976, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church hierarchs (C) ordained bishop

this disagrees with his timeline also