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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: cathman7 on September 29, 2015, 03:55:58 AM
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UPDATE: There is a thread containing links to ALL the threads about so-called Bishop Ambrose Moran:
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-Mr-Ambrose-Moran-the-Orthodox
Someone who is knowledgeable about these matters said the following on the ByzCath forum:
If you can bring yourself to watch and listen to the first of the youtube videos linked above, your head will spin.
Ambrose claims to have been in high school during VII (opened in 62, closed in 65). Ordained priest in 1974 and ordained to the episcopate in 1976 (fastest elevation in history, perhaps) to enter the USSR and ordain bishops for the UGCC in Ukraine. But, strangely he gets sent to the US - where he serves in Ruthenian and Ukrainian parishes and he's ordered by HB Joseph to help out the Latins (because why?) and, meantime, he's helping Fenton and the ORCM. "I was advised to head one of these jurisdictions" - what jurisdictions?
The man has an imagination beyond belief.
I reviewed several volumes of the Official Catholic Directory from the 70s and 80s and find no listing for him among the clergy. Likewise, I don't recollect any references to him in the histories of any Ruthenian or UGCC parish in the US during the period that he describes. He began to show up in occasional internet references in the early 21st century - with UAOC-C, then GOC, now he's going for SSPX Resistence.
He seems to have managed to get his picture taken in Rome (if indeed those are of him) - hard to do? Nope, definitely not in the 70s or 80s. Around that time, Eastern bishops, up to and including Patriarchs, were notoriously easily led into acceptance of all manner of clergy offering claims of their presbyteral provenance and dressing the part - it's scary but it definitely happened, especially those who claimed to be jumping from some other, non-Catholic, jurisdiction (I suspect that the view was - thank goodness, we've saved another one).
The short of it - Ambrose is a bishop in his mind, and appears to have mastered his spiel very well, since he repeats it nearly perfectly from one time to the next (always a plus, lest someone realize the story's changed). He has an answer for everything, conveniently eludes some points - like his time with the GOC, has no names for 2 of his 3 episcopal consecrators.
The man is a classic vagante.
Many years,
Neil
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/413177/Re:_Question_about_a_Vagante_B#Post413177
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So, in another video put up by Pablo, in Ambrose's sermon at the compound:
Ambrose claims that he was ordained to the priesthood by Cardinal Slipyj in 1974.
Then he claims that he was consecrated a bishop in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj (with co-consecrators consisting of a bishop sent by the Melchite Patriarch Maximos V and a Ukrainian diocesan bishop). He claims that he was consecrated so young in order to sneak behind the Iron Curtain and consecrate bishops for the clandestine underground Church. Claims that he has no papal mandate because Slipyj had autonomy to consecrate whoever he wanted.
This should be pretty easy to verify; those records of the handful of bishops consecrated for this purpose have long since been released.
He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj personally asked him to perform confirmations in the Latin Rite at St. Jude Shrine in Houston, TX (because he grew up acquainted with both the Ukrainian and the Latin Rites). This was allegedly because Cardinal Slipyj had a close working relationship with Archbishop Lefebvre. St. Jude Shrine was apparently under then-Father George Musey.
He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj designated him his "successor" and that he now has the canonical status of "Patriarch."
Claims that John Paul II met with him and referred to him as "Josaphat the New".
I personally know the brother of the current Ukrainian Patriarch (a priest). I will ask him to check into Ambrose.
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So, in another video put up by Pablo, in Ambrose's sermon at the compound:
Ambrose claims that he was ordained to the priesthood by Cardinal Slipyj in 1974.
Then he claims that he was consecrated a bishop in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj (with co-consecrators consisting of a bishop sent by the Melchite Patriarch Maximos V and a Ukrainian diocesan bishop). He claims that he was consecrated so young in order to sneak behind the Iron Curtain and consecrate bishops for the clandestine underground Church. Claims that he has no papal mandate because Slipyj had autonomy to consecrate whoever he wanted.
This should be pretty easy to verify; those records of the handful of bishops consecrated for this purpose have long since been released.
He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj personally asked him to perform confirmations in the Latin Rite at St. Jude Shrine in Houston, TX (because he grew up acquainted with both the Ukrainian and the Latin Rites). This was allegedly because Cardinal Slipyj had a close working relationship with Archbishop Lefebvre. St. Jude Shrine was apparently under then-Father George Musey.
He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj designated him his "successor" and that he now has the canonical status of "Patriarch."
Claims that John Paul II met with him and referred to him as "Josaphat the New".
I personally know the brother of the current Ukrainian Patriarch (a priest). I will ask him to check into Ambrose.
I can't speak to much of this history but I can speak to what is related here about St. Jude Shrine. First of all it is not a designated shrine. Its ownership is in the name of Guiffre Family. Archbishop Lefebvre blessed it but beyond that and the Confirmations he gave in 1975 (if I remember correctly) there is no connection whatsoever with the Archbishop. There was a falling out with the Guiffres' which resulted in the exodus of the congregation, Fr. Hector Bolduc, and Father Carl Pulvermacher who within a year bought another property in Dickinson, Texas. St. Jude's became a sedevacantist group and remains so to this day. If this 'bishop' ever came there I can't say but it definitely would not have been on the recommendation of the Archbishop who had terminated any relationship with this place. The actual span of time of the relationship between the SSPX and St. Jude's was only several months.
Father Musey had been a priest of the Houston-Galveston Diocese but having suffered some heart problems was not practicing as a priest but instead was managing a family restaurant in Dickinson during the 1970's. Somehow he was enlisted by the Guiffre family to come to St. Jude's and subsequently was made a "bishop". He would have had to be a sede also or the family would not have accepted him. If this "bishop" Ambrose came to St. Jude's as he says he would have been a sede at that time.
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Bishop Ambrose Moran is a member of an Orthodox Church!
I have searched on the Net, and came up with the following information from an Orthodox Church:
"In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008."
Here is the link to the website:
http://orthodoxwiki.org/Genuine_Orthodox_Church_of_America
I would add this: If ever this bishop would be genuine, we would have heard of him many years ago. The world of Tradition is so small! Imagine: If really a true Catholic bishop would have helped traditional Catholics in the USA, as a friend of Archbishop Lefebvre, for how long would this have remained a secret?
God bless you all.
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I really didn't want to fan the flames of this story more but I just want to add one quick idea quickly.
The old Code of Cannon Law was much stricter on the ordination of Eastern Catholic Bishops. The synod of the Church had to submit extensive dossiers to Rome for approval from the "Affairs of the Oriental Rites" (now, Congregation of the Oriental Churches).
In the new Code of Cannon Law, unless there is a "just cause" the Holy See Congregation of Oriental Churches does nothing besides approving candidates. They do the same thing with cathedrals. The bishops/synods of the Churches have authority to ordain bishops/designate cathedrals/etc. However, they have to notify the Congregation to obtain approval (which is normally granted). This is just a gesture to further emphasize their unity with Rome and keep correct count for the annuarium pontificium.
One recent example of the newly elected Patriarch of Armenian Catholics, His Beatitude Gregorius Petrus XX Ghabroyan. His Beatitude is 81 years old and way past the normal retirement age for bishops. However, the bishops synod elected him Patriarch. Rome has no authority or "just" ground to not approve his election and he was approved immediately.
I don't understand Bishop William/Ambrose's timeline well enough, but, if he was a validly ordained bishops, there will be a paper trail somewhere. The easiest was would be to check the annuarium pontificium for the year he claims to be ordained a bishop. His name should be listed.
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Recusant from Te Deum posted this:
Tonight I Spoke to a priest friend of mine who was ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. He met "Fr." Bill Moran in 1976 at Huntington, Long Island. This was when the Archbishop came to NY for the sacrament of Confirmation. Moran lived in his parents basement when my priest friend (who was around 17 at the time) had visited with him. Father remembers that he showed him music albums that had immodest pictures of young woman on them and he left promptly. Bishop Kelly, while still a member of the SSPX, investigated Moran and found out that the person, whom he said ordained him, was actually a janitor at a school in Long Island!
If you watch the interview video, you will notice that there is a photograph of Ambrose with a caption that says "Father William Moran."
Thank you Recusant!
This is consistent with the information I have found on him so far. Apparently he was briefly associated with the ORCM at one point. My guess is that the ORCM eventually found out that he was a fraud sometime in the the late 1970's.
I found an advertisement for a Tridentine Requiem Mass for Sen. Joseph McCarthy in The Bridgeport Telegram in April 1977 that reads as follows:
IN MEMORY OF A GREAT AMERICAN
SENATOR JOSEPH R. MCCARTHY
who died prematurely on May 2, 1957
A REQUIEM MASS— TRIDENTINE .
(The Mass Senator McCarthy attended and loved)
MONDAY, MAY 2, AT 11:00 A.M. IN THE PRIVATE CHAPEL OF
OUR LADY OF THE MAGNIFICAT
215 BENNETT STREET, FAIRFIELD, CONN.
THE REV. FR. DELMAR S. MARKLE
CELEBRANT: THE REV. FR. ROBERT McKENNA, O.P.
PREACHER: THE REV. FR. WILLIAM MORAN
(http://i62.tinypic.com/keyv5d.jpg)
Odd that he would state that he worked with then Fr. Musey, but not Fr. McKenna O.P. Perhaps that's because that latter was more widely known and is still alive.
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Ambrose claims that he was ordained to the priesthood by Cardinal Slipyj in 1974.
Then he claims that he was consecrated a bishop in 1976 by Cardinal Slipyj (with co-consecrators consisting of a bishop sent by the Melchite Patriarch Maximos V and a Ukrainian diocesan bishop). He claims that he was consecrated so young in order to sneak behind the Iron Curtain and consecrate bishops for the clandestine underground Church. Claims that he has no papal mandate because Slipyj had autonomy to consecrate whoever he wanted.
I remember Cardinal Slipyji at that time. He was said to be very senile at that time.
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He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj personally asked him to perform confirmations in the Latin Rite at St. Jude Shrine in Houston, TX (because he grew up acquainted with both the Ukrainian and the Latin Rites). This was allegedly because Cardinal Slipyj had a close working relationship with Archbishop Lefebvre. St. Jude Shrine was apparently under then-Father George Musey.
He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj designated him his "successor" and that he now has the canonical status of "Patriarch."
Cardinal Slipji was never a patriarch. The head of the Ukrianian Catholic Church is a metropolitan. There is a movement to name the head of the Ukrainian Catholic Church a patriarch and this is the cause of controversy and bad feelings between the Russian Orthodox Cjurch and the Catholic Church. When the Ukraine became free in the early 1990s Pope John Paul II named a different person to lead the Ukrainian Catholic Church out of its darkness. "Bishop" Ambrose was nowhere to be found.
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He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj personally asked him to perform confirmations in the Latin Rite at St. Jude Shrine in Houston, TX (because he grew up acquainted with both the Ukrainian and the Latin Rites). This was allegedly because Cardinal Slipyj had a close working relationship with Archbishop Lefebvre. St. Jude Shrine was apparently under then-Father George Musey.
The metropolitan has no authority to send the bishop on his own to go to another rite to do anything without the consent of the local ordinary and the Holy See.
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He then claims that Cardinal Slipyj designated him his "successor" and that he now has the canonical status of "Patriarch."
Cardinal Slipyji has no authority to designate a successor without confirmation by the Holy See. Where is that confirmation? How come he is here in the United States and not in the Ukraine where he is supposed to be if he were the Cardinal legitimate successor?
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From the St. Euphrosynos Forum, a discussion forum for Orthodox Christians:
His Eminence, Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorovky)
of New York City and New York State
To the Clergy and the Faithful of the Genuine Orthodox Church
in North America, South America, Europe and Africa:
Grace be unto you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord, Jesus Christ.
Reverend and dear Fathers, and Faithful;
It is with great joy that I write to you from the grace filled Paradise of Dormition Skete into which I have been accepted and numbered among the struggling monastic fathers. My greatest joy is that I have been accepted as a brother in the episcopate by His Eminence, Archbishop Gregory. You should know that this occurred because of the prayers of St. John Maximovitch who tonsured me a Rassophore monk and made provision for me to receive the Great Schema on Mt. Athos. He foretold that I would end my days in a grace filled monastery. This too has come to pass. I have been in conversation with Mother Mariam for over three years and her encouragement has brought me into communion with true confessing Orthodox Christians. Pray for me dear Fathers that I may live up to the expectations of my monastic Father, St. John Maximovitch and fulfill God’s Will for me in defending the Genuine Holy Orthodox Faith.
I come to you in humility having been tonsured into monasticism over forty years ago and having served in the episcopate for over thirty years. I have served as Metropolitan of the Ukrainian Orthodox Synodal Jurisdiction and as Archbishop Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria, and later as Epitropos of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Please keep in mind that in actuality I maintained in this country an Old-Calendar jurisdiction of the elderly clergy who served faithfully and not in communion with papal calendarists or with ecuмenist heretics. Since, however, while in actuality remaining to ourselves, I did have recognition of the Patricarchates. Therefore, having sought, and by God’s Grace, found a confessing Hierarch in the person of His Eminence, Archbishop Gregory, I was received into communion, in humility, following profession of Faith, repentance for any association, knowing or unintentionally, with ecuмenists. Having received the anointing with Holy Chrism and the laying on of hands of Archbishop Gregory, with the approval of Archbishop Makarios of Athens and all Greece, I ask for your prayers that I may remain a faithful monk in this grace filled monastery for the rest of my days and that I may serve all of you as a confessing hierarch no matter what the cost with God’s Assistance and your prayers. I am unworthy to have such a faithful brother hierarch and such faithful Orthodox Christians. Archbishop Gregory and I are one in mind and heart. I have never been happier or more peaceful than I am now in your midst. I thank you all for your prayers and best wishes. I look forward to hearing from you and to visiting with you in the future, God willing. I pray that we all may remain faithful to Holy Orthodoxy.
I, the least of all monastics, am so unworthy to be numbered among you and to take up residence in this holy grace filled monastery. As Jesus tells us, “Without Me, you can do nothing.” But as St. Paul tells us, “I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me.” Pray for me Fathers that this unworthy hierarch in communion with all of you will be able to say with St. Paul, “I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me.”
With Archpastoral blessings, I remain,
+Archbishop Ambrose
of New York City and New York State
Reception of Archbishop Ambrose
Dear Faithful,
God bless you!
We wish to announce to you the joyful event of the
reception into the Genuine Orthodox Church of America of
Archbishop Ambrose, the former representative of the
Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Alexandria in the
Americas. Growing up in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, he
was ordained to all the degrees of the priesthood:
deacon, priest, bishop, archbishop, and in 1984, he
became head of the synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
as its metropolitan consisting of 6 bishops.
Archbishop Ambrose is Prince Regent of the Royal House of Serbia,
descended from the Namanya family of Saint Savva. His
Majesty, the late King Peter II of Yugoslavia, was his
godfather. He is also descended from Saint Vladimir
through the house of Dolgorouky and from the Paleologos
Emperors of Constantinople. This is the lineage of
Orthodox monarchs who defended the Faith and some of whom
gave their lives in such pursuit.
Archbishop Ambrose was born in 1949 in Manhattan, New
York into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A significant
turning point in Archbishop Ambrose's life occurred when
at, sixteen years of age, his two royal Serbian aunts
introduced him to Saint John Maximovitch in Manhattan.
Saint John prophesied to the young man that he would
serve the Church, and reach the rank of metropolitan. He
then tonsured him a Rassophore Monk. He also gave him a
letter, which he was to present to the abbot of Prophet
Elias Skete on the Holy Mountain, when the appropriate
time came to be tonsured to the Great Schema. This
occurred when he was twenty-seven years old.
Due to the heresy of Ecuмenism, Archbishop Ambrose
eventually was forced to seek true confessing bishops,
which led him to the Genuine Orthodox Church of America.
He had been searching since 1995 to find the true
Orthodox Church in America, since he was an American. By
the mercy of God and through the prayers of Saint John
Maximovitch, he was led to us. Because he had been in
communion with the Ecuмenists of World Orthodoxy through
the Ukrainian Church, he had to be received into our
Church by Cheirothesia. After joint agreement with
Archbishop Makarios of the Genuine Orthodox Church of
Greece, Archbishop Gregory performed this reception. The
Typicon for the reception of a hierarch in his orders
consists of the following: first Archbishop Ambrose
publicly and bareheadedly in the Cathedral of the
Dormition read the Creed, and then read the Declaration,
wherein he proclaimed his adherence to all the canons of
the Seven Ecuмenical Councils as well as the Regional
Councils, and summarily condemned the Ecuмenical heresy.
He then signed the Declaration and presented it to his
Eminence, Archbishop Gregory. Archbishop Ambrose then
received anointing with holy Chrism. Then he was escorted
into the sanctuary and knelt before the holy altar table,
and the prayer of Laying-on-of-Hands (Cheirothesia) was
read over him. At that time Archbishop Ambrose was then
given his mitre and his episcopal staff. The two
hierarchs concelebrated the Divine Liturgy with peace and
love, which consummated the reception.
Archbishop Ambrose joins the Church with the title of
Archbishop of New York and New York State. We wish to
congratulate Vladyka Ambrose and pray that God grants him
many years.
On this forum, there is the comment, "He tried to join others but was turned down. The fact that he claims he was an exarch of Alexandria..."that's what they all say."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ng1eeQfbds8J:www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D8279+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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If anyone is a member of the te deum forum. Please message the member recusant and have him contact his priest friend to confirm that those late 1970s usa pictures of the baby faced "fr. william/bill moran" are indeed the Fr. william/bill moran that he met in 1976 in huntington NY. This is of the utmost importance. Trust me. I will explain why later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk2NnV-Qtu
The photos in particular are from minute 4:00-5:30 with the newspaper one at 5:25.
Perhaps matthew can email him being that recusant is a member of cathinfo, but has not been active for about a year. So, it would have to be his real email, and not just a PM like I could send him. This is important matthew. Ask recusant to confirm those images.
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It is very interesting how ambrose moran mentioned in his sunday sermon that people claim that "he" is or used to be a school janitor. And, recusant said that the then Fr. clarence kelly of the sspx late 70s days did an investigation into a fr. bill moran and concluded that he was "ordained" by a man who was actually just a "school janitor".
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So the prince regent patriarch metropolitan archbishop exarch epitropos successor of Cardinal Slipeyh who ordained him consecrated him and gave him secret missions approved by JP2 and ABL with personal universal jurisdiction protected by US presidents and duly informed of serious stuff by Vatican and Pentagon contacts...
... could be a fraud?
But, but, but look at the pictures! And the ring of Pius XII! Surely William, sorry Ambrose must be a real patriarch!
:roll-laugh1:
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Cardinal Slipji was never a patriarch. The head of the Ukrianian Catholic Church is a metropolitan ... The metropolitan has no authority to send the bishop on his own to go to another rite to do anything without the consent of the local ordinary and the Holy See.
Technically he may not be a "Patriarch" but internally the Ukrainians have always called their metropolitan a Patriarch; they still do to this day.
From a geographical standpoint, the Ukrainian "Patriarch" overlaps Roman Rite territories. Independent chapels not in direct submission to a Roman Rite bishops would constitute a gray area.
So these are not concerns to me regarding Bishop Ambrose's story.
As I said, I will ask the brother of the current Patriarch to investigate this man; he can send the request to his brother's office. It will come out very quickly whether this man was ordained/consecrated by Slipyj.
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Who were the sspx priests stationed in oyster bay in the 1970s? Fr. Kelly was one of them. Fr. cekada was there as early as 1979(his bio says). Who were the other priests who would know details about this fr. bill moran story?
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I have an update. I spoke with Bp. Sanborn on the phone today, and he is fairly up to date on this new ambrose situation. I asked him about the fr. william bill moran situation from 1976, and he does remember it, but vaguely. He was not able to provide any details about it, due to it being so long ago. But, it's better than nothing. I told him I am trying to phone Bp. Kelly about it, but he said that likely won't be successful. He said I should write him a letter instead. And, that he might be interested in this being that fr. ward has been caught in this. The fr. ward involvement is a real surprise.
He did tell me however that only he and fr. Kelly were stationed in oyster bay NY area during the time. He said that there were no seminarians who were with them during that time, so we really got lucky with recusant's(from te deum forum) connection to the fr. bill moran event. It must have just been related to the confirmation occasion.
Bp. Sanborn did tell me one very interesting thing. He knows an "old" ukrainian priest who I think he said is part of tradition. And, this ukrainian priest said he knew +slipyj or knew enough about him to say that +slipyj would NEVER have consecrated a dual right bishop. He said that +slipyj was "against everything roman". I think that is what Bp. Sanborn said. So, now that detail of ambrose moran's story doesn't line up with what others say. And, there is no history about the guy other than his "dokuments".
If it weren't for the fact that this guy convinced Fr. Ward of his story, and ordaining a priest and confirmed for him, I would probably say that this guy is just a lone wolf con man. But, due to the fact that he has stayed afloat all these years, with such a story, does leads me to believe that he is funded to do this.
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I have an update. I spoke with Bp. Sanborn on the phone today, and he is fairly up to date on this new ambrose situation. I asked him about the fr. william bill moran situation from 1976, and he does remember it, but vaguely. He was not able to provide any details about it, due to it being so long ago. But, it's better than nothing. I told him I am trying to phone Bp. Kelly about it, but he said that likely won't be successful. He said I should write him a letter instead. And, that he might be interested in this being that fr. ward has been caught in this. The fr. ward involvement is a real surprise.
He did tell me however that only he and fr. Kelly were stationed in oyster bay NY area during the time. He said that there were no seminarians who were with them during that time, so we really got lucky with recusant's(from te deum forum) connection to the fr. bill moran event. It must have just been related to the confirmation occasion.
Bp. Sanborn did tell me one very interesting thing. He knows an "old" ukrainian priest who I think he said is part of tradition. And, this ukrainian priest said he knew +slipyj or knew enough about him to say that +slipyj would NEVER have consecrated a dual right bishop. He said that +slipyj was "against everything roman". I think that is what Bp. Sanborn said. So, now that detail of ambrose moran's story doesn't line up with what others say. And, there is no history about the guy other than his "dokuments".
If it weren't for the fact that this guy convinced Fr. Ward of his story, and ordaining a priest and confirmed for him, I would probably say that this guy is just a lone wolf con man. But, due to the fact that he has stayed afloat all these years, with such a story, does leads me to believe that he is funded to do this.
To be fair, I don't think it is true +Slipyj was against everything Roman. I have a book, Confessor Between East and West: A Portrait of Ukrainian Cardinal Josyf Slipyj ,which doesn't seem to paint that picture. He was a big supporter of St. Thomas Aquinas. I am not saying you are necessarily wrong but that it doesn't seem to be the case. Nevertheless, what you wrote was interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/Confessor-Between-East-West-Ukrainian/dp/0802836720
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Perhaps being against "Romanizations" in the Ukrainian Rite was interpreted as being against everything Roman. I don't see how one can be a good Catholic and at the same time hostile to things Roman. There were over the years various Roman customs that have crept into the Ukrainian Rite (good things IMO). So, for example, in the West at least, until very recently the Ukrainians would kneel during the Canon whereas most Byzantine Rites stand. Also the Ukrainians use confessionals (vs. confession in front of icons) and have Stations of the Cross in many of their churches.
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When did "bishop" Moran convert back from Orthodox?
From:
http://www.archbishopgregory.info/chapter_41_reception_ab_ambrose.shtml
Two weeks later, on Sunday, November 18, 2007, Archbishop Ambrose was received into the Church by joint agreement of Archbishop Gregory of the GOC of America and Archbishop Makarios of the GOC of Greece. The reception of Archbishop Ambrose took place in the Cathedral of the Dormition before all the faithful, where he made his renunciation in public and was chrismated back into the Church.
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He claimed that he had some associations with them in order to "convert" them.
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As recently as 2008 he was Orthodox.
Therefore, confessing and espousing Orthodoxy with all my soul, I am entering hereto, as a genuine and faithful son!” Signed: + Archbishop Ambrose of New York --November 5, 2007.
He left the GOC in 2008.
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I am going to let the cat out of the bag. I have been working on this lead for the past week, but I don't have the time or desire to finish and piece all this together myself. So here you go.
Here is what I believe is going on. Bishop ambrose moran is the "school janitor" that fr. clarence kelly discovered and concluded ordained fr. bill moran from the 1976 hunting NY investigation when Bill tried to join the sspx. I believe that ambrose moran and fr. bill morans are brothers. I believe that Ambrose moran is using the old photos of his brother fr. bill moran as his own today.
And, I believe this because I spoke with fr. bill moran last saturday. He exists, and he is not ambrose. He is still living in hunting long island NY. He works as a priest for citi ministries, which is an organization for married and liberal x catholic priests. Check out there website. He refused to hear and answer my questions, but he did confirm his identity. You will see his phone number and email address on their website.
I believe bill was born in 1952, and that is only three years off of ambrose morans birthdate of 1949. What are the odds? Two catholic clerics from the same town born around the same time with the same exact name is too suspicious. They would have bumped into each other eventually, which could explain the fact for why ambrose moran knew the "school janitor" rumor that had to do with fr. bill moran. Or, he knows the rumor/story because he is his brother, and is the janitor(that he mentioned in his sermon). Fr. kelly and fr. sanborn were the only priests involved at the time. Luckily, another seminarian knew and remembered it. So, there is a connection between ambrosen and fr. bill. I think it is more than likely that they are brothers. That is my hunch, and I am calling it right now.
I also believe they are brothers because it explains why ambrose has all those pictures from the orcm days. ambrose moran is using photos of fr. bill moran, because brothers look alike, and he can get away with it. This explain why all the photos from the orcm "late 70s" show "bishop ambrose" only as a priest, and not a bishop. It is because it was not ambrose, but his brother bill, who was only regarded as a priest(if he is one at all). This also makes the photoshop claims for his bishop pictures more believable. Because, if we can excuse the priestly pics(1970s newspaper), we no longer have to give benefit of doubt to the others. And, one of his pictures is clearly not him. The picture in the upper left hand of the +slipyj with ambrose photo is a different guy(and old guy) with a grey beard, but in the same vestments.
I am in the process of contacting the rockwell long island diocese to find informaton about bill moran. I am awaiting a call back. All that I want and need to know about bill moran, is WHO ORDAINED HIM. Perhaps I will email citi ministries this direct question, because they have not called me back this second time. I spoke with them once, but they haven't called me back, and I am just too busy to wait on them.
So, have at it guys. I am somewhat checking out of this. Boston KY is a red light. I have other things I have to do. These guys are con men. Ambrose might not even be a bishop. And Bill moran might not be a priest. It may take a lot of work to uncover that. So, we need more workers. It is taking to long by myself. So, join in. We will eventually get the facts.
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Citi ministries does background checks into the priests they associate with. And, they conduct their background checks through bishopaccountability.com. So, fr. bill moran has to have some legitimate looking docuмentation, and at least docuмentation showing that he is "william"(bill is his casual name). I spoke with the guy who runs bishopaccountability, and he is very interested in the case, and is following. Ultimately he may be of help because of his credentials. Citi ministries would drop fr. bill if they find out he is not a priest, and ordained by a school janitor. The story might be enough to get them to dig deeper.
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Is this man James DeKazel or Moran? Taken from DeKazel's "Shrine of St. Jude" website.
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One thing that I wanted to mention when I first viewed some of his orthodox pictures in light of photoshop claims is, that all these schismatic orthodox guys look the same. They all have a huge dark beards, long hair, black robes, and all their diets consists of bread day in and day out. And, ambrose has been and I recon still is a schismatic orthodox. That is my two cents. I don't place much faith(if at all any) in ambrose' pictures.
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Thank you +PG+, may God bless you for your love of, and dedication to, the truth.
I hope others have the time/inclination to pick up where you left off. We're all after the truth here. Unfortunately, not all of us have enough time to do the legwork necessary to get to the bottom of it.
Some of us can only put a red checkmark on this (like marking something wrong on a child's homework) -- not everyone has the time or ability to fill in the correct answer.
The truth is the only thing that's going to help any of us -- and that includes Fr. Pfeiffer and those who depend on his Masses. If the truth is that his man is a fraud, the WHOLE CATHOLIC WORLD will be better off if this is brought to light. ESPECIALLY Fr. Pfeiffer and those who depend on him.
I'm sure some will simplistically, emotionally tag you as a "bad guy" because you're "against my team" and "working for the other side" and all that nonsense...but those with thinking brains know better. Truth comes first. It always must.
In your labors so far, you have proven yourself to be the best friend of Fr. Pfeiffer (even if he doesn't know it!) because you are working for his good as well. What priest wants to be taken in by a fraudulent bishop!
You're doing this for Father's own good, as well as the good of Catholic Tradition.
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Maybe try this image search website:
https://www.tineye.com/
Can you believe that computers can search for IMAGES now, just like they can search for text? I think even if you re-compress it or make it a bit different, if it LOOKS the same, this program will catch it.
It's a good way to see if anyone is stealing your images.
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Matthew - you are the man. We you use that site for all of his photos with +slipyj too.
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Here is something I find suspicious. Why is ambrose' 1985-88 picture with john paul 2 a black and white picture? By 1988 surely all vatican photographers would be using color photo cameras. Is his picture black and white on purpose to mask the fact that it is photoshop and the colors/lighting don't match?
Good point. When I look at pictures of my childhood -- which took place in the 1980's -- NONE of them are black and white, and we weren't a rich family (quite the contrary).
I mean seriously! It's not the 1950's.
1950's ... 1980's
1980's ... 1950's
See the difference?
There's a huge difference between Leave it to Beaver and Terminator II. Or "oldies" Rock and the synth pop music of the 80's.
Or Ronald Reagan the actor, and Ronald Reagan the president.
How can someone mix the two up like that?
It reminds me of a movie I saw (I can't remember the movie), I believe it was a comedy, where a man entered the scene where the main character was, and he narrated, "So and so. We go way back." And then the movie switched to a black and white flashback -- of that character entering the scene just a few seconds ago! I thought that was hilarious.
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New website that just appeared on October 4, 2015
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
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A blog, Opus Publicuм, with information about Ambrose
http://opuspublicuм.com/
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New website that just appeared on October 4, 2015
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
Fascinating information.
I wonder who put this up!
It is fascinating. But this needs to be explained:
October 4, 2015
Letter of Incardination, Toronto Eparchy
As a priest of the Archeparchy of Lviv, Ukraine, Fr. Moran was put on loan by Cardinal Slipyj to Bishop Borecky of Toronto.
This letter, dated 1975, is addressed to Fr. William Moran from Bishop Isidore Borecky, incardinating him into the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy (diocese) of Toronto for a period of two years.
But ... this is what +PG+ posted earlier on in this thread (emphasis mine):
"I am going to let the cat out of the bag. I have been working on this lead for the past week, but I don't have the time or desire to finish and piece all this together myself. So here you go.
Here is what I believe is going on. Bishop ambrose moran is the "school janitor" that fr. clarence kelly discovered and concluded ordained fr. bill moran from the 1976 hunting NY investigation when Bill tried to join the sspx. I believe that ambrose moran and fr. bill morans are brothers. I believe that Ambrose moran is using the old photos of his brother fr. bill moran as his own today.
And, I believe this because I spoke with fr. bill moran last saturday. He exists, and he is not ambrose. He is still living in hunting long island NY. He works as a priest for citi ministries, which is an organization for married and liberal x catholic priests. Check out there website. He refused to hear and answer my questions, but he did confirm his identity. You will see his phone number and email address on their website.
I believe bill was born in 1952, and that is only three years off of ambrose morans birthdate of 1949. What are the odds? Two catholic clerics from the same town born around the same time with the same exact name is too suspicious. They would have bumped into each other eventually, which could explain the fact for why ambrose moran knew the "school janitor" rumor that had to do with fr. bill moran. Or, he knows the rumor/story because he is his brother, and is the janitor(that he mentioned in his sermon). Fr. kelly and fr. sanborn were the only priests involved at the time. Luckily, another seminarian knew and remembered it. So, there is a connection between ambrosen and fr. bill. I think it is more than likely that they are brothers. That is my hunch, and I am calling it right now.
I also believe they are brothers because it explains why ambrose has all those pictures from the orcm days. ambrose moran is using photos of fr. bill moran, because brothers look alike, and he can get away with it. This explain why all the photos from the orcm "late 70s" show "bishop ambrose" only as a priest, and not a bishop. It is because it was not ambrose, but his brother bill, who was only regarded as a priest(if he is one at all). This also makes the photoshop claims for his bishop pictures more believable. Because, if we can excuse the priestly pics(1970s newspaper), we no longer have to give benefit of doubt to the others. And, one of his pictures is clearly not him. The picture in the upper left hand of the +slipyj with ambrose photo is a different guy(and old guy) with a grey beard, but in the same vestments.
I am in the process of contacting the rockwell long island diocese to find informaton about bill moran. I am awaiting a call back. All that I want and need to know about bill moran, is WHO ORDAINED HIM. Perhaps I will email citi ministries this direct question, because they have not called me back this second time. I spoke with them once, but they haven't called me back, and I am just too busy to wait on them.
So, have at it guys. I am somewhat checking out of this. Boston KY is a red light. I have other things I have to do. These guys are con men. Ambrose might not even be a bishop. And Bill moran might not be a priest. It may take a lot of work to uncover that. So, we need more workers. It is taking to long by myself. So, join in. We will eventually get the facts."
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=38165&min=30&num=5
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Is it just my eyes, or is it really that the two signatures of the Eparch of Toronto are exactly the same? Look at the loops and strokes carefully.
If so would that mean one of the letters is a forgery?
:rolleyes:
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I'm so confused. In one of the videos, he introduces himself as "William Moran." Is Ambrose his ordination name? I know most Eastern Catholic priests get a new name at their ordination. Is "Ambrose" Mr/Fr./Bishop (?) William Moran's priestly name?
P.S.: I don't live in Kentucky or even Texas. I will probably be little affected by this situation. However, I am finding the story behind this man quite addictive and fascinating. I don't think anything like this has ever happened before in Traditional Catholic circles for as long as I can remember.
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This is a strange story. It's like it was put together since the last episcopal consecration. It seems like someone wants to pull a "good one" over on trads. After reading this website, which was obviously put together by this 'Ambrose", (who else would have all his scanned "docuмents"?)...did anyone else notice that there was no mention of who ordained him, where he was ordained or where he went to the seminary? We are conspicuously shown photos and then only told " Fr. Moran was ordained priest in 1974." Are we supposed to take your word on it? I mean let's be honest, excluding these very important and vulnerable details does not mean that he isn't a Catholic bishop necessarily, but it is very probable that he is hiding something there. Too many vital details excluded from the beginning.
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Here is the first clear red flag. The blue ink on the "note" from maximos v to ambrose is clearly different. The +bishop ambrose blue ink is not as dark as the other blue ink, and the letters are different. So, it is handwriting from someone else, and done at a separate time.
Opus - also note that the top two look very different from the bottom signature for amrose's consecration. But, that can happen. Sometimes my signature varies.
And, again, what is with the black and white photo at the very top? Why is it not a color photo?
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Out of all of those priestly photos from the 70s, the only one that looks like ambrose is the picture with the children. The others don't absolutely look like him. The seminary photos at the very top are definitely of him, but that is not the issue.
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centro america - I also noticed that there is no information about his ordination. And, this is what the story really revolves around at this point.
BTW, I am taking pictures of all of this. Perhaps for those who are savy with computer technology can save these entire pages intact on their computers. Because, ambrose might want/try to delete all of this information after we have uncovered the fraud. Which, I do believe will be there.
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centro america - I also noticed that there is no information about his ordination. And, this is what the story really revolves around at this point.
BTW, I am taking pictures of all of this. Perhaps for those who are savy with computer technology can save these entire pages intact on their computers. Because, ambrose might want/try to delete all of this information after we have uncovered the fraud. Which, I do believe will be there.
Thanks +PG+, I wanna join in with Matthew in commending you for digging for the truth in this. The ordination and seminary will be the clue probably. For Ambrose, the best case scenario would be that he was ordained in the "new rite". Worse case would be that it isn't even him but someone else and we would be able to find it all out with this missing information. Why hide the essential facts if he is going to post everything else in the public forum. That wasn't very well thought out, unless he takes us all for idiots.
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Someone should simply send a clear message to the Ukrainian Eparchy in Toronto or elsewhere asking about him.
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ambrose places a lot of emphasis on that little handwritten note. He provides two docuмents(official I assume) of maximos v for the "sole purpose" of verifying his signature to cross check against the little note ambrose provies with his signature. But, that little note has already been exposed as having fraudulent elements. The blue ink and handwriting of +Bishop Ambrose is clearly different from the rest.
Centroamerica - ambrose does take us for idiots. Lets prove him wrong.
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obscurus - it is not gauranteed at all that those priestly photographs are of ambrose(except for perhaps the children photograph, which I may be wrong about). They don't look as much like him as his seminary photos do. I still think they are of the fr. william moran who currently resides in huntington long island born in 1952. And, I think ambrose and him are family(probably brothers).
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Someone should simply send a clear message to the Ukrainian Eparchy in Toronto or elsewhere asking about him.
I know a priest who is the brother of the current Ukrainian "Patriarch" (aka Major Archbishop). Next time I see him (I'm guessing within a week or two), I will ask him to ask his brother's office to investigate these claims.
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the whole thing stinks
1974 ordained by whom? all pics show him in NY the eparchy of Stamford Conneticut.
1975 incardinated by the bishop of Toronto at +Slipji's insistence? why is there no docuмent from Stamford?
why would he consecrate him a bishop with right of succession when there is no actual Ukrainian Patriarchate they are only really metropolitans[/i] ?
1977 +Slipji actually consecrated 3 men without Papal mandate and brawled with Paul VI over it. why would he do a consecration in public when he already did a consecration in secret?
Wiki In 1977 Slipyj consecrated Ivan Choma, Stepan Czmil and Lubomyr Husar as bishops without approval of the pope in an act of exposition of patriarchal aspirations. These consecrations caused much annoyance to the Roman Curia as episcopal consecrations without papal permission are considered illicit in Roman Canon Law but not Eastern Canon Law.
the docuмents contain some things that need clarification,plus why would you need to post obscure pictures when there should be 2 available
1- picture of your priestly ordination.
2- pic of something that proved to the underground church you are legit, and i mean something that would absolutely not be an episcopal consecration docuмent those were not given since there would be possibility of it falling into the wrong hands. ambrose needs to study more on the rite he claims to be bishop of
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I'm not sure if that wiki article is correct.
Having worked in the Maronite church for many, many years, the Eastern Catholic church must always notify Rome. They do not notify the Congregation of Bishops (like the nuncios of the Latin rite dioceses) but instead to the Congregation of Oriental Churches. Different offices. But, Rome must always be notified beforehand. It would be an illicit act if they were raised to the episcopate without approval from Rome.
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Unlike last week, Fr. Hewco doesn't mention Moran in this week's homily
He does in the unedited version of the sermon.
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New website that just appeared on October 4, 2015
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
Check out this site:
http://theuaoc.com
The pictures of him in an Eastern Bishop's attire are basically the same to the ones that he has posted on the blog Chiara posted; only here, he claims to have been consecrated in 1983 by a Ukrainian Orthodox Metropolitan:
The Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC)-USA- SOBORNOPRAVNA was established by Metropolitan Hryhorij in Chicago in 1952. The current primate is Metropolitian-Archbishop Amvrosij - who was consecrated by Metropolitan Hryhorij and bishops of the Holy Synod as confirmed by a docuмent of agreement with the Slavonic (Czecho-slovak) Orthodox Church of 1983 signed by Metropolitan-Archbishop Hryhorij, Metropolitan-Archbishop Andrew, Metropolitan-Archbishop Amvrosij, Archbishop Anthony, Archpriest John Piecuch II, Vicar General, and Chore-bishop Dimitri (Gaines), Secretary of the Holy Synod of Bishops since the 1970's and serving under Metropolitan Amvrosij until Dimitri's death in 2010.
So was he lying then or is he lying now? … Or both times?
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Great find, Caraffa!
Via the site:
Metropolitan Archbishop Amvrosij, whose godfather was King Peter II of Yugoslavia, had canonical recognition from Patriarch Pavle of the Serbian Patriarchate and was in the official publication of Yugoslavia. It may be remembered that Bishop Dionisij, Archbishop Hryhorij and Archbishop Hennadij co-consecrated the current Metropolitan in America of the Serbian Patriarchate.
This is getting even more confusing!
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But I know these CathInfo members, I know if anyone can figure out this mess, it's them.
We have some seriously resourceful, intelligent, and wise posters on here. I've been frequently impressed with how fast I've received an answer to a question I post on here.
I'm sure they'll collectively get to the bottom of this mystery, sooner or later.
We just need to share all our "work" as it were; help out each others' research.
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I am hoping to get a response from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy in Toronto. Also, Ladislaus said he knows the brother of the current "Patriarch" of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.
Incidentally, the website on Ambrose has been updated:
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
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I have included a side-by-side picture of the two letters provided on Ambrose's website. First one is his Letter of Incardination, second one is the supposed letter from Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose's appointment as Metropolitan-Archbishop.
The two signatures are exactly the same!!!!! How can this be? When people sign their name, there will always be small differences. It will not look exactly the same.
My conclusion: The second letter of Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose as Metropolitan-Archbishop is a FAKE.[/size]
Plus, I have circled the area where in the original 1975 letter the bishop signed over text, in the 1976 letter somehow you can see those area being blurry with multiple strokes [the letter B] or the area was erased [the tail of S], as if someone is trying to reconstruct the strokes (but really did a poor job).
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In fairness, bishops often used stamps of sorts. That could account for an apparent "identical" signature.
The most useful resource in evaluating the legitimacy of the docuмents would be a good character witness. That is, someone (or some people) proximate to the events who can testify to their happening.
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Of course, the main significance of him being appointed archbishop of Moscow is the jurisdictional significance-- and that is a moot point, since it's a matter of fact that he joined a schismatic Church as a hierarch at one point (at least in 2007 with GOCA, of which there is plenty of visual evidence), thereby tacitly resigning any office he held per Canon 188.
The "only" significance of that particular docuмent is to establish credibility of claims. Which would be useful, but that credibility can be established in other ways as well.
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opus - good find with the signature. Also note the bottom of the B for borecky in the second one. It appears to have an addition.
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There is a photo of Fr Bill Moran on the CITI website. Slide 13 of the slideshow. It's not the same person as the Ambrose pics provided in Orthodox garb. But it's the same person as the younger Fr Bill Moran from the Ambrose website. I bet he's performed weddings and you can track down photos somewhere.
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realmccoy - I watched that slide show, but I didn't see it. The slideshow was not changing photos as the numbers changed as well. So maybe it did not load well. But, still, I cannot confirm your claim.
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I am hoping to get a response from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy in Toronto. Also, Ladislaus said he knows the brother of the current "Patriarch" of the Ukrainian Catholic Church.
Incidentally, the website on Ambrose has been updated:
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
The newspaper articles have been added, yet they don't tell from which newspaper as that could lead us to an article about the ordination of Fr. William Moran. I was able to find an article about Fr. Ropke's ordination in a 1974, but nothing on Moran. Fr. Ropke is unfortunately no longer alive (RIP) as he would have been able to tell us something about Moran.
Given the address of the church in one of the articles is in Closter, NJ, I suspect it may be the Newark Star-Ledger, a paper whose archive is not accessible online.
Edit: With the picture of Rev. William Moran with Peter Rabbit at a Church in Westbury, NY, it seems he fit in quite well with Newchurch.
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In fairness, bishops often used stamps of sorts. That could account for an apparent "identical" signature.
The most useful resource in evaluating the legitimacy of the docuмents would be a good character witness. That is, someone (or some people) proximate to the events who can testify to their happening.
Agreed. The fact that he is attempting to establish credibility by a website does not bode well for his claims. The only way I would believe his claims is if multiple independent trustworthy and living witnesses vouched for his claims. And at least a few of those witnesses would have to be clergy. If you go under the radar for years and then suddenly pop up as a bishop (no, an ARCHBISHOP!!, no, a PATRIARCH!!!!) you better have bullet-proof docuмentation/evidence/testimony for your claims. A doubtful bishop is no bishop at all. And this guy has not even been able to establish that he is certainly a priest. This guy is way too sketchy to trust. It is almost irrelevant if his orders are valid. He is certainly stained by his schismatic past, that is incontestable. This kind of thing is really dangerous for sedevacantists who are hoping for a bishop with ordinary jurisdiction to emerge out of the woods. I won't say that it is impossible but certainly there has to be solid evidence that the claims are true. In this case we don't have that.
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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:
the pic after this is definately doctored
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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:
the pic after this is definately doctored
Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.
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I know the Fr. Bitsko in the picture, and i may know who this ambrose is, i remember a bizarre sedevacantist old catholic in the Smithtown NY area who called the trinity the Holy Tripod and claimed the Archbishop let him work in the backround. he was nuts i am trying to remember what group he belonged to though.... he was definitely an Arnold hαɾɾιs Matthew guy though if he is the same guy
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/newspaper-2.png?w=460&h=581)
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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:
the pic after this is definately doctored
Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.
Yes, note the inconsistent shadows. +Slipyj is in the sun but the clown next to him is obviously indoors. It looks like the clown's crosier is floating.
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clemens maria - yeah, the rod part of the crosier is not there, or it is at the wrong angle. Look at that same post consecration photo in the hewko interview video(minute 3:30), and you will see another post consecration photo in the upper left hand corner.. And, it is not ambrose. It is an old guy with a grey beard wearing those same gold vestments. Ambrose stole the picture to photoshop himself over the other guy.
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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:
the pic after this is definately doctored
Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.
Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
The man on the left is obviously indoors. The lighting is totally off. "This picture is sponsored by...Photoshop!"
And what Patriarch/archbishop/bishop starts a WORDPRESS site of all things to establish his credibility? Might as well start a MySpace page. He doesn't even have a ten-spot or two to his name, so he can get a proper domain name and webhosting? He might be able to save most of the money if he had ANY supporters that had webhosting accounts already. Then it would just cost $12 a year for the domain name. This charlatan doesn't even spring for that!
So he's not only a charlatan, but a not-particularly-good one with virtually no support. He's a low-end one.
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All right - I'm going to help out a bit here.
What does it mean if we prove that AT LEAST ONE of these pictures is obviously fake? Doesn't it mean that he has something to hide, is trying to deceive us, and so we shouldn't trust him about any of his other story/pictures? I think so.
Anyhow, here goes...
I found no less than THREE serious problems with this one picture.
(By the way, you need to save off the FULL-RES version, to capture all the detail, otherwise the scammers get away with it!)
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Do they really think we're that stupid?
Look at the third picture -- the sun is clearly shining on the Cardinal, but the man next to him is clearly indoors. Photoshop much?
In the first picture, the beard is ALL KINDS OF messed up. They over-used the clone stamp tool on the left side, did a poor job, but the right side of his face doesn't have much beard on his cheek, to match the left side. No one would wear a beard like this picture suggests. If he really couldn't grow much on his right upper cheek, he'd trim the left side to match. But the left side looks totally fake as well, so...
The second picture shows the crozier anomaly. It's at the wrong angle, floating, or something. It doesn't add up. It doesn't match where he's holding, and where it MIGHT BE coming out at the bottom of the picture. Of the three pictures, this is the least "smoking gun" of them. The other two I would consider to be positive proof of photo doctoring and, hence, deception from whoever started this website.
And we can't ignore the fact that this website sprang into being AFTER this alleged bishop appeared in Boston, KY. It has to be Pablo or someone working for that group.
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1976: Bishop Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj outside Holy Wisdom (St. Sophia) Cathedral, Rome, following ceremony of episcopal consecration:
the pic after this is definately doctored
Agreed. Let's repost it before someone catches it and removes it.
Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
The man on the left is obviously indoors. The lighting is totally off. "This picture is sponsored by...Photoshop!"
And what Patriarch/archbishop/bishop starts a WORDPRESS site of all things to establish his credibility? Might as well start a MySpace page. He doesn't even have a ten-spot or two to his name, so he can get a proper domain name and webhosting? He might be able to save most of the money if he had ANY supporters that had webhosting accounts already. Then it would just cost $12 a year for the domain name. This charlatan doesn't even spring for that!
So he's not only a charlatan, but a not-particularly-good one with virtually no support. He's a low-end one.
Let's be honest. Fr. Pfeiffer had made a mention in his video in Canada about Bishop Williamson saying something about finding a bishop, etc. Now who did we expect him to a find, Bishop Lazo?
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Two more:
The top pic already has commentary.
In the bottom pic, the whole border between the blue background and his mitre is just off. There's a single darker line where the two meet, as if someone went in with the "smudge" tool to TRY to make it blend in better. Again, an amateur job was done.
And what's with the texture in this picture? Did someone apply a "Matte" filter to the photograph or something? Is this supposed to be a newspaper scan? This photo appears to have the texture of a matte painting. Is this claiming to be a scan of a painting? What the heck?
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To add to Matthew's point about the lighting, please check out Ambrose's shadow in the background. It is most likely formed by indoor flash photography, where the shadow was cast to the right side of the subject. I agree with Matthew on the lack of hair light and side light on Ambrose.
This is very much a fake photograph.
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from the orthodox wiki
In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008. Since the reception of a bishop can only be canonically accomplished by a synod, Archbishop Gregory initially claimed that Archbishop Makarios of Athens gave him verbal consent for the reception over the telephone. This was vehemently denied by both Archbishop Makarios and his Synod of Bishops. Six months later, Archbishop Ambrose left the GOCA and returned to his former status as an independent bishop. Since the consecration of Bishop John was administered by only two bishops, one of whom was uncanonically received into the Church and possessed questionable apostolic succession, the GOCA has become completely isolated from other Old Calendarist communities. A number of members of those communities issued condemnations immediately after his unjustified separation from the ROAC
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Matthew:
Good catch! That pic is as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
Good forensic work on the part of some of you. Yes, the photo is as phony as 3 dollar bill. Doesn't this suggest that the so-called "seminary" to which is this individual was invited is equally phony?
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fr. pfieffer speaks about ambrose in his newest sermon, start listening at min 8:45 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogtyFzZsZw
Fr. pfieffer has been in contact with ambrose for about 6 months. And, he knows about the rumors he is a con man, but still currently thinks the guys is for real.
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from another orthodox site
Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgoruky) was born in 1949 in a family of Russian-Serbian noble origin. In 1974-1985 gg. he studied first at the Ukrainian College in Rome, then studied Byzantine theology at Fordham University, major Theology at the Seminary Maryknoll (New York), received a master's degree in psychology Bacon College (New York), and then a doctorate in clinical psychology at Columbia University, has a state certificate school psychologist. Belonging to the jurisdiction of one of the branches of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in exile, in 1966, he was tonsured in rassophore, and in 1973 a monk. Ordained to the diaconate in 1973 and to the priesthood in 1974. In 1976 he accepted the great schema in the Athos monastery of St. Elias. In 1976, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church hierarchs (C) ordained bishop
this disagrees with his timeline also
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His Eminence, Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorovky)
of New York City and New York State
To the Clergy and the Faithful of the Genuine Orthodox Church
in North America, South America, Europe and Africa:
Grace be unto you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord, Jesus Christ.
Reverend and dear Fathers, and Faithful;
It is with great joy that I write to you from the grace filled Paradise of Dormition Skete into which I have been accepted and numbered among the struggling monastic fathers. My greatest joy is that I have been accepted as a brother in the episcopate by His Eminence, Archbishop Gregory. You should know that this occurred because of the prayers of St. John Maximovitch who tonsured me a Rassophore monk and made provision for me to receive the Great Schema on Mt. Athos. He foretold that I would end my days in a grace filled monastery. This too has come to pass. I have been in conversation with Mother Mariam for over three years and her encouragement has brought me into communion with true confessing Orthodox Christians. Pray for me dear Fathers that I may live up to the expectations of my monastic Father, St. John Maximovitch and fulfill God’s Will for me in defending the Genuine Holy Orthodox Faith.
I come to you in humility having been tonsured into monasticism over forty years ago and having served in the episcopate for over thirty years. I have served as Metropolitan of the Ukrainian Orthodox Synodal Jurisdiction and as Archbishop Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria, and later as Epitropos of the Patriarchate of Jerusalem. Please keep in mind that in actuality I maintained in this country an Old-Calendar jurisdiction of the elderly clergy who served faithfully and not in communion with papal calendarists or with ecuмenist heretics. Since, however, while in actuality remaining to ourselves, I did have recognition of the Patricarchates. Therefore, having sought, and by God’s Grace, found a confessing Hierarch in the person of His Eminence, Archbishop Gregory, I was received into communion, in humility, following profession of Faith, repentance for any association, knowing or unintentionally, with ecuмenists. Having received the anointing with Holy Chrism and the laying on of hands of Archbishop Gregory, with the approval of Archbishop Makarios of Athens and all Greece, I ask for your prayers that I may remain a faithful monk in this grace filled monastery for the rest of my days and that I may serve all of you as a confessing hierarch no matter what the cost with God’s Assistance and your prayers. I am unworthy to have such a faithful brother hierarch and such faithful Orthodox Christians. Archbishop Gregory and I are one in mind and heart. I have never been happier or more peaceful than I am now in your midst. I thank you all for your prayers and best wishes. I look forward to hearing from you and to visiting with you in the future, God willing. I pray that we all may remain faithful to Holy Orthodoxy.
I, the least of all monastics, am so unworthy to be numbered among you and to take up residence in this holy grace filled monastery. As Jesus tells us, “Without Me, you can do nothing.” But as St. Paul tells us, “I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me.” Pray for me Fathers that this unworthy hierarch in communion with all of you will be able to say with St. Paul, “I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me.”
With Archpastoral blessings, I remain,
+Archbishop Ambrose
of New York City and New York State
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looks like he was accepted and made to live out his days in a monastary because of his irregular status
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Dear Faithful,
God bless you!
We wish to announce to you the joyful event of the
reception into the Genuine Orthodox Church of America of
Archbishop Ambrose, the former representative of the
Patriarchates of Jerusalem and Alexandria in the
Americas. Growing up in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, he
was ordained to all the degrees of the priesthood:
deacon, priest, bishop, archbishop, and in 1984, he
became head of the synod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church
as its metropolitan consisting of 6 bishops.
Archbishop Ambrose is Prince Regent of the Royal House of Serbia,
descended from the Namanya family of Saint Savva. His
Majesty, the late King Peter II of Yugoslavia, was his
godfather. He is also descended from Saint Vladimir
through the house of Dolgorouky and from the Paleologos
Emperors of Constantinople. This is the lineage of
Orthodox monarchs who defended the Faith and some of whom
gave their lives in such pursuit.
Archbishop Ambrose was born in 1949 in Manhattan, New
York into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A significant
turning point in Archbishop Ambrose's life occurred when
at, sixteen years of age, his two royal Serbian aunts
introduced him to Saint John Maximovitch in Manhattan.
Saint John prophesied to the young man that he would
serve the Church, and reach the rank of metropolitan. He
then tonsured him a Rassophore Monk. He also gave him a
letter, which he was to present to the abbot of Prophet
Elias Skete on the Holy Mountain, when the appropriate
time came to be tonsured to the Great Schema. This
occurred when he was twenty-seven years old.
Due to the heresy of Ecuмenism, Archbishop Ambrose
eventually was forced to seek true confessing bishops,
which led him to the Genuine Orthodox Church of America.
He had been searching since 1995 to find the true
Orthodox Church in America, since he was an American. By
the mercy of God and through the prayers of Saint John
Maximovitch, he was led to us. Because he had been in
communion with the Ecuмenists of World Orthodoxy through
the Ukrainian Church, he had to be received into our
Church by Cheirothesia. After joint agreement with
Archbishop Makarios of the Genuine Orthodox Church of
Greece, Archbishop Gregory performed this reception. The
Typicon for the reception of a hierarch in his orders
consists of the following: first Archbishop Ambrose
publicly and bareheadedly in the Cathedral of the
Dormition read the Creed, and then read the Declaration,
wherein he proclaimed his adherence to all the canons of
the Seven Ecuмenical Councils as well as the Regional
Councils, and summarily condemned the Ecuмenical heresy.
He then signed the Declaration and presented it to his
Eminence, Archbishop Gregory. Archbishop Ambrose then
received anointing with holy Chrism. Then he was escorted
into the sanctuary and knelt before the holy altar table,
and the prayer of Laying-on-of-Hands (Cheirothesia) was
read over him. At that time Archbishop Ambrose was then
given his mitre and his episcopal staff. The two
hierarchs concelebrated the Divine Liturgy with peace and
love, which consummated the reception.
Archbishop Ambrose joins the Church with the title of
Archbishop of New York and New York State. We wish to
congratulate Vladyka Ambrose and pray that God grants him
many years.
our favorite spammer now has competition as the great monarch
:laugh2: :laugh2: :applause: :roll-laugh2: :laugh1:
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about archbishop gregory of denver
He grows up in the Antiochian Church. He leaves the Antiochians for the ROCOR because of Antioch's "ecuмenism". He then leaves ROCOR because of their "ecuмenism" and joins the Greek Old Calendarists. He eventually leaves this church to join the ROAC. Later, he leaves the ROAC over a disciplinary dispute and starts his own church, the GOCA. Now he considers himself and his church to be in communion only with the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece and is on record as calling himself the only true Orthodox bishop in North America. Archbishop Gregory has excommunicated virtually all of the Orthodox Church worldwide. Does it really matter now if he has never been formally excommunicated himself?
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Look at the new pictures of "Archbishop Moran":
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
This picture is an obvious fake:
Moran and Cardinal Slipyj (https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1976-slipyj.png?w=475&h=359)
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1976-slipyj.png)
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Moran has updated his website again, shown with DeKazel and Musey. I believe he was the Armada cook who was ordained and/or consecrated by a chicken farmer and in turn ordained (and later consecrated?) DeKazel. This was in the early 80's.
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Here is the original:
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Note the lighting effect now; it actually makes "pablo" fit in better.
Also, note the nice canvas texture, just like the original! Makes the whole thing look legit, right?
Seriously though, I'm a guy with no skin in this game, with 40 minutes of free time. Imagine if I were this bishop, a man who wanted to be consecrated by this bishop, or a man who worked for one of these. I could obviously do much better.
I'm not even a Photoshop expert, but I know a few tricks. But even so, I know that I could do much better if I had a few more hours to spend on it. I could make it quite believable.
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Sorry, DeKazel was ordained by 'Bishop Joseph Maria' or Bert Joseph Rauber who later joined St. Jovite. But obviously Moran was associated with Musey and DeKazel somehow. Is Gary Giuffre still alive and couldn't someone ask him?
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The picture taken from DeKazel's website, includes the same men seen in Moran's post here: https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/2015/10/06/timeline-iv/
Is this man James DeKazel or Moran? Taken from DeKazel's "Shrine of St. Jude" website.
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While Fr. Hewko last week insisted "we're still investigating Bishop Ambrose", today I read this on Facebook:
Marivi Ilagan: Have attended TLM yesterday and today presided by Bishop Ambrose Moran. We have chatted with him for hours. He seems very knowledgeable and a genuinely good priest. Let us hope and pray everything will go well with Bishop Ambrose and the Resistance.
Scholastica Marotta: Marivi Ilagan, may I ask where you attended his Mass?
Marivi Ilagan: In Bennett Co. He drives 3 hours from Buena Vista to Denver.
Marivi Ilagan: Same place where Fr. Pfeiffer does his Mass
CoraTherese AWilliams: So, he travels to say Mass for the Resistance faithful?
Marivi Ilagan: Yes
Scholastica Marotta: Thank you, Marivi Ilagan, may I ask how often he has been there to offer Mass?
Marivi Ilagan: The last few Masses in CO were offered at the last minute by Archbishop Ambrose, since he's a drive away, and the faithful accepted, how is that Fr P keeping a secret? There are sermons from Archbishop Ambrose on the inthis sign website...so obviously Fr. P isn't hiding him.
This was in the "+Faure Support Group" Facebook group.
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It looks like ambrose took down those new photos from his website.
I hope someone is archiving those photos *in case* some of this website drama gets "memory holed"
Done.
570+ MB, 61 photos.
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I am no photography expert, so can anyone explain to me why the background color of the photo from the Fr. Hewko interview does not match the one from the Ambrose site, in particular the color of the pillar which is similar in color of the pillar of Ambrose in front of the same cathedral from an earlier date? Perhaps it is just the way it was scanned in? Not accusing anyone of anything, just looking for explanations.
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1975-rome-12.png?w=476&h=374)
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/1976-slipyj.png?w=475&h=359)
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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.
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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.
I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:
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It sure is curious how the first two pictures were taken at JUST THE RIGHT ANGLE so that the edge of the brown door (on the left) lines up perfectly with the pillar.
Standing in the exact same place, same angle, a year apart?
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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.
I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:
Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.
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Previously I provided a side-by-side picture of the two letters provided on Ambrose's website. First one is his Letter of Incardination, second one is the supposed letter from Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose's appointment as Metropolitan-Archbishop.
Now I have superimposed one on top of the other. The two signatures are the same!!!!! (pardon my photoshop skill, but I got them as close in size as possible, but I think it proves beyond balance of probability)
How can this be? When people sign their name, there will always be small differences. It will not look exactly the same. Mithrandylan had a point about this might be a stamp of bishop's signature... I don't that's the case. If you ever want to, you can learn about different between handwritten signature and stamped signature --
http://www.maxrambod.com/_images/articles/_pdf/Recognize%20a%20Stamped%20or%20Printed%20Signature.pdf
I still maintain that the second letter of Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose as Metropolitan-Archbishop is a FAKE. Any "bishop" that fools us with forged signature should not be trusted.
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Sorry, DeKazel was ordained by 'Bishop Joseph Maria' or Bert Joseph Rauber who later joined St. Jovite. But obviously Moran was associated with Musey and DeKazel somehow. Is Gary Giuffre still alive and couldn't someone ask him?
This is a very good point. If Gary Giuffre had Moran visit his chapel and provide confirmations, he must have somehow been convinced of Moran's authenticity. Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre? I looked briefly online, but his websites are either very old or no longer working.
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Sorry, DeKazel was ordained by 'Bishop Joseph Maria' or Bert Joseph Rauber who later joined St. Jovite. But obviously Moran was associated with Musey and DeKazel somehow. Is Gary Giuffre still alive and couldn't someone ask him?
This is a very good point. If Gary Giuffre had Moran visit his chapel and provide confirmations, he must have somehow been convinced of Moran's authenticity. Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre? I looked briefly online, but his websites are either very old or no longer working.
Yes, "somehow convinced" at least temporarily. That's the modus operandi of Ambrose Moran. He takes pictures, gets himself in all these places long enough to add to his scrapbook, and his scrapbook becomes part of his future "evidence" to convince future places that he's the real deal. The photos can't scream or talk, "We got rid of this guy! He's a fraud!"
His strategy is "quantity over quality". He bombards you with a bunch of convincing-at-first-glance "proof", mostly proof that would only convince a layman on an emotional level. He only needs to win the benefit of the doubt, long enough to get you to allow him in for a week or so (so he can get more pictures!) and then he moves on.
Right now, he could show add to his collection: He could be preaching/saying Mass at "SSPX-MC Pfeiffer Resistance Headquarters", standing next to the main building, and saying Mass for one of their groups in Colorado.
Do I need to repeat? Where was this man for the past 25 years? Trad Catholics have needed the services of a Trad bishop for a very long time. Where was he hiding up till recently? Why did he only come out of hiding, and end up at a dysfunctional place like Boston, KY (where the priest in charge has above-average Episcopal ambitions) and has an apostate right-hand-man like Pablo?
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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.
I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:
Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.
Or the door is open in the second one and maybe it's not the exact same picture.
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Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre?
He put together the July-August 2015 issue of Chiesa viva so call the apostolate of Our Lady of Good success to ask.
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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.
I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:
Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.
Or the door is open in the second one and maybe it's not the exact same picture.
Which would imply two separate photoshop efforts.
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Has anyone looked up his Father as addresses to on the postcard, Charles Moran? If his parents are deceased there could be some obituaries that would list his siblings.
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Forgive me if this has already been posted, but on a Byzantine forum someone posted this:
If you can bring yourself to watch and listen to the first of the youtube videos linked above, your head will spin.
Ambrose claims to have been in high school during VII (opened in 62, closed in 65). Ordained priest in 1974 and ordained to the episcopate in 1976 (fastest elevation in history, perhaps) to enter the USSR and ordain bishops for the UGCC in Ukraine. But, strangely he gets sent to the US - where he serves in Ruthenian and Ukrainian parishes and he's ordered by HB Joseph to help out the Latins (because why?) and, meantime, he's helping Fenton and the ORCM. "I was advised to head one of these jurisdictions" - what jurisdictions?
The man has an imagination beyond belief.
I reviewed several volumes of the Official Catholic Directory from the 70s and 80s and find no listing for him among the clergy. Likewise, I don't recollect any references to him in the histories of any Ruthenian or UGCC parish in the US during the period that he describes. He began to show up in occasional internet references in the early 21st century - with UAOC-C, then GOC, now he's going for SSPX Resistence.
He seems to have managed to get his picture taken in Rome (if indeed those are of him) - hard to do? Nope, definitely not in the 70s or 80s. Around that time, Eastern bishops, up to and including Patriarchs, were notoriously easily led into acceptance of all manner of clergy offering claims of their p resbyteral provenance and dressing the part - it's scary but it definitely happened, especially those who claimed to be jumping from some other, non-Catholic, jurisdiction (I suspect that the view was - thank goodness, we've saved another one).
The short of it - Ambrose is a bishop in his mind, and appears to have mastered his spiel very well, since he repeats it nearly perfectly from one time to the next (always a plus, lest someone realize the story's changed). He has an answer for everything, conveniently eludes some points - like his time with the GOC, has no names for 2 of his 3 episcopal consecrators.
The man is a classic vagante.
Many years,
Neil
http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/413164/Re:_Info_on_Archbishop_Ambrose
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Scroll down and more photos have been posted in the timelines. There are three photos with what looks like a Franciscan brother who apparently was affiliated with Fr. Ward. It looks like an older photo and doesn't look photoshopped.
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(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/school-3.png)
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Another photo
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/school.png)
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What is the purpose of this topic? Why do we need more information about this "bishop?" What is the end game? Is there an end game? I am personally astonished that it has received so much attention. :confused1:
I agree with that. I would be quite happy if the fellow turns out to be the real thing. but it seems that a lot of folks don't want him to be.
There appears to be a lot of general evidence that he may be and from what I have seen nothing conclusive to say that he isn't.
There are more important issues related to Kentucky than this man.
I would be excited if he was the real thing, but I am almost sure he is not. The photo shopped picture with Cardinal Slipij is what did it for me. It's kind of a pretty big deal if he is offering Mass for the faithful, especially if he is a fraud.
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The obvious, and in your face, end game is Bishop Pfeiffer vs. Bishop Williamson.
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This thread serves a great purpose. If we can flush him out publicly, that may prevent him from doing great harm to souls by providing invalid Sacraments (i.e. simulating Sacraments). That's more important than Pfeifferian politics. It seems that only conclusive proof here on CathInfo might deter Father Pfeiffer from doing further damage to souls by allowing this man to say Mass for the faithful.
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Ambrose's typo. He meant Fr. McMahon, one of Fr. Ward's priests... Ambrose mentioned this in his sermon.
Scroll down and more photos have been posted in the timelines. There are three photos with what looks like a Franciscan brother who apparently was affiliated with Fr. Ward. It looks like an older photo and doesn't look photoshopped.
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This thread serves a great purpose. If we can flush him out publicly, that may prevent him from doing great harm to souls by providing invalid Sacraments (i.e. simulating Sacraments). That's more important than Pfeifferian politics. It seems that only conclusive proof here on CathInfo might deter Father Pfeiffer from doing further damage to souls by allowing this man to say Mass for the faithful.
Exactly.
You think Fr. Pfeiffer's disorganized, chaotic, hodgepodge seminary is a problem now? Wait until one or more priests is ordained by this possibly invalid, fraudulent "bishop" and starts saying "mass" for groups of Fr. Pfeiffer's followers.
Wait until Fr. Pfeiffer is consecrated bishop -- then the problem will be exponentially greater.
We've already found pretty conclusive evidence that photo(s) have been doctored. What legit bishop does this? And where was he for the past 25 years? His story doesn't add up, and there are too many questions.
But we're aiming for the most convincing proof we can come up with, to show the world they need to avoid this bishop and to tell Fr. Pfeiffer DON'T DO IT, MAN! Don't make things any worse than they already are!
Souls are at a stake here.
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J. Paul: There are more important issues related to Kentucky than this man.
Yes. Whoever this man is, or may be, or may not be, is not really the issue, (as far as I'm concerned anyway) What really is at issue here is why Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko felt compelled to bring him in for an interview. What are the real motives behind this ploy? Why do they feel it necessary to go in search of a new bishop, etc.? In other words, what is the end game?
The obvious guess is an end run around Bishop Williamson, and perhaps a Bishop who will do as he is told.
Am I getting warmer............... :confused1:
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N.B. A few observations (more important and telling than they first seem!)
1) Moran claims to have been consecrated in 1976 by Slipy. If this is so - and he was Slipy's coadjutor or whatever - then why didn't he consecrate Fr. Musey? Musey was only consecrated by Bishop Moises Carmona on April 1, 1982.
2) Moran (if it is really him!) is shown behind now-Bishop Musey at a Chrism Mass. The earliest Chrism Mass that Musey could have performed would have been exactly one week after his own consecration, on Holy Thursday... April 8, 1982. If it had been a subsequent year, Moran still would have been a bishop since 1976 anyway.
Again, Moran was already a bishop at that point for 6 years. Never does a bishop dress as a simple priest for a Chrism Mass, and Moran could have consecrated his own chrism.
Explanation?
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Well, the Father William Moran pictures / history seem legit. Looks like he was a Byzantine/Ukrainian priest in the 1974 timeframe. I looked at the websites of the churches in two of the pictures of Father Moran, and the churches (St. Andrews and St. Nicholas) look the same as in the Father Moran pictures.
Where it gets incredibly murky is when Father Moran somehow morphs into Ambrose Moran. Ambrose Moran starts sporting a beard (is that a requirement for Ukrainian bishops?), so it's a little hard to tell if it's the same person. There's clearly an Ambrose Moran who's a bishop of some kind. But there's a discontinuity here. Only that one picture, which appears doctored, shows him near Cardinal Slipyj, and who knows if the consecration certificate is real or doctored. Nothing on catholic-hierarchy.org regarding Borecky having co-consecrated, or Cardinal Slipyj having consecrated any Ambrose or William Moran.
My guess is that William Moran is not Ambrose Moran. William Moran indeed appears to have been ordained a Ukrainian Rite priest (too much evidence for that). Whether William became Bishop Ambrose Moran at the hands of Cardinal Slipyj ... that's highly doubtful. Those clandestine bishops have long since come out and appear on catholic-hierarchy.org.
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One possible sequence is that Father William Moran was indeed ordained in 1974, started working with Father Ward and also the ORCM in 1975/1976, and then he went off and got consecrated by some dubious schismatic line in 1976.
Another possibility is that Ambrose and William are not the same person at all but that they know eachother somehow (showing why Ambrose has in his possession pictures of William) -- are they indeed brothers?
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There are more photos. I must admit these photos are fascinating. Who IS this man?
https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
There is a photo with Ambrose Moran and Bishop Daly, the NO bishop of Rockville Centre, Long Island among many others.
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The burden of proof is on Ambrose. He is purporting to be a clandestine bishop (or rather Archbishop and Patriarch!!!) and we have only his word to go on. The photos and signatures are all questionable. He is going to have to produce living witnesses. If he can't do that or if he does do that and they are found to be lacking credibility then we have to assume that Ambrose is not a bishop and probably not a priest either. A doubtful bishop is no bishop at all.
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For all we know, he has improved his photoshop skills.
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More info:
http://opuspublicuм.com/2015/10/06/bishop-ambrose-moran-the-plot-thickens/
Check the comments. According to one +Slipyj would not issue official docuмents in English.
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More info:
http://opuspublicuм.com/2015/10/06/bishop-ambrose-moran-the-plot-thickens/
Check the comments. According to one +Slipyj would not issue official docuмents in English.
Yep....
The "Archbishop's" wordpress site has Pablo's filtthy fingerprints all over it too.
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BISHOP AMBROSE MORAN – THE PLOT THICKENS
I apologize (slightly), but I’ve become intrigued by the case of one Bishop Ambrose Moran whose murky background and somewhat preposterous story of being consecrated a bishop by Patriarch Josyf Slipyj has sent several persons — myself included — digging into the complicated history of late-20th Century Eastern Christianity. As I stated in my previous post on the matter, it appears that Ambrose was never a member of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC), either as a priest or a bishop. This has not stopped Ambrose from trying to shore up his tale, however. A new web-log, presumably run by the good bishop, has now popped up with photos and docuмents which superficially appear to support his claim to both UGCC incardination and episcopal consecration. It has been noted, however, that the “William Moran” whose name appears on some of the docuмents and whose pictures have been used may not in fact be Ambrose Moran, but rather a brother or some other relative. How that all shakes out remains to be seen.
What can be seen right now, however, is Bishop Ambrose (Amvrosij)’s website for the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the USA, which seems to have been his “ecclesiastical home” prior to aligning himself with the Roman Catholic traditionalist movement known as the “Resistance.” Three quick points need to be made here.
First, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the USA is not the same as either the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC) or the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the USA (UOC-USA). The UAOC is an independent Orthodox church without canonical recognition while the UOC-USA is under the Ecuмenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Although there are some who believe Ambrose was, for a time, associated with the UAOC, this information cannot be verified with any certainty at this point.
Second, the mailing address for Ambrose’s Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the USA is a PO Box located in Buena Vista, Colorado. Buena Vista is the home of the so-called Genuine Orthodox Church of America (GOCA), a hub for vagante Orthodox bishops. Ambrose was at one time received into the GOCA, though it appears he has parted company with them.
And last, no member of the UGCC I have contacted has ever met Bishop Ambrose, and only one had any knowledge of him period. As more concrete information comes to light, I will be sure to post it in due course.
COMMENTS:
I looked at blog with the photos and docuмents. There’s something strange about the photo of Ambrose and Cardinal Slipyj. Something just not right. It looks doctored to me. The sunlight and shadows don’t seem correct.
Also, why in the photos labeled “Bishop Ambrose in Toronto, Canada. Also in the picture are: a Jesuit Deacon (name unknown), a Fr. Dr. Bilainculi and two Catholic priest-professors at the University of Toronto” is he not wearing the sakkos? He looks more like a mitred archpriest.
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Athanasius McVay
October 7, 2015 at 1:11 am
It’s a complete fake
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Dale
October 6, 2015 at 3:04 pm
One should also mention that the Ukrainian group that he professes to have belonged to is not the Autochephalous Ukrainian Orthodox Church based in the Ukraine, and the third largest Orthodox grouping there. They also have a presence in the United States. The group he headed seems to be not too much more than a paper-organization. He seems to be a complete charlatan.
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Dale
October 6, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Sorry, Gabriel, I noticed that you did indeed point this out.
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Adam DeVille
October 6, 2015 at 6:05 pm
I’ve handled docuмents from the Toronto chancery signed by the late Bp. Isidore of blessed memory. The typeface and letterhead on this blog are the same so far as I recall, and the bishop’s signature also, but I am not an expert in these matters and would not swear to their matching under oath. I have never heard of this character before, nor in any of my reading (which admittedly is not exhaustive) of UGCC history, including its very careful efforts to preserve apostolic succession in the Soviet period, have I ever come across this man. Making this seem even more suspicious that that no UGCC bishop (nor, for that matter, any Catholic bishop in my experience) takes to the Internet to protest/demonstrate his lineage and ordination in this way. The only ones who do this, in my experience, are those whose “legitimacy” is indeed suspect. Me thinks he doth protest too much. But I await correction/confirmation/clarification from friends in the UGCC who know this history much more than I do.
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Athanasius McVay
October 7, 2015 at 1:12 am
the signatures are clearly forged, as is the letterhead. Slipyj did not issue docuмents in this form, and never in English!
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Martin Pryor
October 7, 2015 at 9:02 am
The photos appear to depict Moran at various times and places. Could it be that he was dismissed, for whatever reason, from the UGCC and then began a “flirtation” with Orthodoxy, only to return to the Roman orbit via the “Resistance”.
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I'm going to fill in my answers to your questions in the quote itself, if you don't mind:
Some may think this issue is irrelevant or not worth discussing but what is the impact of this situation to the faithful who receive sacraments from this group? Here are some questions:
Should one ever attend a Mass with Moran celebrating?
NO. Doubtful ordination.
Should one ever attend a Mass with Fr Pfeiffer since he's made it abundantly clear that he endorses Moran as an Archbishop?
Why not? It's not a contagious disease. Fr. Pfeiffer is still a validly ordained priest.
Should one ever attend a Mass with Fr Hewko because he supports it as well? Yes. See my previous answer.
Has Fr Pfeiffer become a schismatic?
Not exactly, but he has sectarian tendencies with his "red light" position.
Is Fr Pfeiffer teaching heresy in his sermons?
Debatable. I'd have to hear the sermon in question.
Is Fr Pfeiffer teaching heresy by his actions?
Again, I don't really have the info/time for this one right now.
What does it mean that Fr Pfeiffer claims his only authority is the Pope? Does that mean he himself is a bishop?
I haven't heard him say that. Did he?
Is this confusion enough in itself for one to avoid this group altogether for danger to one's faith even if it means no sacraments?
If there is a danger, then yes.
Should one go back to the SSPX? FSSP? Indult?
Perhaps, for SOME, it wouldn't be the end of the world to go back to the SSPX. The red light position was a mistake. But that doesn't mean that SOME SSPX chapels aren't to be avoided, because some are. But perhaps the affected parties could go back to the drawing board, and see if they were mistaken in adopting Father's red-light position.
HOWEVER, even if a few people had to "go back", they certainly need to support any Resistance chapels in the area, even 2 hours from their home, or they'll be without Mass options in a few years. Remember that!
Indult is seldom a good option. It's not really Trad, since they deny the first tenet of Traditional Catholicism ("Catholics have a right to doubt-free Mass and sacraments") and they usually deny the Freemasonic infiltration and the 100% evil of Vatican II. Those are reasons to avoid the Indult.
Mother Mary, help us!!!!!!
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For a Trad, the decision on where to go to Mass is a prudential one. There are no automatic answers that apply to everyone. It depends on the Mass options in your area, and even the SPECIFICS of those chapels/locations.
You have to weigh the dangers of each. You pick your poison.
But for those deciding to attend the SSPX on a yellow-light basis, I just have one thing to say:
Don't let your YELLOW LIGHT become a GREEN LIGHT. What's the difference you ask? The answer is simple. If you FAIL TO SUPPORT BUDDING RESISTANCE EFFORTS IN YOUR AREA, YOU ARE GREEN-LIGHTING THE SSPX, as in "full speed ahead, keep up the good work!".
The green-light position is almost as bad a position as the red-light position. In the practical realm, the green-lighter places himself right beside all the ignorant accordistas who think a deal with modernist Rome would be great. Even if he "theoretically" supports the resistance, his support rings hollow if he doesn't even show up for Mass when a Resistance priest comes to town once in a while.
WHEN the SSPX goes full-Indult, and you have to leave, where are you going to go then? Huh? Think about it!
To use the ship/lifeboat analogy, "yellow lighting" is the equivalent to staying on the sinking ship until the last possible minute before you get in a lifeboat. Which is fine -- you might stay alive that way. But if you fail to arrange for a lifeboat, you WILL sink and die when the boat goes down. So don't get too comfy on that ship, forgetting that it just hit an iceberg!
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I looked around on a genealogy site and it looks to me like William is Ambrose. Sometimes he uses either or name but they are listed as both being born January 3, 1949. His middle name seems to be Edward and when he is listed as Ambrose he has used either W. or E. as his middle initial. His father seems to have been Charles J. Moran born Aug 28, 1907 and died in Nassau Co. New York in April, 1987. His mother seems to be Leora H. Moran born in West Virginia on Feb 14, 1917 and died in Suffolk, NY January 26, 2005. She also lived in Jericho, New York for awhile. It looks like he may have lived with or taken care of his elderly mother because he had the same address as she did. It looks like he was an only child of somewhat older parents. I would look for an obituary for his parents in their local newspapers but I don't live in New York.
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PLEASE REMEMBER:
This "bishop" Ambrose Moran has been, and maybe still is, an official and public member of a schismatic sect. Since the proclamation of Papal infallibility in 1870, this grave sin is also a sin of heresy, because these churches refuse to accept this dogma of the Faith.
The 1917 Code of Canon Law says this about such apostates, whether lay or clerics, in Canon 2314:
Paragraph 1) All the apostates from the Faith, and each and single heretics or schismatics:
a- Incurr an automatic excommunication;
b- Unless, after admonition, they have converted, they are to be deprived of any benefice, dignity, pension, office, or any charge they may have in the Church, and are to be declared infamous, and clerics, after a second monition, are to be deposed.
c- If they have given they names to a non-catholic sect, or have publicly adhered to it, they are automatically infamous and, if clerics, and after a monition has been sent in vain, they are to be degraded.
Please note: The punishment of infamy, mentioned above, means that the infamous person "cannot receive, nor exercise, any benefices, functions, pensions, ecclesiastical dignities, legitimate ecclesiastical acts, and MUST BE PREVENTED FROM EXERCISING THE SACRED MINISTRY AND FROM ANY LEGITIMATE ECCLESIASTICAL ACTS[/i][/b][/i]". (Canon 2294 Par. 1).
I am reproducing now what I had posted before:
In 2007, Archbishop Gregory received Archbishop Ambrose (Moran-Dolgorouky) of New York City, one of many episcopi vagantes who claim to have been consecrated by independent Ukrainian bishops, into the GOCA. After his reception, he participated in the consecration of Archimandrite John (Egan) as Bishop of Colorado Springs, along with Archbishop Gregory, on January 6, 2008. SOURCE : http://orthodoxwiki.org/Genuine_Orthodox_Church_of_America
Everybody on this thread has worked hard to find out who this guy is. Let us not forget this important element of the equation.
About 10 years ago, I read a book published in the late 50's titled: [b]"Bishops at Large".[/b] It detailed the history of bishops who have been consecrated by schismatic bishops and who have founded so-called "catholic" churches with pompous names. These men were very vain and at war with each other, claiming the others had not been validly consecrated. This led to many of them making temporary alliances, like joining the church of somebody else, and being re-consecrated a few times. Many of them claimed to be of royal or noble blood from obscure European countries. The whole story of Bishop Ambrose reminds me of what I read in this book. Maybe somebody could search the Net for this book.
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Thanks. I get asked a lot of these questions and didn't know how to answer. Here's one I left off--should people be concerned that attendance at a Pfeiffer/Hewko mass gives the impression that they accept Moran and approve of the actions of Fr?
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I just got an e-mail from the chapel coordinator of St. Jude's outside Houston, TX.
He seems to have a grudge against the SSPX, Abp. Lefebvre, etc. which isn't surprising since he's run a Sedevacantist chapel for 40 years. Bitterness towards the "controlled opposition" SSPX is common among sedevacantists.
But he offers us some helpful information in our investigation of Ambrose Moran.
Hello Matthew:
Our group in Texas first met Fr. William Moran in 1976 (two years after his ordination as a Ukrainian Catholic priest) when he agreed to fill in for one Sunday at our Latin Mass center near Houston. He again visited us in 1979 after his appointment as an Eastern rite archimandrite, which I was informed at the time was roughly equivalent to an abbot in the Roman rite, with privileges to confirm. He is now saying he was a bishop at the time, but we were not informed of this back then.
What we also did not know until years later was that in September, 1946, Pope Pius XII had already granted faculties to all priests to confirm during any long absences of the local bishop. If this had been better known to remnant Catholics during the '70s, '80s and '90's, they could have avoided the ham-fisted tactics of the property-coveting "societies" to confiscate their chapel buildings in exchange for their dog-and-pony-show confirmation ceremonies conducted by persons wearing episcopal mitres who were ultimately behind all the hostile takeover attempts of the last 4 decades. If I have stepped on the toes of any exalted or sainted prelates living or dead by my comments above, it is completely intentional, for the antics of these people has caused nearly all legitimate resistance to the monstrous usurpation within the Vatican to be run into the ditch and set back 40 years.
Here is a site (plus two related pages) that was recently sent to me by someone who has no connection to Fr. Pfeifer.
These pages have been posted by some Orthodox bishops whom Archbishop Ambrose says he was trying to bring into the Catholic Church. But they say he joined THEM, and not the other way around. In one of the sites they say he was later separated from them, or what they call the "Genuine Orthodox Church", but still remained in some branch of "World Orthodoxy."
In defense of Archbishop Ambrose, Father Pfeifer says that these allegations of Ambrose's defection to the schismatic Orthodox are untrue, and that their version of the Archbishop's recent history presented in these pages is completely false.
I will have to leave to others to sort out these issues since the clergyman in question did not represented himself to be a bishop when he last visited our Mass center 36-years ago. As his focus at the time was primarily the needs of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, for which he was ordained, there was no occasion for us to invite him back, since we were in desperate need of a permanent-resident, senior Catholic priest of the Roman rite, as our chaplain back then was dying of pulmonary disease.
Sincerely,
GG
http://www.archbishopgregory.info/chapter_41_reception_ab_ambrose.shtml
http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8279
http://www.gocamerica.org/history_canonicity_timeline_events_archbishop_ambrose.shtml
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It seems likely that he truly was/is a priest (contra Bishop Sanborn's memory concerning the janitor) but the claim to the episcopacy is once again put in grave doubt. And while he may very well be a valid priest, his docuмented association with the schismatics (just 7-8 years ago) is cause to avoid him like the plague.
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The stories I have seen about the man do not match. In some accounts given by "Orthodox" sources, he grew up a schismatic and was ordained and consecrated by schismatics. But in the account he gave to Father Hewko he grew up Eastern Rite Catholic and was ordained and consecrated by Catholics. Does he have one story of his life for the schismatics and another one for the Catholics?
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It seems likely that he truly was/is a priest (contra Bishop Sanborn's memory concerning the janitor) but the claim to the episcopacy is once again put in grave doubt. And while he may very well be a valid priest, his docuмented association with the schismatics (just 7-8 years ago) is cause to avoid him like the plague.
It seems likely that William Moran was a priest. Have no idea who "Ambrose" is still.
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Does anyone have any info on the other Bishops Cardinal Slipyj consecrated? If they were to go into the Soviet Union did they let the public in non-Communist countries know that they were Bishops?
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Who ordained Moran to the priesthood? Where is the certificate?
Ambrose could have been a "mitered archpriest/archimandrite" but he claims to have been consecrated in 1976 and GG says that he last visited in 1979.
Still doesn't add up.
It seems likely that he truly was/is a priest (contra Bishop Sanborn's memory concerning the janitor) but the claim to the episcopacy is once again put in grave doubt. And while he may very well be a valid priest, his docuмented association with the schismatics (just 7-8 years ago) is cause to avoid him like the plague.
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So he was 16 in 1965...
tonsured an Orthodox monk
while supposedly in Catholic high school,
to be introduced shortly thereafter to Cardinal Slipy in Rome.
(By the way, he said he did his philosophy there at Don Bosco.
Was he a Salesian, too? He's seen wearing a Roman (not Eastern cassock).
And where did he do his theology?
And who gave him minor orders, subdiaconate and diaconate?)
He was 27 in 1976...
the year he claims to be supposedly consecrated bishop by Cardinal Slipy,
two years after ordination to the Ukrainian Catholic priesthood,
simultaneously serving ORCM/trad missions in the U.S.
but while on remote Mount Athos in Greece?
And of course, he's descended from royalty.
He was involved in the Patriarchates of Alexandria and Jerusalem, too.
An English consecration certificate by Slipy?
Called to Rome, consecration and being named a coadjutor major archbishop only two years after ordination to the priesthood? ...
With full powers, to go into Russia and consecrate or whatever
(Did that ever happen?)
And to take care of the Latin Rite, over which Slipy had no jurisdiction,
and while Archbishop Lefebvre had already been on the scene, traveling all over the world?
All of this, and present at Novus Ordo confirmations and weddings and youth groups in the 80's?!
Sure...
Archbishop Ambrose was born in 1949 in Manhattan, New
York into the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A significant
turning point in Archbishop Ambrose's life occurred when
at, sixteen years of age, his two royal Serbian aunts
introduced him to Saint John Maximovitch in Manhattan.
Saint John prophesied to the young man that he would
serve the Church, and reach the rank of metropolitan. He
then tonsured him a Rassophore Monk. He also gave him a
letter, which he was to present to the abbot of Prophet
Elias Skete on the Holy Mountain, when the appropriate
time came to be tonsured to the Great Schema. This
occurred when he was twenty-seven years old.
from: http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8279
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I certainly do not yet believe that this ambrose is a priest. He may have picture proof of his success/ability to lie and infiltrate, but that is not actually saying that he is a priest. He has not revealed any of that docuмentation. And, I suspect that is because we would be able to sniff out the fraud. It is certain he is a fraud, we are just not sure to what degree a fraud he is.
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I read that Orthodox site. They wanted Bishop (?) Ambrose to co-consecrate a Bishop so that they could have a Synod. It looks like either he or they were eager to make Bishop Ambrose's bio Orthodox to lend legitimacy to the consecration of their new Bishop. So that's the question, did he tell them all that stuff or did they make it up? You might think that their website would have some of the pictures and docuмents that he gave them for proof of his prior Orthodoxy if he really did present himself in that way.
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I looked around on a genealogy site and it looks to me like William is Ambrose. Sometimes he uses either or name but they are listed as both being born January 3, 1949. His middle name seems to be Edward and when he is listed as Ambrose he has used either W. or E. as his middle initial. His father seems to have been Charles J. Moran born Aug 28, 1907 and died in Nassau Co. New York in April, 1987. His mother seems to be Leora H. Moran born in West Virginia on Feb 14, 1917 and died in Suffolk, NY January 26, 2005. She also lived in Jericho, New York for awhile. It looks like he may have lived with or taken care of his elderly mother because he had the same address as she did. It looks like he was an only child of somewhat older parents. I would look for an obituary for his parents in their local newspapers but I don't live in New York.
Did you find anything for the William Moran listed on the CITI website? He certainly exists and his middle initial is "A". As PG pointed out, his email address is billmoran52@, so he was probably born in 1952.
He was out of the priesthood by 1987, as the profile below shows.
William A. Moran
Bill Moran brings more than 25 years of teaching and program management experience. After a time at Merrill Lynch, Bill joined the heritage bank firms of JPMorgan Chase in 1987. In the Global Bank, he managed and taught in the Credit Training Program as well as training programs for correspondent bankers. Bill also marketed and recruited clients for the Credit Training Program. While at JPMorgan Chase, Bill conducted workshops in Investment Banking and related topics as part of the firm’s recruiting efforts, especially targeting Women’s Colleges and Historically Black Colleges & Universities. He has created and conducted seminars in Selling & Negotiating Skills and Public Speaking Skills in New York, other U.S. cities and in Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe and the Middle East. Bill is involved in Series 7 exam preparation as an instructor and tutor. He holds a Master’s Degree in Education.
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Is there a picture of William A. Moran on the CITI site? On one genealogy site there is a William A. Moran in New York born in 1952 but I don't see that he's connected to the Morans listed in Hicksville. His former addresses don't match that family. I also looked back into the Moran family of Hicksville and if I got the right info off of the censuses, the Morans were from Ireland and they married the Panela family. I can't find the Bishop's mother's maiden name.
The photo website needs more pics from the 1990's-2000's. I do think the picture of the Bishop and Cardinal Slepyj looks odd. But I don't think the Bishop's beard is longer on one side, that looks like his hair. The staff seems out of line. The Cardinal might be in a ray of sunlight while Ambrose is in a shadow. It's odd the Cardinal looks like he's in motion and the Bishop is so still.
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Does anyone know who the "Prince Alexis" pictured with Ambrose might be?
My bet is on this fellow:
https://strangeflowers.wordpress.com/2010/05/04/the-great-pretender/
The picture looks like him and they would certainly get along well together!
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Sorry, I can't figure out how to make this picture smaller.
Note the comment below the blog post speaking about how much evidence he had to support his claims.
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Definitely the same fellow "prince Alexis" of Ambrose's picture. The long article referenced by Mater is very revealing. All charlatans.
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Meaning this article http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dubar/x/uses-anjou.htm starting at
The press and the public eventually lost interest in the claims of the two branches of the Anjou-Durassow until 1982 when it surfaced again following the publication in Paris of a book entitled "I, Alexis, Great Grandson of the Tsar" by "H.R.H. Prince Alexis d'Anjou Romanov-Dolgorouki, Duke of Durazzo".
Some interesting tidbits about this friend of Ambrose:
- In 1969, by means of a passport he obtained from the artificial island of "Sealand", Alexis metamorphosized into the "Prince Romanov Dolgorouki". This island had been built by the Royal Navy during the second World War and was located off the southern coast of England. It had been used in connection with the Normandy landings in 1944 and after the war, the Navy decided to get rid of it. A wealthy English gentleman, Mr.Danyl Stevens (Note 21) who had long had a dream to rule over his own country bought the island. Subsequently, he sold nobiliary titles to enterprising individuals each of which came with a passport from the "Principality of Sealand". It was thus that on 4 June 1969 Alexis obtained passport No.6949 in the name of "His Highness Prince Alexis Romanov Dolgorouki". Oddly the passport showed neither his place of birth nor the identity of his royal parents. Apparently this was of no importance in the "Principality of Sealand".
- He spoke French, English, Italian and Spanish but curiously no Russian. It was this lack of what should have been his native tongue which three months later aroused the suspicions of Father Jean Maljinowski, a priest at the avenue Dupré Russian Orthodox Church in Brussels. On 7 September 1969, Alexis called upon Father Jean and asked to be baptized. The priest was nonplused. How, he asked himself, could a Russian prince of royal blood have waited until he was twenty three years of age to be baptized? Further, he did not speak one word of the language of his illustrious martyred ancestors. The priest, who had never heard of the island of Sealand, refused to administer the sacrament. Mr. Nicolas Zouboff and his daughter who were visiting Father Jean, witnessed the exchange. The "prince" was furious. He apparently needed to obtain a baptismal certificate in Russian, but the priest was adamant. As he stormily took his leave, Alexis angrily told him: "You'll see, you'll soon know who I am!"
- Another exhibit presented by the prosecutor as evidence was an amateurishly fabricated patent of nobility, allegedly issued by Emperor Charles V, dated 1546 which ennobled the Brimeyers. A further exhibit was a decree supposedly signed by Tsar Alexander II dated 5 February 1860 conferring nobility and the title of "imperial highness" to a Dolgorouki family. The use of the word "automatically" in the docuмent proved it to be indisputably false as that word was not in use in the Russian language in 1860. It would be too long to cite all of the docuмents used by the prosecution. In any event, Alexis Brimeyer was sentenced to eighteen months in jail, but he had, by then, put some distance between himself and the Belgian authorities and had taken himself to Greece.
- In a letter he wrote to the Belgian prosecutor from Athens, which he signed: "Imperator Rex", he complained bitterly about the unfairness of his sentence and informed him haughtily that he was a direct descendant of among other former reigning monarchs, the emperors of Byzantium, which might lead one to suspect that in addition to any other tendencies Alexis suffered from an imperial case of megalomania.
- One of his most notable successes was to convince the Metropolitan of the Carpatho-Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church in America, Archbishop Ambrosij, of his authenticity as a Romanov and a Dolgorouki. This was to be extremely helpful to him in establishing solid contacts in the Ukrainian diaspora. Some have said that until recently he has received a monthly living allowance from these Ukrainian circles, but we have no way of verifying this.
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It looks certain that Fr Bill Moran from CITI and Ambrose Moran are not the same fella.
It also is clear from what is posted on the ambrose website that his real name is William.
To the Ambrose webmaster:
Please post the following
-scan of his current drivers license
-scan of his birth certificate
-obituaries of both parents
-transcripts from Columbia University
-explanation why he uses the alias "Ambrose"
-evidence that his mother or father belongs to the Serbian royal family (which still exists)
-explanation why Ambrose attaches the title "Dolgulruky" to himself which is not a Ukrainian or Serbian name
-docuмentation of membership in the Serbian royal family
-why is the official religion of the Serbian royals Orthodox yet Ambrose claims his Serbian aunts were Catholic?
http://www.royalfamily.org/crown-prince-and-crown-princess-attend-consecration-of-the-monastery-church-in-mislodjin/
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I do think the picture of the Bishop and Cardinal Slepyj looks odd. But I don't think the Bishop's beard is longer on one side, that looks like his hair. The staff seems out of line. The Cardinal might be in a ray of sunlight while Ambrose is in a shadow. It's odd the Cardinal looks like he's in motion and the Bishop is so still.
Um...look at the full version, and zoom in on the left beard. When you zoom in, you can see how artificial it is. It's less convincing than my "Pablo" version of the same picture.
Look at his sideburns. He doesn't have any on the right side, but has nice dark ones on the left side. The whole thing is fake.
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Isn't it odd that he doesn't have multiple pictures of something as important as a "post-consecration photo" with Cardinal Slipyj? (Nevermind the fact they didn't "do over" the picture when the Cardinal was looking down, nor did they bother to have him face forward. He was clearly leaving St. Sophia in that picture!)
That's the strangest "post ceremony" picture I've ever seen.
But how many of us have taken pictures of an event? Don't you usually have more than one copy of each pose? Pictures are only rare and hard to come by when you have to spend hours Photoshopping each one... For a charletan, one photo is more than enough!
Also, this Ambrose Moran seems to have gone ALL OVER the place. Didn't he stay anywhere longer than a few weeks? Was he like "Abdul the Butcher", packing up his tent, loading up his camels, and moving on -- a classic "fly by night"?
Why doesn't he have Confirmations 1989, Confirmations 1991, Confirmations 1993 at the same place?
Also, I noticed he's basically in very small groups, not unlike our own Traditional movement. Nice vestments, pomp, grandeur -- for 20 people. But we also know that small, marginal groups are more likely to be desperate for a bishop, and won't have the resources to look into his story. Just like today!
If only the people in those photos could talk --
See, once he has photos, it adds to his apparent "credibility as a priest/bishop", even though it actually doesn't. It shows him acting like a priest or bishop A LOT for various people over the years. But how about giving me the names/addresses of some of the people pictured? How about some REAL docuмentation, not just evidence that select small groups of people have considered you a priest -- for a short period of time -- at various points in the past (which is all these photos prove).
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Matthew - there is another post consecration photo. He shows it in the upper left hand corner during the hewko video interview. However, it is really too blurry to make much use of the physical features. But, look at that lighting that lines the front of the ambrose when sitting. What is that, and how could that naturally occur? Where is that light coming from? Is that a smoking gun? It looks like he is on fire.
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Yes, it's so blurry as to be useless. That could be Pee-Wee Herman sitting there, for all we know.
Blurry pictures are the last refuge of a con man.
Recently, in Ukraine, we had countless cases over the past few years where the US-controlled/puppet government accused Russia of invading Ukraine.
(Word to the wise: if Russia invaded, you'd know it. Look at Syria! The US forces have been totally denied entry by a mysteriously powerful radar, and Russia's forces are all over the place. They have some pretty powerful weapons being shown off. They're annihilating the United States' proxy army, the Islamic State/ISIS. THAT'S what a Russian invasion looks like.)
What did they show for evidence? Blurry, zoomed-out, so-called "satellite images" which looked like a throwback to 1960's technology. Black and white, hard to make out anything. Google Earth does better than that! We know the United States Department of Defense has much better satellites.
Blurry pictures are used when you have no evidence, but you want to make it LOOK like you do.
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Is it only me, or do others, perhaps, question why a topic like this should get over 20,000 views. I realize that many of these are repeated hits by the same individuals. But really, how can the identity of a man brought in for an interview by Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, command so much attention? What are people trying to prove? Cui bono? :confused1:
I don't question it at all.
Cui bono? Um...the good of the Traditional world? It isn't rocket science.
If we can find concrete proof that Ambrose Moran is a fraud, then Fr. Pfeiffer will be forced to drop him like a bad habit. Countless evils will be averted.
What evils?
Let's see...
* Consecration of Fr. Pfeiffer by this fake bishop, and all the evils that will flow from that
* Ordination of seminarian(s) by this fake bishop, with all the simulated/doubtful sacraments that will come from that.
* This priest/layman continuing to say Mass at Pfeiffer-affiliated Mass centers, with all the false confessions/simulated sacraments that come from that
And you see no reason to expose this fraud?
You think Boston, KY is a mess now. That's nothing compared to where we'll be when we have doubtful "resistance" priests running around, ordained by this possibly fake bishop (or ordained by Fr. Pfeiffer, after he's consecrated by this bishop).
The seminary is already dysfunctional. Most people can see that. But at least no major harm has been done, except maybe the permanent destruction of a few precious vocations. But the damage at least ends there.
And while serious Catholics should red-light the seminary for its grave problems, the Mass centers are another story (except for Colorado, where a doubtful priest/bishop is saying Mass). Right now, if you go to a SSPX-MC (Fr. Pfeiffer affiliated) Mass center, you're going to get a valid Mass by a valid priest (Fr. Pfeiffer, Fr. Hewko). Once the floodgates are opened by this con man bishop, you'll never know if one of those invalid priests will be saying your Mass. Many people will stop going to ALL Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass centers just to be safe, and that will be a sizable blow to the US Resistance (unfortunately, at this point many people must still rely on this group).
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Is it only me, or do others, perhaps, question why a topic like this should get over 20,000 views. I realize that many of these are repeated hits by the same individuals. But really, how can the identity of a man brought in for an interview by Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, command so much attention? What are people trying to prove? Cui bono? :confused1:
Because he's already administering sacraments at the established Resistance mass locations in the US (New Mexico and Colorado). Post Falls isn't too far from there.
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Meaning this article http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dubar/x/uses-anjou.htm
Some interesting tidbits about this friend of Ambrose:
- In 1969, by means of a passport he obtained from the artificial island of "Sealand", Alexis metamorphosized into the "Prince Romanov Dolgorouki". This had been built by the Royal Navy during the second World War and was located off the southern coast of England. It had been used in connection with the Normandy landings in 1944 and after the war, the Navy decided to get rid of it. A wealthy English gentleman, Mr.Danyl Stevens (Note 21) who had long had a dream to rule over his own country bought the island. Subsequently, he sold nobiliary titles to enterprising individuals each of which came with a passport from the "Principality of Sealand". It was thus that on 4 June 1969 Alexis obtained passport No.6949 in the name of "His Highness Prince Alexis Romanov Dolgorouki".
- One of his most notable successes was to convince the Metropolitan of the Carpatho-Ukrainian Orthodox Greek Catholic Church in America, Archbishop Ambrosij, of his authenticity as a Romanov and a Dolgorouki.
The above two points are interesting. Ambrose calls himself Moran-Dolgorouky. That seems highly suspicious that his name is the same as this known imposter. And Ambrose proudly posts a picture of the imposter on his website. And then the second point is equally disturbing. Is Ambrosij another alias for Ambrose? This thing is really getting weird. Maybe Ambrose is the janitor after all?
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clemens maria - really, is that "prince" he is pictured with the "roman dolgorouki" from the article? If that is the case, then maybe ambrose is the ambrosij from the article? This needs to be read into much further.
Hollingsworth - I think this the second time you have tried to muzzle and belittle this investigation. But, it is simple. Fr. pfieffer and pablo are a force to be reckoned with. And, there will be many casualties if we do not expose and crush this.
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This is a good time to bring up another point:
The smarter you are, the better your imagination, the easier you fall prey to compulsive liars, con-men, etc.
Fr. Pfeiffer is an intelligent and gifted man.
I've seen it many times, not just online but offline as well. The reason is simple: you use your formidable and powerful imagination to find "explanations" for the various gaps, inconsistencies, and even contradictions you witness. Reading Colombiere's "charitable spontaneous biography" of Ambrose brought this to my mind.
In many cases, the smart person being duped comes up with better explanations than the con-man/liar! Or certain pathetic explanations are replaced with better ones because "after all, it's not like he's a con-man, so my explanation, which makes more sense, must be it." You might not say that, but it's deep down. You just find yourself giving others the better explanations -- the ones that you managed to fool yourself with!
And above all, not too much thought is given to the person's stories, a topic which you prefer to avoid because it makes you uncomfortable; you generally would rather not go there. Why? Because you don't want to face your worst fears: usually these con-men and compulsive liars give you something you're not likely to get elsewhere, or you DON'T THINK you're likely to get elsewhere (wealth/success, a romantic relationship, friendship...or episcopal consecration)
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Sealand: http://www.sealandgov.org/
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Hollingsworth, I'm re-posting this for YOUR BENEFIT.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Ambrose-Moran-saying-Mass-for-Pfeiffer-Faithful
Now read it, or stay out of the thread. I don't have time for stragglers, or the willfully-ignorant.
He has said Mass in Colorado at least twice. There is no RATIONAL reason any of us can cling to, to believe that this will stop anytime soon. What makes you think this isn't going to continue? Blind hope?
The priests of Boston, KY are telling different stories as to the status of the "investigation". But actions speak louder than words. We already know about the public Mass he said for them on Day One. And now, at least one group of SSPX-MC "faithful" is attending the Masses of this doubtful bishop, and already drinking the kool-aid, defending it, etc.
This is a taste of things to come if we can't expose this fraud with conclusive proof, and soon.
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In this sermon Fr Pfeiffer makes the following statements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sogtyFzZsZw
13:59 [Ambrose]"says Mass in other places for our people."
He also says "Archbishop Ambrose" numerous times. The takeaway is he says that they haven't finished their investigation but Fr Pfeiffer sees no problem with allowing someone who hasn't conclusively proven to Fr Pfeiffer that he is a Catholic bishop and priest. He says that if Ambrose is a charlatan God will judge him.
Thus far Ambrose has said Mass in Kentucky, Colorado, and New Mexico for Resistance groups despite his admission that he has not determined with certainty that Ambrose is a Catholic bishop/priest.
While this may not affect you directly Hollingsworth it will certainly affect your family and friends who are receiving their sacraments from this SSPX-MC group.
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Real MC,
The takeaway is he says that they haven't finished their investigation but Fr Pfeiffer sees no problem with allowing someone who hasn't conclusively proven to Fr Pfeiffer that he is a Catholic bishop and priest. He says that if Ambrose is a charlatan God will judge him.
And how will God judge the man [Fr. Pfeiffer -mod.]who exposed the souls under his care to him [Ambrose Moran -mod.]?
What a glib attitude these men are displaying throughout this affair.
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TheRealMcCoy: Because he's (Bp."Ambrose?) already administering sacraments at the established Resistance mass locations in the US (New Mexico and Colorado). Post Falls isn't too far from there.
Really? I guess I'm out of the loop on that one. Are you saying that right now "Bp. Ambrose" has administered sacraments at a number of the SSPX-MC sites in the U.S. serviced normally by Fr. Pfeiffer and Hewko? If so, this comes as news to me. I did not realize that he might be doing this, when it seemed to be made clear by Fr. Hewko that they were only looking at the man, and had made no decisions regarding him. So, are you saying that "Ambrose" is now integrated into the "Resistance" circuit of chapels? Please tell us more.
News to me as well. These men [those in Boston, KY -mod.] seem to be telling us selected parts of what is happening.
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Matthew said, "Reading Colombiere's "charitable spontaneous biography" of Ambrose brought this to my mind."
Your warning here is true. People fill in blanks and explain away contradictions very easily if they want something to be true or are trying to be charitable. It's easy to do. You can see it done in modern times with fake visionaries and imposters like Anna Anderson "Anastasia". The charitable side might be correct about Bishop(?) Ambrose but it's flimsy right now. Our priest used to say using one's intuition about something might be right but it was right "at the wrong time" or in other words right without hard facts, which is not the way to make good judgements. Praying for discernment and detachment is the best way to go. Then get the paperwork and witnesses.
But I must point out: this Ambrose Moran case isn't matter for charity or "benefit of the doubt".
You don't give a man who claims to be a priest or bishop the "benefit of the doubt", not for reasons of charity or any other reason.
The Catholic Church is quite clear on this matter. The Sacraments are not a joke. Adoring bread during a simulated "mass" is not a joke. The faithful going to confession with mortal sins and not getting them absolved is also not a joke!
We can be charitable, yes -- we shouldn't run him out of town on a rail, lynch him, etc. We can treat him with respect and politeness, smile, say please and thank you. But we shouldn't let him say Mass for us in the meantime, or "assume he's telling the truth, because that's the only way to be charitable. Otherwise we're assuming he's lying which is rashly judging our fellow man of sin."
No, it doesn't work that way. A priest should be happy to provide evidence of his ordination. A priest is a public man, and ordination must be a public act. The Catholic Church doesn't expect Catholics to endure doubts or doubtful sacraments, or else we're all in-the-wrong as Traditional Catholics! If doubts are fine, or even commanded by the Church, then we all better head back to our local parishes. Remember, our right to doubt-free sacraments is one of the core beliefs and justifications of the Traditional movement.
Are we "uncharitable" or "mean" for ASSUMING that our own particular local parish is A) doubtfully ordained B) has invalid Masses C) would cost us our Faith? How many of us have actually attended Mass at our local parish?
If we go down that road of "nitheness" and "chawity", it could lead to all kinds of nonsense. And I'm not being ridiculous here, either: countless Indult and Novus Ordo attendees have gone down that PRECISE road.
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By the way, Fr. Pfeiffer's implication that everyone scrutinizing his seminary and/or Ambrose Moran must be some kind of "hater" rings very hollow.
"Yes, I know Father. No one actually cares about souls -- except you and your supporters, that is. Everyone else is rotten. No one would actually have enough zeal for souls and for the truth to want to avoid having a charlatan deceive swaths of the Resistance and cause countless evils from simulated masses and fake sacraments."
Just like the neo-SSPX back in 2012 accused the Resistance of being a bunch of sedevacantists who decided to call it quits on trying to stay in the state of grace and have a spiritual life.
We all know the latter is false; and I'm here to tell you the former is false as well!
It's so easy to dismiss your critics as being "out to get you", "they just hate me", etc.
The FACTS don't line up with this sweeping implication/accusation. I stand here as a former Fr. Pfeiffer supporter. I invited Fr. Pfeiffer here several times. He came here twice, but cancelled a third time. Fr. Hewko came twice. I spoke in glowing terms of Father to a bunch of people at my SSPX chapel, trying to get them to come to his Masses here. As recently as May 2015 I was having one of his other priests, Fr. Voigt, come here on a monthly basis.
Does this sound like someone who just hates Fr. Pfeiffer?
I don't want to see him destroy the Resistance, no. This Ambrose guy is bad news. Just like Pablo is bad news. And Father doesn't seem to see it! What can I do? Just stay silent out of loyalty for the good Father has done in the past? I don't think I am supposed to do that, otherwise I would.
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Here is fr. hewko talking about ambrose and pablo from a sermon posted 2 days ago. It is short, but is worth hearing. It is about 3 to 4 minutes long. Start listening at minute 10:00. Fr. Hewko may be following these threads, which would be good. He acknowledges that people think pablo is a satanist/witch. Fr. Hewko says it is not true, but if it were true, he would use his knuckles against such a person.
Also, apparently there are many more photographs that will be posted if they conclude ambrose is the real deal, which it appears they still do. But, we still have not seen the ordination papers/pictures.
And, the line they are now using about ambose's schismatic episode is that bishop gregory lied and made up all that orthodox sounding stuff about ambrose. But, we have that written sermon about ambose from that cafe site that sounded real schismatic. So, I don't believe the bishop gregory lie bit. Gregory has made his name from being brutally honest about fraud in orthodoxy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iCgfLIsla4
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At about 30 minutes he assures us that the faith is real (after telling us how he has secret connections in the Vatican and the pentagon and Nixon)...because he has "experienced the Holy Ghost"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYN_E3guNnA
He isn't really a very good con-man. He's actually very disingenuous when he speaks.
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PG, I listened to this sermon. Fr. H talks about fighting the fight of ABL and Tradition, "which all bishops should be doing" Does he infer that Bps. Williamson and Faure are not fighting the fight as ABL would have fought it? I think he may be saying just that. Why don't these SSPX-MC priests turn the matter over to the two bishops? Let them put "Bp Ambrose" before +Williamson and+Faure. Let those two adjudicate it. Or, at the very least, ask for their comments on the man.
I think it is clear that the two Boston, KY priests are looking to run an end around the two bishops. They know that +W and +F look disapprovingly upon their activities, so they're scrambling around for a bishop who can help implement Fr. P's cultish program.
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Also, apparently there are many more photographs that will be posted if they conclude ambrose is the real deal, which it appears they still do. But, we still have not seen the ordination papers/pictures.
I listened to this last night, but there being many more photographs wasn't exactly my take-away ... perhaps I missed something. I know he said they had lots of photos, but did he mention that some have been shared and there are plenty more to come?
And, the line they are now using about ambose's schismatic episode is that bishop gregory lied and made up all that orthodox sounding stuff about ambrose. But, we have that written sermon about ambose from that cafe site that sounded real schismatic. So, I don't believe the bishop gregory lie bit. Gregory has made his name from being brutally honest about fraud in orthodoxy.
I don't see how the whole episode could be explained away as an untruth. There are a series of photos of Ambrose assisting with the elevation of a new bishop. In what manner could those be false?
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PG, I listened to this sermon. Fr. H talks about fighting the fight of ABL and Tradition, "which all bishops should be doing" Does he infer that Bps. Williamson and Faure are not fighting the fight as ABL would have fought it? I think he may be saying just that. Why don't these SSPX-MC priests turn the matter over to the two bishops? Let them put "Bp Ambrose" before +Williamson and+Faure. Let those two adjudicate it. Or, at the very least, ask for their comments on the man.
I think it is clear that the two Boston, KY priests are looking to run an end around the two bishops. They know that +W and +F look disapprovingly upon their activities, so they're scrambling around for a bishop who can help implement Fr. P's cultish program.
I don't think the two -- Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko -- are quite on the same page about this. In Father Pfeiffer's Sept 3rd sermon, he asks the rhetorical question "who will ordain our seminarians?" and without even mentioning Bps. Williamson or Faure, tosses out the idea that Bp Fellay may experience an extreme sequence of events leading to their welcoming him to Boston, KY for ordinations. The fact that he even mentions this as an issue reveals plenty about his relationship with the two bishops.
Meanwhile, Fr. Hewko still mentions Bp Williamson in his sermons -- first that Ambrose and he might be able to meet at some point and then last Sunday asking for prayers for many, including Bp Williamson.
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PG, I listened to this sermon. Fr. H talks about fighting the fight of ABL and Tradition, "which all bishops should be doing" Does he infer that Bps. Williamson and Faure are not fighting the fight as ABL would have fought it? I think he may be saying just that. Why don't these SSPX-MC priests turn the matter over to the two bishops? Let them put "Bp Ambrose" before +Williamson and+Faure. Let those two adjudicate it. Or, at the very least, ask for their comments on the man.
I think it is clear that the two Boston, KY priests are looking to run an end around the two bishops. They know that +W and +F look disapprovingly upon their activities, so they're scrambling around for a bishop who can help implement Fr. P's cultish program.
I don't think the two -- Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko -- are quite on the same page about this. In Father Pfeiffer's Sept 3rd sermon, he asks the rhetorical question "who will ordain our seminarians?" and without even mentioning Bps. Williamson or Faure, tosses out the idea that Bp Fellay may experience an extreme sequence of events leading to their welcoming him to Boston, KY for ordinations. The fact that he even mentions this as an issue reveals plenty about his relationship with the two bishops.
Meanwhile, Fr. Hewko still mentions Bp Williamson in his sermons -- first that Ambrose and he might be able to meet at some point and then last Sunday asking for prayers for many, including Bp Williamson.
I don't know I think it is a matter of not seeming too hostile to the Bishop as that would automatically alienate a lot of people. I agree that this Bishop business is a poke in Bishop Williamson's eye.
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I had to post this in three pieces so I just gave it it's own thread, but we can discuss it here or there...
It's basically a response from the Orthodox Gregory that was sent and has a copy of the con-letter and some pictures and comments.
The letter gives some interesting insight to who he might or might not be because we are told of parent's first names and godparents etc.
One interesting statement he makes is that he was baptized an Orthodox...
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/An-orthodox-bishop-speaks
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Absolutely great work, Centroamerica.
Thanks. I think that this is enough to question why he is offering Mass in Catholic circles, and the names and info provided could probably be verified. The big thing to me was that he claimed to be born and baptized Orthodox. If this is true then that will require a "second look" by Frs. Hewko and Pfeiffer. Especially this business of allowing him to offer Mass for the faithful. We now have a picture image that appears authentic sent from an orthodox bishop, and this can be verified, of this Ambrose signing that he does not accept Rome as the valid Church, well, now he should have to clarify this picture and accusation by the Orthodox bishop.
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centro - he claimed in your links to have been an old calendarist(that means schismatic) all his life. And, the ecuмenism with rome by the orthodox these days is their big heresy. The article means that he says he is and was always a schismatic. Athos is the orthodox monastic mountain, and it is all schismatic.
But, we know that he has been working in catholic circles all his life via his pics. So, it really just means that he is a through and through liar.
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centro - he claimed in your links to have been an old calendarist(that means schismatic) all his life. And, the ecuмenism with rome by the orthodox these days is their big heresy. The article means that he says he is and was always a schismatic. Athos is the orthodox monastic mountain, and it is all schismatic.
But, we know that he has been working in catholic circles all his life via his pics. So, it really just means that he is a through and through liar.
That's what I got out of everything also, and also I think that this lends to the idea that that is not him in those pictures. He claimed to have been a schismatic all his life born and baptized.
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clemens maria - gregory of colorado mentions that the colorado authorities are aware of ambrose moran problems. So, it could be really easy getting the authorities involved. They probably already understand the situation to a certain degree.
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I posted this in the other thread, but I post it here for helpful practical reasons.
Listen from minute 27:00- 27:45 and you will hear ambrose talk about how he has been living in colorado fasting for 7 years, and how he joined a independant orthodox monastery/group(gregory's group). So, the ambrose moran in the OP colorado photos is this ambrose moran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYN_E3guNnA
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It was in 2008 that ambrose moran left gregory of colorado's group. And that places his "7 year fast" in colorado correct in the timeline. This ambrose moran is the schismatic liar that gregory has revealed him to be.
Here is copy and paste from gregory's site
On July 27, 2008, a letter written and signed by Archbishop Ambrose was received by the holy Synod, portraying the Synod of the GOC of America as non-existent. Archbishop Ambrose signed it as the Metropolitan of Kiev and the Exarch of the Patriarchate of Alexandria, thus reverting back to his former status as part of World Orthodoxy.
On July 29, 2008, a Synod meeting of the Genuine Orthodox Church of America was held, taking note of the unfortunate actions of Archbishop Ambrose, in which the Synod declared that he is no longer part of the GOC of America, having broken canons that forbid him from separating from his lawful Synod.
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Colorado Law:
Felony Criminal Impersonation
Criminal Impersonation (18-5-113)
A person commits criminal impersonation if he knowingly assumes a false or fictitious identity or capacity, and in such identity or capacity he:
(a) Marries, or pretends to marry, or to sustain the marriage relation toward another without the connivance of the latter; or
(b) Becomes bail or surety for a party in an action or proceeding, civil or criminal, before a court or officer authorized to take the bail or surety; or
(c) Confesses a judgment, or subscribes, verifies, publishes, acknowledges, or proves a written instrument which by law may be recorded, with the intent that the same may be delivered as true; or
(d) Does an act which if done by the person falsely impersonated, might subject such person to an action or special proceeding, civil or criminal, or to liability, charge, forfeiture, or penalty; or
(e) Does any other act with intent to unlawfully gain a benefit for himself or another or to injure or defraud another.
Criminal impersonation is a class 6 felony.
Class 6 Felonies
Class 6 felonies are the least serious felonies in Colorado, punishable by one year to 18 months in prison and a fine of $1,000 to $100,000. (Colo. Rev. Stat. § 18-1.3-401.) Possession of up to two grams of methamphetamine is a class 6 felony.
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You should be able to get him on felony number E. He has lied outright about his consecration.
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Ladislaus, the existence of photographs of Ambrose in clerical garb does not prove that he was/is a Ukrainian Rite priest. It only proves that he was photographed wearing clerical garb and that the newspaper reporter believed that he was a priest. In order to prove that Ambrose is a priest a diocese somewhere has to confirm that he is in fact a priest. So far we don't have that. But we do know for certain that he is not a bishop. We do know that he is a liar. So unless we can get confirmation from a diocese somewhere the prudent thing to do is to assume that he is not a priest either.
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Also, we have testimony from witnesses in Boston, KY that he made mistakes in the Mass down there. That's a classic sign of an impersonator.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/11/17/nyregion/man-is-charged-with-impersonating-priest.html
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Kentucky Law
cf. https://docjt.ky.gov/legal/docuмents/KCLM2011120319.pdf
KRS 516.040 Forgery in the third degree
(1) A person is guilty of forgery in the third degree when, with intent to defraud, deceive or injure
another, he falsely makes, completes or alters a written instrument.
(2) Forgery in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor.
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KRS 516.010 Definitions
The following definitions apply in this chapter unless the context otherwise requires:
(1) "Coin machine” means a coin box, turnstile, vending machine, or other mechanical or electronic device or receptacle designed:
(a) To receive a coin or bill or token made for the purpose; and
(b) In return for the insertion or deposit thereof, automatically to offer, provide, assist in
providing, or permit the acquisition of property or service;
(2) "Complete written instrument" means a written instrument which purports to be a genuine
written instrument fully drawn with respect to every essential feature thereof;
(3) “Controlled substance” has the same meaning as it does in KRS 218A.010;
(4) "Incomplete written instrument" means a written instrument which contains some matter by
way of content or authentication but which requires additional matter in order to render it a
complete written instrument;
(5) To "falsely alter" a written instrument means to change, without the authority of anyone entitled
to grant it, a written instrument, whether it be in complete or incomplete form, by means of
erasure, obliteration, deletion, insertion of new matter, transposition of matter, or in any other
manner, so that such instrument in its thus altered form appears or purports to be in all respects
an authentic creation of or fully authorized by its ostensible maker or drawer;
(6) To "falsely complete" a written instrument means to transform, by adding, inserting or changing matter, an incomplete written instrument into a complete one, without the authority of anyone entitled to grant it, so that the complete instrument appears or purports to be in all respects an authentic creation of or fully authorized by its ostensible maker or drawer;
(7) To "falsely make" a written instrument means to make or draw a complete written instrument in
its entirety or an incomplete written instrument, which purports to be an authentic creation of its
ostensible maker or drawer, but which is not either because the ostensible maker or drawer is
fictitious or because, if real, he did not authorize the making or drawing thereof;
(8) "Forged instrument" means a written instrument which has been falsely made, completed or
altered;
(9) "Slug" means an object or article which by virtue of its size, shape or any other quality is capable of being inserted, deposited or otherwise used in a coin machine as an improper substitute for a genuine coin, bill, or token;
(10) "Value of the slug" means the value of the coin, bill, or token for which it is capable of being
substituted; and
(11) “Written instrument” means any instrument or article containing written or printed matter or its
equivalent used for the purpose of reciting, embodying, conveying, or recording information, or
constituting symbol or evidence of value, right, privilege, or identification, which is capable of
being used to the advantage or disadvantage of some person.
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KRS 532.090 Sentence of imprisonment for misdemeanor
A sentence of imprisonment for a misdemeanor shall be a definite term and shall be fixed within the following maximum limitations:
(1) For a Class A misdemeanor, the term shall not exceed twelve (12) months;
KRS 534.040 Fines for misdemeanors and violations
* * * * *
(2) Except as otherwise provided for an offense defined outside this code, a person who has been convicted of any offense other than a felony shall be sentenced, in addition to any other punishment imposed upon him, to pay a fine in an amount not to exceed:
(a) For a Class A misdemeanor, five hundred dollars ($500);
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If Ambrose received any payments from Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko he may also fall under the laws against fraud in Kentucky.
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One thing (among several) that looks strange about the Cardinal Slipyj photo is that Ambrose looks shorter than in the 1975 photo taken outside of the same Cathedral. Somebody might have pointed it out already, but the top of his head, in 1975, looks much higher compared with the lines of the door, etc.
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One thing (among several) that looks strange about the Cardinal Slipyj photo is that Ambrose looks shorter than in the 1975 photo taken outside of the same Cathedral. Somebody might have pointed it out already, but the top of his head, in 1975, looks much higher compared with the lines of the door, etc.
Perhaps the burden of the episcopacy weighed mightily upon him.
Or else, another indication that Ambrose is not the same person as Father William Moran.
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It's very obvious that Moran either lied to Gregory in claiming that he had been ordained and consecrated by an Orthodox bishop or else he's lying now that he was ordained and consecrated by Cardinal Slipyj. Both cannot be true. And both statements (the one to Gregory and the recent ones) use the same dates, 1974 (ordination to priesthood), 1976 (consecration).
Or he's lying about both.
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And Fr Pfeiffer, Fr Hewko, and El Jefe couldn't dig up this information? When do you think their investigation will be wrapped up?
Good timing on the "new" Mexi-scandals. Anything to draw attention away from the true scandal--the phony "Ambrose".
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Here is a public records record of the people on the postcard on the Ambrose photo site:
United States Public Records
Name Charles J Moran
Residence Date 01 Apr 1974-01 Jan 2004
Residence Place Hicksville, New York, United States
Birth Date 28 Aug 1907
Phone Number (516) 681-5012
Phone Number Recorded Date 01 Jan 2004
Address 75 Thorman Ave
Address Continued Hicksville, New York 11801
Address Date 01 Apr 1974-01 Jan 2004
Possible Relatives Ambrose E Moran, Ambrose W Moran, Leora H Moran, William Edward Moran
Record Number 86001322
Name L Moran
Also Known As Leora H Moran
Residence Date 13 Jul 2001
Residence Place West Islip, New York, United States
Birth Date 14 Feb 1917
Phone Number 681-5012
Phone Number Recorded Date 25 Mar 2008
Address 282 Higbie Ln # 269
Address Continued West Islip, New York 11795
Address Date 13 Jul 2001
2nd Address 2 The Moor
2nd Address Continued East Islip, New York 11730
2nd Address Date 01 Nov 1997-25 Mar 2008
3rd Address 370 PO Box
3rd Address Continued Jericho, New York 11753
3rd Address Date 01 Oct 1985-13 Nov 2000
Possible Relatives Ambrose E Moran, Ambrose W
Moran, Charles J Moran, William Edward Moran
Record Number 84223642
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There's also this from a public records record:
William Edward Moran
United States Public Records
Name William Edward Moran
Residence Date 01 Jun 2007
Residence Place Bay Shore, New York, United States
Birth Date 03 Jan 1949
Phone Number Recorded Date 19 Jun 2008
Address 1005 Spur Dr N
Address Continued Bay Shore, New York 11706
Address Date 01 Jun 2007
2nd Address 282 Higbie Ln # 256
2nd Address Continued West Islip, New York 11795
2nd Address Date 01 Jul 2000
3rd Address 1266 Country N
3rd Address Continued Hicksville, New York 11803
3rd Address Date 01 Dec 1981
Possible Relatives Ambrose E Moran, Ambrose W Moran, Charles J Moran, Leora H Moran
Record Number 353922646
Ambrose W Moran
United States Public Records
Name Ambrose W Moran Residence Date 01 Oct 1985-01 Jan 1998 Residence Place Hicksville, New York, United States Birth Date Jan 1949 Phone Number Recorded Date 01 Jan 1998 Address 75 Thorman Ave Address Continued Hicksville, New York 11801 Address Date 01 Oct 1985-01 Jan 1998 Possible Relatives Charles J Moran, Leora H Moran, William Edward Moran Record Number 84223647
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BTW, I made Orthodox Ambrozjie my avatar so people will never forget who he really is. Because the big con whitewash is a-comin.......
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Name William Edward Moran
Residence Date 01 Jun 2007
Residence Place Bay Shore, New York, United States
Birth Date 03 Jan 1949
Phone Number Recorded Date 19 Jun 2008
Address 1005 Spur Dr N
Address Continued Bay Shore, New York 11706
This is interesting because if you look at some of the pictures on the Ambrose wordpress site it shows him officiating at a wedding in a Roman Catholic church in Bay Shore, NY.
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St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY.
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St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY.
I feel posed to question whether the "Ambrose" in this picture is the same "Ambrose" who offered Mass on the altar at the Pfeiffer farm.
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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/7O1Z42HZjMg[/youtube]
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Well, I was skeptical at first with his "cathinfo doesn't like Ambrose" dismissive comment, but I must say that this wins my video of the week award.
I like this line regarding Ambrose:
"It is to the credit of the Resistance that we do not take this Mickey Mouse seriously." -Fr. Chazal
FWIW, Father Chazal, you were much harder on ol' Ambrose "moron" than we've been. Relatively, it could be said that CathInfo members are some of his biggest fans.
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I started back at the beginning and what Fr. Chazal said was "I reckon the people on CathInfo don't like him very much" which could have referred to either Ambrose or Fr. Pfeiffer.
I don't know which he was referring to, but it's the friends of Fr. Pfeiffer who take the time to prove that Ambrose is or is not a fraud before Ambrose gets too involved in the operations of the US Resistance. Any persons who ignore such a potentially serious situation would not be your true friends.
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If you're short on time, the first 19 minutes is a review of Ambrose's videos. There's nothing very surprising there for anyone who has been following the discussions here. Beginning at 19 minutes, he discusses Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon about Ambrose.
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Fr. Chazal is one funny guy. I wonder if he works at it or if it's as natural as it looks. This guy had me rolling!
-CathInfo shoutout
-Fr. Hewko impression
-Pablo is Fr. Pfeiffer's "Mephistopheles"
-Bishop "Moron" is a "Mickey Mouse"
-"No talent for lying"
Amen to that!
+Chazal is the Minister of Public Relations for the Resistance!
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I've never met Fr. Chazal but he seems like a good priest. I like what I've seen in this video so far. The Fr. Hewko impersonation was funny.
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I knew Father Chazal at the seminary; he does have a good sense of humor but remains well balanced. We used to tease him about being a "Frog", and he took it very well ... taking retaliatory jabs against the U.S.
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One interesting thing is that Father Chazal won't use anything from CathInfo because Father Pfeiffer is "wary" of anything he might find there. In other words, Father Pfeiffer has come to tune out CathInfo entirely. He won't look honestly and objectively at anything here.
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Has anyone considered that this Mickey Mouse might be a valid bishop? If we take a look it is possible. One possibility is that he lied because he doesn't want Traditional Catholics questioning why he joined with the Orthodox. But someone posted a link that I looked at that claimed that he was re-consecrated by Gregory because Gregory doubted his episcopal validity. If this is true and Moran was a valid Catholic priest as indicated by the photos, he would be a valid bishop if Gregory did consecrate him and if Gregory has valid orders. Gregory was consecrated in the " Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church (ROAC)". At first glance, this would indicate valid but illicit orders on all parties despite that these are schismatic sects sometimes broken away from other schisms.
So if all of this is this case, he would be a valid but dishonest and schismatic bishop.
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Fr. John Ropke is dead.
cf. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/postgazette/obituary.aspx?n=john-a-ropke&pid=128177907
Canon John A. Ropke
Obituary Condolences
ROPKE THE REV. CANON, DR. JOHN A.
Died Sunday morning, June 7, 2009, at UPMC - Mercy Hospital. He was born on January 10, 1945, in Brooklyn, NY, the son of the late John C. and Elaine (Urchak) Ropke. He attended St. Basil's Seminary in Stamford, CT, the State University of New York and the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome, and then earned MA and PhD at Liberty University. He was ordained to the priesthood on June 29, 1978 in Stamford, CT, and served congregations in the Greater Pgh area: Arnold, Ford City and McKees Rocks. At the time of his death, he was serving at St. John the Baptist Ukrainian Catholic Church, S. 7th St. and Carson St., where visitation will be held on Tuesday, June 9, from 1pm until 4pm and from 7pm-9pm. Parastas for a deceased priest will be chanted at 8:15pm Tuesday evening. The wake will resume at 8am Wednesday morning, and conclude with the Divine Liturgy at 11am. Canon Ropke will be interred with private rites in his family plot in Calvary Cemetery, Woodside, NY. He is survived by a brother, Richard Ropke, of Florida and relatives in Cleveland and Ukraine. Arrangements are being handled by the THOMAS P. KUNSAK FUNERAL HOME, INC., 3552 California Ave. at Davis Ave., Pgh, PA 15212.
Send condolences at post-gazette.com/gb
Published in Pittsburgh Post-Gazette from June 8 to June 9, 2009
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Father Pfeiffer: "God will provide a bishop for us."
Answer: "He already did. You rejected him."
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Has anyone considered that this Mickey Mouse might be a valid bishop? If we take a look it is possible. One possibility is that he lied because he doesn't want Traditional Catholics questioning why he joined with the Orthodox. But someone posted a link that I looked at that claimed that he was re-consecrated by Gregory because Gregory doubted his episcopal validity. If this is true and Moran was a valid Catholic priest as indicated by the photos, he would be a valid bishop if Gregory did consecrate him and if Gregory has valid orders. Gregory was consecrated in the " Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church (ROAC)". At first glance, this would indicate valid but illicit orders on all parties despite that these are schismatic sects sometimes broken away from other schisms.
So if all of this is this case, he would be a valid but dishonest and schismatic bishop.
He's not a valid bishop if he was never ordained to the priesthood. So far we do not have any confirmation that he is a valid priest. All we have are some photos of him in clerical garb. We have a docuмent that looks authentic that shows that he applied and was accepted to be a priest working in the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto for a period of 2 years between Feb 14, 1975 and Feb 14, 1977. But the docuмent says that after 2 years his application to be incardinated into the Eparchy would be reviewed. We don't have any docuмent that shows that he was ever incardinated into the Eparchy. My guess is that they discovered he was a fake. Just like Fr. Sanborn and the SSPX discovered he was a fake.
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Sorry, it was Fr. Kelly who did the investigation of Moran.
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There's also this from a public records record:
William Edward Moran
United States Public Records
Name William Edward Moran
Residence Date 01 Jun 2007
Residence Place Bay Shore, New York, United States
Birth Date 03 Jan 1949
Phone Number Recorded Date 19 Jun 2008
Address 1005 Spur Dr N
Address Continued Bay Shore, New York 11706
Address Date 01 Jun 2007
2nd Address 282 Higbie Ln # 256
2nd Address Continued West Islip, New York 11795
2nd Address Date 01 Jul 2000
3rd Address 1266 Country N
3rd Address Continued Hicksville, New York 11803
3rd Address Date 01 Dec 1981
Possible Relatives Ambrose E Moran, Ambrose W Moran, Charles J Moran, Leora H Moran
Record Number 353922646
Ambrose W Moran
United States Public Records
Name Ambrose W Moran Residence Date 01 Oct 1985-01 Jan 1998 Residence Place Hicksville, New York, United States Birth Date Jan 1949 Phone Number Recorded Date 01 Jan 1998 Address 75 Thorman Ave Address Continued Hicksville, New York 11801 Address Date 01 Oct 1985-01 Jan 1998 Possible Relatives Charles J Moran, Leora H Moran, William Edward Moran Record Number 84223647
Hey PG,
I think this might prove that your theory might not be correct. It looks to me like William Edward Moran and Ambrose W. [or E] Moran are the same guy. They are both listed as being born Jan 1949. So my theory is that they are the same guy. He probably fooled Fr. Kelly into thinking that there actually was someone that "ordained" him. But the reality is that William and Ambrose are the same guy and the janitor and William are the same guy too. This guy has been cooking up tales from day 1. Nothing at all can be believed. If he fools anyone on anything he saves that as evidence of the legitimacy of his claims. But he has nothing. He is a total fake. I sent email to the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto to see if they know anything about this guy. I also sent email to St. Basil's Seminary in Stamford CT. I hope they will respond.
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I noticed earlier that Ambrose looks shorter with Cardinal Slipyj than his 1975 photo by the same pillar. The screen shot from the video of the Cardinal Slipyj pic is much better than what's on the website. On the video you can see that he is the same height as the 1975 photo. The Slipyj photo is taken by someone on their knee or down the steps. Also if there's an explanation for Ambrose being in the shadows it would be because the pillar has a ledge above his head which is indeed there. Just looking for natural explanations. Anyway it will be interesting to see if Fr. Pfeiffer ever gets any actual verifiable records.
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Just my observation, from 64 years of observing how the Church works, as a lay person who is a registered member of a diocesan parish and routinely attends a 1969 Missal Mass as a 1962 Missal Mass or Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy is not available where I live (I was raised with a VERY STRICT interpretation of the First Precept of the Church, not making a point, not poising an argument, just explaining the perspective my comments come from), and for several years being a neighbor to a small Greek Orthodox Mission Parish (never tempted to convert, being a friendly neighbor I visited with them to learn, and I had always been curious about the Eastern church, I did gain some perspective about how they do things) ....
IF this Ambrose IS an ordained priest (requiring a previous ordination as a deacon in my understanding, even if that occurred immediately prior) and a consecrated bishop ... whether or not these various orders were given by "new Catholics", old Catholics", "traditionalist Catholics", "resistance Catholics", "novus ordo" Catholics, sedevacanist" Catholics, OR by one of the twenty three Eastern Catholic Churches in Communion with the Holy See, OR by an Orthodox prelate from a recognized jurisdiction (whose orders have always been considered valid by the Holy See), or some new "renegade autocephalous" jurisdiction (the validity of whose orders has likely not been determined by the Holy See but for sake of argument let us presume so for the moment) ... then TWO ITEMS ought to be available for examination:
ONE, historically the Church does not do ANYTHING without "paperwork". Even from my very modest reading in church history, even in situations of persecution or the Church being "underground" paperwork docuмentation was done and when able, smuggled out to a safe source. There ought to be physical DOcuмENTATION of each act of receiving Holy Orders on "official paper" from whichever "jurisdiction" the orders are being claimed.
TWO, there should be (I really can't imagine there wouldn't be, given the "time line") still living witnesses to the imposition of these orders whose IDENTITY and CURRENT TESTIMONY can be presented for examination TODAY.
Without both, or at the very least one, though I can't imagine there not being some kind of "paperwork" "if" this is legit, ANY Catholic ought to be "very afraid" in this situation.
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I remember a strange claim but I am not sure if I am remembering it or if I am mistaken. I remember Ambrose claiming that he was in contact with Archbishop Lefebvre and he told Archbishop Lefebvre that he was willing to be a co-consecrator when the Archbishop consecrated the four Bishops. But he said that Archbishop Lefebvre declined his help because he had Bishop de Castro Mayer. Am I remembering it correctly. Did Ambrose make that claim or am I misremembering?
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matto - you heard correctly. I believe ambrose said he offered/communicated this to+lefebvre through +lefebvres attorney al skidmore(I think that was the name). Is that guy still alive(+lefebvres attorney)? Or, better question, was that guy even +lefebvres lawyer? Perhaps that is a big lie vs small lie situation, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Hi folks
I'm from Brazil so excuse my bad english. I'll be direct and short -- to avoid confusion
THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk2NnV-Qtuw
= KGB
Let me repeat: KGB.
There's no such thing as "ex-KGB". Is my opinion biased because the KGB has had several agents in my country in the 60's and blamed the CIA for all things THEY were doing? No.
I'm in fact very angry against KGB but pay attention to this:
Ambrose likes to focus on "anti communism" -- this way the viewer can attach to him, sympathize him. Did Ambrose mention a person or "the communists?" why? Don't they have faces?
We'll never find those who ordered him to infiltrate using Fr. Pfeiffer misused intelligence. But who ordered him knew Pr Pfeiffer wouldn't investigate him.
That said Fr Pfeiffer is responsible for this mess and we have to know who helped Ambrose do deceived him.
"Ok, Ambrose is not KGB, he's just a liar." Sorry but thousands of books have been write in my country saying that CIA was in my country in 1964 while they don't mention not a single CIA or FBI agent. Guess why? because the KGB was here all the time, not CIA not even FBI!!.
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IF Fr. Pfeiffer is a good man he'll spent the next 15 years studying how now to be deceived -- read all KGB books, all PRO-KGB books released in the USSR, read the Moscow Archives regarding soviet disinformation
If you don't want to study all these crazy stuff, never, never, never allow a strange man to give Mass in your Chapel.
p.s: There's people working with Ambrose AND there's people testing us.
This was most likely a controlled real-life simulation. BEst case cenario it was just Ambrose and a Photoshop expert that for some reason wanted to play fool. Worst case I'm right and this was a test.
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Posts (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=38165&min=230&#p3)
Father does need to trim the beard a little though; it's getting a bit out of control. Or is he also lobbying for episcopal consecration (LOL)?
Just another good-hearted jab from an old friend, Father.
It seems to me that "Ambrose" tried to mimic that beard in his episcopal Photohack. So he must be impressed with the look!
I doubt Fr. Chazal would be flattered.
On a more 'serious' note, having a gift of bringing a touch of levity to an embarrassing situation is one attribute favorable for fullness of Orders.
One interesting thing is that Father Chazal won't use anything from CathInfo because Father Pfeiffer is "wary" of anything he might find there. In other words, Father Pfeiffer has come to tune out CathInfo entirely. He won't look honestly and objectively at anything here.
While he did say he's not taking anything from CathInfo, it's pretty evident that he did at least a quick skim of several threads before he made his conclusions on the interview script and the photohacks attached.
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Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=38165&min=225&#p3)
I started back at the beginning and what Fr. Chazal said was "I reckon the people on CathInfo don't like him very much" which could have referred to either Ambrose or Fr. Pfeiffer.
I don't know which he was referring to, but it's the friends of Fr. Pfeiffer who take the time to prove that Ambrose is or is not a fraud before Ambrose gets too involved in the operations of the US Resistance. Any persons who ignore such a potentially serious situation would not be your true friends.
Well said!!
It seems to me that Fr. Pfeiffer is groping at straws, and God has allowed this embarrassment to play out in order to teach Fr. some humility. He has a lot of energy and is a real DOER. His list of accomplishments is staggering. His sermons continue to move listeners to repentance and grace, and as Fr. Chazal observes, he has a talent for attracting vocations to the priesthood.
These are very powerful graces, and Fr. Pfeiffer could be a great force for good continuing into the future. But his pride seems to have not only alienated him from +W and +Faure, but also seems to have spilled over to the point of him expecting these bishops to participate in his pompous presumption of "infallibility," which they want no part of. People make mistakes, and it takes a bit of humility to recognize when you've made one.
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I'll have to admit the way I wrote the previous post seems that I'm 100% sure that the false bishop is hiding something else (working with more people)
I don't believe 100% on that, still I don't regret what I've said because I'm aware that 1 Priest and 1 famous "Trad" are giving people false information. And I know many, many in the Novus Ordu (that I refuse to call priest) that work for free to deceive Catholics because their ideology. In fact they use Catholics to achieve political objectives. (these satanic priests believe "religion" is a opium but they have to work inside the Church to destroy it slowly -- so they pretend to believe in God).
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Somewhere it was stated that contact with Ambrose began six months ago. So it looks like they spent the last six months brewing this up.
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matto - you heard correctly. I believe ambrose said he offered/communicated this to+lefebvre through +lefebvres attorney al skidmore(I think that was the name). Is that guy still alive(+lefebvres attorney)? Or, better question, was that guy even +lefebvres lawyer? Perhaps that is a big lie vs small lie situation, I wouldn't be surprised.
Mr. Skidmore was a lawyer in the state of New York. I can't say he was the Archbishop's personal lawyer but he did help the SSPX (USA) in that respect. He has passed away.
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Has anyone studied psychology? How about this for a new path to proving him a fake? I suppose this isn't the kind of proof we're looking for, but it certainly lends credibility. Ambrose Moran is a human being, and is going to display basic human, psychological behaviors.
'how to spot a liar' TED talk
https://www.ted.com/talks/pamela_meyer_how_to_spot_a_liar/transcript?language=en
Suggestion:
Take a second look at the 'Sermon Bishop Ambrose September' video
with the SOUND MUTED, skipping the blurry photos, observing Ambrose.
Then go back and listen carefully when you spot behavior cues...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk2NnV-Qtuw
I tried it for a few minutes, and this is what I saw:
fidgeting with his hands constantly.
looking left and down constantly.
too much detail, using formal words, rehearsed.
shaking his head 'no' many times when talking
about his past. (Just count them.)
micro-expressions of disgust.
opening hands but shaking head 'no'
a smile at 'ambiguities of Vatican II'
backing away from the camera.
monotone, bored.
shaking his head 'no' (23 min.) at 'I'm just a humble bishop'
and 'no' at "consecrated by a great man, Cardinal Slipyi(sp)'
Maybe if two or three people tried this, they might guess who he
is really working for by where he shows positive cues.
Anyway, throw the lying bum out, and stay away from ALL of them!
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To me Ambrose has the intention to deceive. Why he wants to deceive people who are working for the True Catholic Church I don't know. Maybe he loves Pope Francis and wants to play with honest people or maybe he's just a lunatic.
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net>
Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Moran inquiry
To: [Obscurus]
Without giving any private information out I can tell you that this Moran is not recorded in our register as having done any weddings.
I also spoke with the other priest in the photo (who is recorded in the records) and he has no recollection of him
Sorry for the dead end
On Oct 13, 2015, at 1:05 PM, [Obscurus] wrote:
> Hello again, Father:
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> Let me try to give bullet points on what he has claimed:
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> Ordained in 1974 for the Ukrainian Eparchy in Canada
> Made an archimandrite in 1975
> Consecrated in 1976 by none other than Cardinal Slipyj in secret to go to Russia; Ambrose Moran has also claimed he was made successor to Slipyj (that is a serious claim) so he that would make him a Metropolitan Archbishop according to Ambrose' logic
> Somehow was given a "mission" to help Latin-rite Catholics
> Trained by Russian Jesuits to be a "spy"
> Knew Richard Nixon and other high officials
> Some connection with the Pentagon
>
> Those are simply a few of his claims. Suddenly he pops up out of nowhere. Yet doing some online research, somehow he has been connected with various Orthodox churches in the United States. Given everything, it is very odd. If you want you could listen to a video from Ambrose himself which goes into some of these things.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYN_E3guNnA
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> There is something seriously wrong here.
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> [Obscurus]
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> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net> wrote:
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> I have . All it is is photos? What claims is it making? What case is it trying to prove?
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> Do you think he is not really a Ukrainian bishop? Or is he a "clergy for hire"?
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> On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:05 PM, [Obscurus] wrote:
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>> I am assuming you have looked at this website: https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
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>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:05 PM, [Obscurus] <[Obscurus]> wrote:
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>> Hello Father,
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>> I am sorry if this email came out of the blue. It is part of research I am trying to do. I have sent emails to other groups trying to get information about him.
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>> I have no relation to the Moran or anyone in the photos. I am simply concerned as a Catholic (I am married and have three children in Ontario) that this man might be causing harm if he has been making what I think are amazing and hardly credible claims. He has mentioned that he is the successor to Cardinal Slipyj (or something similar to that).
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>> Really my only interest is getting to the truth of the matter.
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>> Thank you Father for any help in this matter. Obviously, you have the right not to share any info but I think if someone makes the claims that Moran has made then it should be easily verifiable.
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>> In Christ,
>> [Obscurus]
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>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net> wrote:
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>> Mr [Obscurus]
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>> Could you please advise me as to who you are in relation to the wedding photoed and why you are interested in this Moran?
>>
>> Fr Tom Coogan
>> St Patrick
>> Bay Shore
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>>
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How does one explain any of this?
He shows up officiating at a wedding in a Roman Catholic church in 1986 and there are no records of him in the registry. How does that happen? Seriously, this is perplexing.
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The email I sent refers to pictures of Ambrose officiating at a wedding in St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY in case people were wondering.
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The email I sent refers to pictures of Ambrose officiating at a wedding in St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY in case people were wondering.
Really. That is strange for me because I was baptized by a priest from that same Church. I wasn't baptized in St. Patrick's church though. I was baptized in Our Lady Star of the Sea Church which is a small chapel on Fire Island served by the priests from St. Patrick's.
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I got another email and the priest stated that Ambrose actually didn't officiate but was only present.
So he got all dressed up, even though he was just attending the wedding, and used it to suggest years later than he was the officiant at the wedding?
I have no idea. He certainly gives the impression on the website although not explicitly saying so.
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Between the confirmation that he wasn't at the Bay Shore wedding "officially" and the Prince Alexis appearances, we've eliminated almost all of his Timeline VII photos. I suspect the last one has something to do with Prince Alexis' funeral as he died in 1995. That pushes his record of "official" appearances back to the mid-80s.
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How does one explain any of this?
He shows up officiating at a wedding in a Roman Catholic church in 1986 and there are no records of him in the registry. How does that happen? Seriously, this is perplexing.
Look closely at the picture again. He is standing off to the side while a priest can be seen officiating the ceremony. I admit, Ambrose is not very far off to the side but it is clear that he is not officiating. So that explains why he isn't in the register. It also explains how he got away with not being required to prove his legitimacy.
I think it is safe to say that Ambrose is not even a priest. He is 100% insane-former-janitor-con-man.
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That church is a NO church. Obviously. So why is a Ukrainian Catholic poo-bah involved in the wedding at all? It's a NO church and the couple are being married by a NO priest. The con man must have convinced everyone that he would give the couple some kind of Ukrainian blessing or something. It is non-essential. Someone who knows about Ukrainian Catholic customs might know better if this is consistent with UC Church customs or if it is something that the con-man cooked up on his own.
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if the wife or husband were of different rites usually the clergy of the other rite will be present. what is weird however is if Moran is Ukrainian and was to "give a blessing" he would have crowned the couple (which is a central part of an eastern wedding).
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-iFj_sSblXFpgABUd7v0efm7iSZK2o9qBU9gkW6VkhTsfiDmx)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7IWCfMc8hyTsAwSSsCtQf2m5WHK7sX2rkNsfiFtU6iW2qhfm2CA)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqt2D9vDI-EvIJZs31qSNFz7wWY6qdlGfR8PYCSGmMeCVn2OQ0RQ)
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After the Amen, the Priest, taking up the Crowns, crowns first the Bridegroom, saying:
The servant of God (Name) is crowned for the servant of God, (Name), in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (Thrice)
And he crowns the Bride, saying:
The servant of God (Name) is crowned for the servant of God (Name), in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (Thrice)
The Priest takes the Crown of the Groom in his right hand, and the Crown of the Bride in his left, and places them on their heads while he intones:
O Lord, our God, crown them with glory and honor.
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this is more proof of what a fraud he is.
From a Melkite website
The priest crowns the couple as a sign of their union. St. John Chrysostom says that the crowns symbolize the victory of Christ over sin, death and evil. The couple, as baptized Christians, lawfully joined in a sacramental marriage share in this victory. They have overcome the lusts of the world, which seek to separate the soul from the body and love from sex, and are united together in the love of God and each other. They are now joined as God intended man and woman to be joined together; giving themselves totally and freely to the other. The crowns also symbolize the crown of martyrdom or witnessing to Christ for the couple incarnates the love of Christ for the Church. They also represent the royal authority of the children of God. After the crowning the clergy and assembly sing together the coronation hymn (Psalm 8:6 & 7): Crown them O Lord our God with glory and honor and grant them dominion over the works of your hands. This is a prayer and wish for the newly weds from all present.
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he "preformed" this wedding and again no crowning
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/wedding-1.png?w=369&h=259)
vs. this:
(http://www.annaandspencer.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Coptic-Wedding-Ceremony-at-the-Greek-Orthodox-Cathedral-in-Atlanta.jpg)
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This guy might only have a minister's license he bought from the back of Rolling Stone magazine.
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Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=38165&min=255&#p4)
I got another email and the priest stated that Ambrose actually didn't officiate but was only present.
So he got all dressed up, even though he was just attending the wedding, and used it to suggest years later [that] he was the officiant at the wedding?
It would be great to get a definitive answer to this question, some day.
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We should look what canon laws says about obtaining sth. by fraud! Because it seems that Moran-Ambrose did not obey the Cardinal...! Moral Ambrose just wanted the consecration!! Why? Maybe he's a Freemason Bishop! Pablo had already warned us with a video against Bishop Williamson, that he would get a Freemason Bishop. This Freemason Bishop gets converted to the resistance faith, by Pablos Gudalupana. Pablo said this in one of his video! :barf:
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for Neil Obstat
I can't find any copy of the controversial photo showing "Ambrose" all "dressed up" at someone's wedding but apparently not present to officiate but only get into the photo so he could use it many years later for something.
here are the pics
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/wedding-2.png?w=377&h=273)
(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/wedding-2.png)
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(https://ambrosemoran.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/wedding-4.png)
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@ Catholic Samurai
He had to delete the video because Father Pfeiffer did not agree and it destroyed the relationship with the bishop. The video was only few days online. One image in the video is Pablo on the beach, he shows us the back. Then slowly comes a red text that looks like blood, with that message. I have to say, who knows mafia movies, knows that this kind of message is a threat. Since then he has no longer visited Kentucky. Since pablo the Amateur Exorcist knows the Omerta, he may be familiar with other Mafia messages. God bless
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I wrote: "Since then he has no longer visited Kentucky!" I mean Bishop Williamson has not visited Kentucky since this video!
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That's why Pablo said in his charity video, that he has, so to speak, managed to move the bishop to consecrate a new bishop. He thinks this comes along with the Video he made. The bishop understood the message and Our Lady of Guadelupe would have brought him to obey.
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Here they are as a saved file so when the source deletes them they'll still be on CathInfo
(I only loaded the second version of the first photo because the other one is too blurry):
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Another strange Video message from Pablo in red
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdtNqX2MhsU
Minute 2.45 Text
He shall lift, an enemy of His: a Freemason,
St. Augustin: a Sinner became a Bishop! And a FREEMASON will become a Bishop...
Try to watch and understand this video!
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Our Lord will raise up a Bishop for the Resistance!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdtNqX2MhsU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdtNqX2MhsU)
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Another strange Video message from Pablo in red
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdtNqX2MhsU
Minute 2.45 Text
He shall lift, an enemy of His: a Freemason,
St. Augustin: a Sinner became a Bishop! And a FREEMASON will become a Bishop...
Try to watch and understand this video!
Who do you suppose this refers to? Who is this Freemason that will supposedly convert? And how is PABLO able to prophesy? God is almighty and orders all things; it's easy for Him. But Pablo? He'd pretty much have to have a PLAN to fulfill this prophecy.
Is he referring to Ambrose, or someone whose first name starts with a P...?
St. Augustine was a layman when he converted from his great life of sin. At the spontaneous request of the people, he was ordained priest and then bishop -- "the greatest bishop that ever walked the earth" according to Fr. Pfeiffer.
Is this why Fr. Pfeiffer keeps Pablo around?
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Is it something which I lack in perception or is this another bizarre video?
It has for me, a malevolent quality and feel about it like the last one.
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His Excellency Pablo?? :roll-laugh1:
After this Ambrose debacle, nothing would surprise me.
I can see his Episcopal motto now: "Perfecto odio oderam illos" (referring to Trads)
"I have hated them with a perfect hatred: and they are become enemies to me." (Psalms 138:22)
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Dear Matthew!
It's about evil powers and a legion. Therefore, it is better to remain silent, to pray and to keep distance to this headquarter and to the priests. It's sad I know but it's the truth. Let us pray for the souls of both priests and all who visited the Kentucky "Resistance". Lat us pray for the dear faithful and seminarians that have slept, eaten and drunk there, or have taken back home some objects and may these be pious things. Surely, God is stronger but like every good and true exorcist tells us: STAY AWAY FROM ANY RISK! It is better to stay home and pray until the disaster is over. We all know that the real problem is not a bishop Ambrose. We know for example that the problem with the SSPX is the head: Bishop Fellay. If the head is healthy, the whole body is healthy. A congregation must be sane from the head. When the superiors are sane, humble and in the grace of God, everything turns to good. When you are weak, but you pray and submit in obedience your self under an authority like Bishop Williamson or Bishop Faure, then Our Lord will fix you up. Until then, we can only pray and stay away. A sane individual must rise up against the enemies of the Church and the true Resistance, against the enemies of the priesthood, against the enemies of the work from Archbishop Lefebvre and all the evil persons that scare the visitors, that is not a good Catholic, and does not act as a catholic. If it is a work of God, it will survive also without making compromise with Satan and his followers. So from what are they afraid? Where is the faith of these priests and where do they trust in God?
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Cardinal Slipyj with Pope Montini. To unite the Ukrainian Orthodox Church with the Apostate Church of Rome. I repeat: the problem is not Bishop Ambrose!
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Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Slipyj.
https://www.tcdsb.org/schools/josyfcardinalslipyj/news/2014-2015/jcsday/JCardSlipyj%202015%20(12).JPG
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Does anyone know Fr. Hewko's hometown? I remember that he's Ukrainian and I believe from New York and about 45-50 years old. I'm not sure of his age but I'd like someone to ask him if he has any personal memory of Ambrose Moran. I'd also like to know if Ambrose Moran actually met Archbishop Lefebvre and if there is a photo. Did he know Fr. Malachi Martin who also lived in New York and supported the "underground Church"? Can he release his mother's maiden name and his Serbian or Ukrainian lineage. I believe these are his paternal grandparents:
Name William F. Moran
Spouse's Name Alvina Panela
Event Date 15 Oct 1901
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name Henry Moran
Mother's Name Bridget Mcbride
Spouse's Father's Name John Panela
Spouse's Mother's Name Adele ...
So if this info is correct his father was 50% Irish and is the Panela Italian, Greek, or Portuguese? His baptismal certificate should certainly be available from the Church and it would confirm whether he was "born" Catholic or Orthodox. I'm presuming his Eastern Rite is courtesy of his mother.
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I'm getting the impression from all these investigations that Ambrose can be whatever religion you need him to be. Rent a priest. Rent a bishop. He seems really light on doctrine.
But I don't believe he's a bishop of any church.
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ecclesiae - That video you posted on the te deum by pablo was interesting. After pablo says God will raise up a bishop converted from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ he says, "and there will be four new sign posts on the road into hell". What do you think that means?
Do you think it could mean this? "There will be four new signposts on the road into hell, and they will read: one, holy, catholic, and apostolic."
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I received a reply from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. It was an email. I am pasting it here:
Dear [Clemens Maria],
Your are the third person this week who is inquiring about William Basil Ambrose Moran.
It would be appreciate that if there is some formal investigation regarding the status if this individual, that a formal inquiry be made to this office.
I submit to you 2 docuмents
1) attests to his ordination to the priesthood. The letterhead states Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox by the Grace of Kiev.
Therefore, he would have been ordained into the Orthodox Autocephalous Church.
The letter with protocol # 2/75 (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.
Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.
Another letter allegedly from Bishop Isidore to Ambrose. Is suspect.
It has no protocol number. It is dated Aug. 26, 1976 A later letter dated June 30, 1980 is signed by "Fr." Moran.
I also submit to you copies of Bishop Isidore's signature written on 3 different occasions. You could compare the signature of that letter with Bishop Isidore's authentic signature.
2) The second letter (attached) was received by Bishop Isidore
Dated June 30, 1980.
Here "Fr. " Moran revealed that he has submitted to the Orthodox Church
Evidently there is a docuмent stating that Patriarch Slypyj and Bishop Isidore consecrated Ambrose.
The attached signatures could help authenticate or discredit that docuмent.
Sincerely,
Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky
I'm attaching the 2 docuмents referenced.
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I also have the docuмent containing the signatures. However, I'm not sure if I should post it. I don't want William Moran to have access to these signatures. But if the signatures are already available on the web, it wouldn't matter. Does anyone know? Any thoughts on this issue?
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He told me that the four signposts on the road into hell are the 4 bishops of the SSPX. The message to Bishop Williamson is: that Bishop Williamson himself will be also one of the signposts on the rod into hell, because he did not consecrate a new bishop! But then he was happy that the bishop obeyed his warning and consecrated a new bishop (bishop Faure).
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So I think we have proved that William Moran is not a Catholic priest. We haven't yet proved that he is not a priest at all. But he was not ever, is not now, and almost certainly never will be a Catholic priest. At best he is a schismatic priest. But I have my doubts about that too. We know that in the mid 70s he was associated with Fr. Ropke who was Catholic. We have pictures of that. So my theory is that he was in the Catholic seminary with Fr. Ropke (who was not yet ordained when the pictures were taken). He most likely was kicked out of the seminary. So he then forged the Orthodox docuмents and tried to get into the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto based on that. When that failed, he entered the Orthodox Church of America. He probably got kicked out of that too. Somewhere along the line he started pretending to be a bishop. All the time he had been living with his parents in NY. I would not be surprised if he did work as a janitor at some point. Basically he has been bouncing all around both in Orthodox and Catholic circles weaving an intricate web of lies which have fooled a lot of people.
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Moran may use the docuмent in a bad way.
We are doing the job Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeiffer should have done , by the way
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Actually in 1980 Ambrose admitted that he was not a Bishop as we suspected. There's not a single docuмent proving he was/is bishop and even if he was, he is schismatic and does not care about Dom Lefebvre. He just want someone to pay his bills
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We are doing the job Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeiffer should have done , by the way
Amen to that!
Let's hope they remember the work of Matthew (so Fr. Pfeiffer don't come with these theory that "we are being persecuted) and many people here who posted information, contacted these Orthodox Churches and everyone who investigated the Ambrose past. (not including myself, I just reposted what was here before I arrived).
I'm just saying the truth: you guys investigated Ambrose past, not anyone else.
Cathinfo should do a mythbusters episode on Ambrose
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Clemens Maria
I looked for Bishop Borecky's signatures after I first read the 1976 letter. I couldn't find any online. I don't think you should publish them. But please give us your analysis. Are the signatures handwritten and do they have variations? The 1976 Toronto letter seems as though it is overloaded with info. When I first read it I expected a P.S. like "Archbishop Lefebvre sends his regards"!
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clemens maria - In your opinion , do those real +isidore signatures you got make the ones ambrose is using look like fakes? I wouldn't post them just yet.
I'm more inclined to follow obediens' advice. The only sig that Moran doesn't already have is +Dimitri's. So I don't think there is any harm in posting them. I took a look at opus' post again and compared Moran's docuмent to what UCET sent me and I can confirm that the UCET sig for +Borecky is noticeably different from Moran's docuмent. But it isn't so different that you wouldn't recognize it. So I think Moran had an authentic sig from +Borecky which he forged onto the docuмent to make it look like +Borecky was recognizing him as a bishop. I believe opus' analysis is vindicated.
So unless someone can offer a good reason for me not to post the signatures, I will do that later today.
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I'm open to different opinions on whether to post or not. Maybe Matthew can allow me to email him the sigs and he can forward it to opus or someone who he trusts to do a good job of comparing the UCET sig to Moran's docuмent.
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If the sig was exactly the same as Moran's, I would be inclined to believe the stamped sig theory but because they are different, I don't think +Borecky was using stamps.
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It is also interesting that Moran also used the religious name Basil in that 1980 letter.
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Oh, I just noticed, Moran already has +Dimitri's sig too. There isn't a single sig that he doesn't already have. And he will never get away with using these sigs because now we know his MO and we'll be on the lookout for photoshopped sigs. I think I should post the sigs. Anyone still objecting?
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If Ambrose Moran posts something using new signature graphics AFTER they're posted here -- well, if anyone isn't suspicious at that point, we can't stop people from being willfully blind and intentionally stupid.
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Just googled for Fr. Basil Moran. First thing that came up was an article about Gary Michael Moran murdering Fr. Kenneth Walker, FSSP in Phoenix, Arizona. Ugh.
I didn't find anything else. Maybe that was a short-lived alias? Or maybe he forgot which character he was supposed to be playing for UCET?
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Since many of these letters are old and typed on a typewriter you might compare the typing to see if the same typewriter was used. Typewriters were imperfect, some letters were slightly bent and typed irregular letters, some letters appeared darker, etc.
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irirfleo .................... Has anyone saved the Pablo's video which he says bad things?
Here is mp3 audio less the copyrighted music.
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I received a reply from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. It was an email.
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I'm attaching the 2 docuмents referenced.
My first question: Is it strange that his ordination certificate (from New York) has the same stationery border as his consecration certificate (from Rome)?
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I received a reply from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. It was an email.
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I'm attaching the 2 docuмents referenced.
My first question: Is it strange that his ordination certificate (from New York) has the same stationery border as his consecration certificate (from Rome)?
Not if you are a janitor living in your parents' basement.
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Here is the docuмent containing the signatures.
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Are the Fr. Pfeiffer and Hewko looking for a new Orthodox now? :( I hope they don't.
They may find a better liar next time..
(http://i.imgur.com/03uMtcK.jpg)
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I am late to chiming in here. It's been a long two weeks.
After looking at all the evidence, I think this so-called bishop Ambrose might be clinically ill. It seems that he jumps from one camp to another, hoping to be "let in". He takes advantages of those around him, and then he is off to his next adventure.
I do think that to avoid all this mess and confusion, Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko should have handled this is secret, and under the guidance of either Faure or Williamson. We are not sure to what degree he has presented a danger to the faithful.
I don't need to go into many reasons why I think he is ill or a fraud, except to say that he keeps referencing JPII and the picture he shows of their meeting is entirely faked. As a novice user of Photoshop, this is evident to me.
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Give me a hug my dear Orthodox (http://i2.wp.com/photo-lviv.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/1965_slipyj_josyf_i_papa_pawlo_vi.jpg)
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Here is the docuмent containing the signatures.
I thought at least the letter from Toronto affirming him as (what they thought to be) a priest might be real, but after comparing his signature, I think that is probably fake too.
The "B" is very different and he always stops after the "e" in Borecky and starts the "c" from the top, unlike the signatures provided by Ambrose.
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Isidore Borecky assinature... thoughts?
(http://i.imgur.com/4jeGLuw.png)
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Materdominici - great job spotting the use of the same docuмent borders. That is a smoking gun.
After viewing all of the isidore borecky signatures available from clemens and ambrose, it is obvious that ambrose has forged them. The real isidore has spaces in between his letters. But, ambrose's don't. They are just a sloppy mess that doesn't at all look like the real deal.
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We have so many smoking guns --
As I asked last week though, what now for Boston, KY? I don't see them backing down from this, even if it destroys them.
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I don't see how Frs P and H could overlook these things in their own "investigation" unless they are blinded by their desire for a tame bishop.
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2+2=Ambrose
2✖️0 = Ambrose
"2 + 1 = 5" = Ambrose.
Or,
"Pig + button X friendship = music" = Ambrose
Or for the programmers among us:
if (ambrose) {
// This code will never get executed.
}
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I missed this in the anonymous subforum. Maybe others missed it too.
This comment has been posted here:
http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.in/2015/10/fr-chazal-on-bishop-ambrose-or-bishop.html#comment-form
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AnonymousOctober 15, 2015 at 7:00 AM
Update:
I have spoken with a priest of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church who I personally know quite well. He has informed me that he knew this man as "Archbishop Ambrose Moran" on Long Island, NY in the years 2004-2005. He told me that Moran claimed to be a bishop of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church. This priest I know told me that he offered the funeral mass for what he believed, at the time, to be Moran's mother. The date was January 26, 2005. Moran was able to sing in Slavonic during the Mass. Moran had a chapel inside a private home in East Islip, NY but he had no visible means of support and no parish. About one year after the elderly woman (who was presumed to be his mother) had died, Moran told this priest the government was taking the house in East Islip away from him and that he would have to leave. Had the elderly woman my priest friend buried really been Moran's mother? The priest had not seen a death certificate, which wasn't unusual, and he assumed the funeral home had obtained one. But he has no record of which funeral home was involved in the burial. My priest friend began to have his doubts about Moran due to other things he noticed in the intervening time frame between the burial and Moran's departure/disappearance.
My friend contacted retired Bishop Basil Losten (Eparchy of Stamford, CT) and Bishop Losten has confirmed, that to his knowledge, this man is not a priest nor is he a bishop. There is more to this that I don't wish to add here. If the moderator would like to know more, please advise.
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The website Catholic Hierarchy says that Bishop Losten can be contacted via the Eparchy of Stamford, CT.
Bishop(s)
Paul Patrick Chomnycky, O.S.B.M., Bishop (61.41)
Basil Harry Losten, Bishop Emeritus (85.43)
General Information
Type of Jurisdiction: Eparchy
Elevated: 10 July 1958
Metropolitan: Archeparchy of Philadelphia (Ukrainian)
Ukrainian Catholic Church of the Byzantine Tradition
Country: United States of America
Conference Region: XV (Eastern Rites)
Web Site: http://members.tripod.com/~cerkva/index.html
Mailing Address: 161 Glenbrook Rd., Stamford, CT 06902, USA
Telephone: (203)324-7698
Fax: 357-7681
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I got rid of TEN pages of fluff, sidetracks, redundant material, and other non-essential contributions to the thread, at least for archiving purposes.
After several posts talking about the same thing (the unwieldiness and intimidating nature of this thread) I decided it was time to trim it down.
After all, if everyone visiting CathInfo from now on is intimidated by the size of this thread, and no one else reads it, then what good is it?
So right now ALL 54 pages are good content. A few short posts, observations, comments, etc. but everything trim-able has been trimmed.
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A complete PDF of this entire thread, 114 pages in color PDF format.
Print it out on your printer, read it offline, read it on your tablet while offline, you name it!
165 MB download:
http://www.cathinfo.com/ambrose.pdf
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Isidore Borecky assinature [signature]... thoughts?
(http://i.imgur.com/4jeGLuw.png)
Here is what I thought about these two signatures:
First, the separation of letters in the second example seems to be one of two things, either this was how the person signing would write as a very young person, or else someone who is just practicing how to write a NEW name, such as after a name change. If one learns to sign his name with cursive style from the beginning, he does not then switch to separate letters later in life, unless he's signing a DIFFERENT name. Therefore, the dates associated with these two sigs ought to be considered since the first example should be more recent (older person) and the second example should be earlier (younger person). The age of the person signing the first example is likely older furthermore, because the roughness and hesitant movement of the pen in the first example is much greater than the second example, which is what happens to elderly people, or when some neurological problem makes writing more difficult, such as after a stroke or even heart problems.
Second, there are various things wrong with each sig, but they're not the same things. It's as though the signer for A had particular problems but the signer for B had different problems. The first "I" in the second example was written with the pen beginning with the horizontal top with a little curve in it to the right, then abruptly flows down to the left and circles clockwise around the "+", then without interruption flows up into the "S" shape that finishes off the letter "I." Remember that this is the version where many of the other letters are broken apart, written separately, not cursively. The letter "I" at the beginning of the second example is a typically cursive style, whereas the rest of the same signature is not cursive at all, with the two exceptions of the "s" immediately following the "I" in Isadore and the "r" in Borecky. Do not miss the fact that the "r" in Isadore is a printed letter, and therefore entirely different in style from the cursive "r" in Borecky. This person was very much at ease with writing the initial "I" in cursive style, whereas the person in the first example was very much ILL at ease writing the initial "I." The "I" in the first example is all chopped up, and it's not easy to see what came first and what followed. If the same process of stroke as found in the second example is presumed, the parts of the first example "I" do not seem to fit the pattern, for from the very start, there is no top horizontal beginning stroke at all, but rather it seems to start at the bottom, circling the "+" clockwise, then stopping abruptly in the place where the second example flows smoothly into the rising "S" shape to finish the "I." This interrupted movement is only found by using the second example as a guide to the first example.
The first example has two r's in "Borrecky," and has no final "e" in Isidore. There is a bothersome line striking diagonally down through the capital B. The "k" in the first example is nothing like the one in the second, and the "y" that follows each is likewise very different comparing the two signatures. The first one looks more like a "z." There is no hint of any dot over the "i" in Isidore in the first signature, whereas it is prominent and part of the signing in the second signature.
Finally, among the inconsistencies is to be seen a small counterclockwise circle in three places in the second example, which are not found at all in the first example. One is in the base of the small "s" the second letter of Isidore. The next is the start of the letter "B" in Borecky, which is missing in the first example. The third is at the top of the letter "c." If it were only one place perhaps it would be excusable, but two places is more of a pattern. This is in three places -- so it's rather convincing that a different hand was holding the pen than in the first example. The top of the "B" in the first example is unfortunately missing, but the top of the same "B" in the second example is discontinuous, as if how to draw the second half of the same letter had to be thought about before moving forward. When someone signs his name he does not normally stop and think about it mid-signature. But these two examples have multiple stops, especially the second example, giving the impression that the signer had to stop and think along the way to remember what he wants this signature to look like this time.
Poorly done forgeries often have multiple inconsistencies.
I uploaded a copy of the image from LucasL's post so this can be in the CI archives. I recall having read someone's comments on these two signatures but I can't find them now. 55 pages is a lot to search through.
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Peoples signatures can change substantially from time to time.I myself have received a few calls from my bank over the years questioning whether my signature on checks was genuine because they aroused suspicion.
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Was Bishop Borecky Polish? Was Polish his first language and does the second signature have any similarities with handwritten Polish or Russian? The first signature looks like a typical North American mess. It's odd to me that the first signature seems to try to write the capital letter I with the loops, sort of, and then completely ignores copying the rest of the second signature.
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I don't know if it's been uploaded on here but Bishop Kirkland's Orthodox certicate of consecration is available online. It's on the same stationary and has the same address and phone number as Moran's ordination paper. Ilnyckyj's signature can be compaired on those two docuмents if anyone wants to.
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Fr. Pfeiffer should not be sad alone. In fact Moran was not investigated by the Ukranian Catholic Church as well and the ultimate task to unmask him was left to you and a few good members here which by October 11 (when I joined) was already exposed and confirmed that Ambrose can be anything but a good liar.
Good reminder above and
Did not the SSPX some years back look into his "credentials" and did they not discount him??.........(Fr. Ward I think.)
Anyone still with/inside the SSPX to shed more light on this individual. Please come forward.
Thank you.
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Peoples signatures can change substantially from time to time. I myself have received a few calls from my bank over the years questioning whether my signature on checks was genuine because they aroused suspicion.
You have a good bank. They SHOULD check signatures but all too often do NOT. I had to challenge a check that had been debited from my checking balance, when only after I had requested a copy of it did I see that it was not my check. It had someone else's name and address on it, some entirely different signature that was not even remotely close to any of the letters in my name, and was payable to a company name I had never heard of. The only thing that matched my account was the number printed at the bottom. The bank agreed it was fraud and refunded the lost money, as I recall around $600, but they could not explain how such a bad fake could have made it through the system.
I don't claim to be an expert in handwriting, and it's true as you say that signatures can change over time. However, if it is the same person, in my experience, a certain style that existed let's say early in life, is very likely to still exist many years later in life. Any good bank looking at these two example signatures would have to be suspicious.
That's why it would be nice to know if the first example above is more recent, that is, to be found on a docuмent that is not very old, and if the second example is from an earlier docuмent and therefore written by a younger person -- assuming it was the same person writing it as the person who wrote the first example. For if the first example is on a docuмent from say 40 years ago and the second example is from a docuмent of 5 years ago, to me, that would be a serious red flag.
Signatures can change over time, but it's hard to imagine how this signature could change from the first example into the second example at a later date.
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... It's odd to me that the first signature seems to try to write the capital letter I with the loops, sort of, and then completely ignores copying the rest of the second signature.
I thought the same thing. It's almost like he gave up trying after the first letter was so difficult. That would also explain the gaps in the second example, where the signer may have been stopping to check how the next letter ought to appear, even if rendering a close imitation would be to much trouble.
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Again, I'd like to point out just how DIFFERENT the various pictures of Ambrose are.
Each picture a different place, a different "look", even a different Rite in some cases. This man will go where the money is.
Look at him in Boston, KY right now (on the 30 days in Boston site). He looks *totally* different from any of his past pictures. Now he's playing the Trad Bishop. He has a purple cassock, which assaults our Trad senses with the apparent reality "I'm a bishop".
Just like it would take you aback if I was carrying around some unconsecrated hosts before Mass. If you went too much on "appearances", such things would throw you off more than usual. If your mind was more simplistic, "see a host, worship God" it would bother you more. But other people might do more thinking habitually -- has this been consecrated during a valid Mass? etc. before you go into "adoration" mode.
Reason is SO much more error proof than feelings and the senses. Think of a priest who grew up on emotion and sense. What happens when he starts to experience dryness? What happens when he starts to handle sacred things on a regular basis -- for example, the altar bread and Consecrated Hosts? He will notice just how similar they are, and he might have doubts about his Faith, and Transubstantiation in particular. If his faith didn't have an intellectual or "pure reason" dimension, his Faith is toast.
I could put on a purple cassock; it wouldn't make me a bishop. Let's not replace reason, truth and reality with emotion, senses, and appearances.
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I don't know if it's been uploaded on here but Bishop Kirkland's Orthodox certicate of consecration is available online. It's on the same stationary and has the same address and phone number as Moran's ordination paper. Ilnyckyj's signature can be compaired on those two docuмents if anyone wants to.
Can you give a link to this? I tried to find it without success.
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I found it now. Of course the signature doesn't match at all.
What is the same is that not only is this the same stationery, but it's EXACTLY the same -- note the blotches on the upper left and right X's.
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Do the official printed headings on both certificates say Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church? I google translated the printed part and between Serbian, Ukrainian, and Russian that's what it looks like to me. Can anybody read it? I would think the translation is what's underneath the heading on Bishop Kirkland's certificate. Right?
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For those thinking that Ambrose might be a valid Orthodox priest, this succession list for Bishop Michael Kirkland seems to suggest that Nicholas Ilnyckyj wasn't consecrated until 1978 -- four years after the date on Ambrose's ordination certificate.
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/u/uaoc-oca-sec/index.php?p=1_4_History
In 1961, at the death of Metropolitan JOSEPH, Archbishop PETER was elected Moderator of the Standing Episcopal Conference. Metropolitan PETER II (Zhurawetzky) and Archbishop JOACHIM (Souris) consecrated Archbishop NIKOLAUS (Ilnyckyj) in 1978 for the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the United States.
This site says the same:
http://www.apostle1.com/aoc-history1.htm
In 1978, Archbishop +Peter (Zhurawetsky) assisted by Greek Archbishop +Joachim (Souris) and Greek Bishop +Lavrentios (Maniatakis) consecrated Metropolitan +Nicholas (Llnyckyj) for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
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Mater, I suspect that those who are accepting Ambrose are doing so either at face value (no pun intended because it's not his real face, is it) or simply because he enjoys the endorsement of Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. This second factor is so inverted--since when do bishops derive their authority from priests?
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It's odd that the certificate stationery is the same from 1974 to 1986 from Catholic to Orthodox from New York to Rome from priest ordination to Bishop consecration. Bishop Kirkland's Orthodox certificate in 1986 and Moran's ordination and his Cardinal Slipyj consecration certificate in 1976 are all printed from the same source. Note that the twelfth star down on the right hand border on all the docuмents have the same stamp imperfection.
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Mater, I suspect that those who are accepting Ambrose are doing so either at face value (no pun intended because it's not his real face, is it) or simply because he enjoys the endorsement of Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. This second factor is so inverted--since when do bishops derive their authority from priests?
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
You have to understand the pathology (that's what it is) of this cult mentality.
Equally bizarre is a man who won't attend a Mass until Fr. Pfeiffer approves it. And if Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't give his approval, it doesn't matter HOW Catholic it is, how much the priest in question preaches against Vatican II and modernism, the man won't go to his Mass, purely because Fr. Pfeiffer didn't give his approval.
If someone can be that irrational and brainwashed like a typical cult member, then they can accept a con man like Ambrose as a bishop. It doesn't matter what Fr. Pfeiffer says. What he says is the truth. It doesn't matter what that pesky "reality" tries to interject. Just ignore him -- he's a "hater" and we're persecuted, because we're the true remnant, yadda yadda.
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For those thinking that Ambrose might be a valid Orthodox priest, this succession list for Bishop Michael Kirkland seems to suggest that Nicholas Ilnyckyj wasn't consecrated until 1978 -- four years after the date on Ambrose's ordination certificate.
http://www.ourchurch.com/member/u/uaoc-oca-sec/index.php?p=1_4_History
In 1961, at the death of Metropolitan JOSEPH, Archbishop PETER was elected Moderator of the Standing Episcopal Conference. Metropolitan PETER II (Zhurawetzky) and Archbishop JOACHIM (Souris) consecrated Archbishop NIKOLAUS (Ilnyckyj) in 1978 for the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in the United States.
This site says the same:
http://www.apostle1.com/aoc-history1.htm
In 1978, Archbishop +Peter (Zhurawetsky) assisted by Greek Archbishop +Joachim (Souris) and Greek Bishop +Lavrentios (Maniatakis) consecrated Metropolitan +Nicholas (Llnyckyj) for the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.
It's almost entirely irrelevant whether or not he is a valid Orthodox priest. The important thing to remember is that he is NOT a Catholic priest. Even on the off-chance that he actually was ordained validly by a valid Orthodox bishop would you receive sacraments from him? He's not Catholic!
Nevertheless, since this guy has inserted himself into the traditional Catholic milieu, it would be interesting to find out if he is a valid Orthodox priest. Given that we have caught Moran in many lies already, why would we believe that his ordination was authentic based solely on information that he produces? I would need to hear something from Bishop Ilnyckyj (or his successors) before I would believe it. But then I know nothing about the Autocephalous Orthodox Church of America and Europe. Do they have valid orders? If they don't have valid orders, case closed. But if they do have valid orders, we would still have to contact them and ask them if they will confirm Moran's claims. You know, the claims he made to the GOCA in 2007 which he now denies and instead claims that he was ordained by +Slipyj. So now we are reduced to trying to verify a claim which Moran himself denies. OK.
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Long story short, if he can't provide any LIVING REFERENCES that we can contact -- and who will speak to us -- how are we to believe his story?
I'm sure there are MANY Trads who would love to believe his story.
Help us out here. No, we're not so crazy we are willing to deceive ourselves. But short of that, I'd love to believe him.
If I applied for a job and gave NO references, or gave a few references to people from 20 years ago who either wouldn't answer the phone or were dead, would you hire me?
It's not too much to ask -- really it isn't.
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If I applied for a job and gave NO references, or gave a few references to people from 20 years ago who either wouldn't answer the phone or were dead, would you hire me?
Oh, I don't know. If you provided a picture of yourself typing away on a keyboard, I would, based on that alone, certainly be convinced that you're a programmer.
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We need to really think deeply about this, and it will all become clear.
Would Fr. Zendejas (for example -- feel free to replace his name with any other valid Trad priest) EVER be in this position, even if the bishop who ordained him (Bp. De Galarreta) passed away tomorrow and then 20 years passed?
No, there would still be tons of places he worked for years, plenty of witnesses to his ordination, plenty more who saw it in the Verbum that year (1989), etc.
So even being old is no excuse for "all my witnesses are dead, and hello, of course the bishop who consecrated/ordained me is dead."
Well there should be priests/bishops who can vouch for your ordination/consecration.
And let's not forget the most basic thing: All we need is ONE docuмent to prove ordination and ONE docuмent to prove consecration. Everything else is fluff, or actually CHAFF (material ejected from fighter jets to confuse heat-seeking missiles, so they chase after and destroy a piece of the chaff instead of the plane itself) Most grains of chaff are wasted. But that one blessed, blessed piece does the job and diverts the missile, and all the expense of the whole "load" of chaff is more than covered, since the jet was saved from destruction.
Note that ALL liars, deceivers, and even those who just have something to hide, engage in this. If you don't throw around a bunch of talk, people will focus on the lie, which is A) uncomfortable and B) dangerous. That's why liars are very talkative.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't ALL voices from the past been emphatically negative about Ambrose Moran and his "story"? Yes, a single layman (who never saw his ordination or an ordination certificate) vouching for him as a priest wouldn't be much proof -- but do we even have that?
The only people we've been able to contact have been firmly in the negative about Ambrose.
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If I applied for a job and gave NO references, or gave a few references to people from 20 years ago who either wouldn't answer the phone or were dead, would you hire me?
Oh, I don't know. If you provided a picture of yourself typing away on a keyboard, I would, based on that alone, certainly be convinced that you're a programmer.
And see, I wrote world-famous games!
See the author on the bottom of the box?
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I wanted to keep this a secret but....
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Keep a secret...... :confused1: something new we don't already know? Nothing will surprise me now. :incense:
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My friend contacted retired Bishop Basil Losten (Eparchy of Stamford, CT) and Bishop Losten has confirmed, that to his knowledge, this man is not a priest nor is he a bishop.
having lived in NY and having attended one of the ukranian parishes on and off for over 10 years, if Bishop Losten does not believe him to be a priest. the orthodox and catholic churches are very friendly. the diocese that ambrose claims to have been in is under CT. then he is not a priest.
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My friend contacted retired Bishop Basil Losten (Eparchy of Stamford, CT) and Bishop Losten has confirmed, that to his knowledge, this man is not a priest nor is he a bishop.
having lived in NY and having attended one of the ukranian parishes on and off for over 10 years, if Bishop Losten does not believe him to be a priest. the orthodox and catholic churches are very friendly. the diocese that ambrose claims to have been in is under CT. then he is not a priest.
This is what bishops are for -- but here is this layman pretending to be a bishop, when it's a bishop's place to announce that he's not a bishop - or a priest!
How many of the faithful have received so-called holy communion from him, and will Frs. P & H step in to put this scandal out of its misery?
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This is what bishops are for -- but here is this layman pretending to be a bishop, when it's a bishop's place to announce that he's not a bishop - or a priest!
How many of the faithful have received so-called holy communion from him, and will Frs. P & H step in to put this scandal out of its misery?.
Exactly. As I have posted in several threads--it's an inversion of ecclesiastical order to have priests declaring the validity of a bishop.
Even if he was valid I wouldn't have anything to do with him or OLMC--he's Orthodox. End of sentence. Case closed.
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Even if he was valid I wouldn't have anything to do with him or OLMC--he's Orthodox. End of sentence. Case closed.
No, the case is not closed. This is the thread that never dies. I am beginning to suspect that Matthew likes the view numbers (approaching 50,000). It makes people believe, perhaps, that there are more people following the topics on Cathinfo than actually are, that the Cathinfo population is much larger than it actually is. I suspect Matthew will take umbrage at my remarks. I hope he does. :laugh1:
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No, the case is not closed. This is the thread that never dies. I am beginning to suspect that Matthew likes the view numbers (approaching 50,000). It makes people believe, perhaps, that there are more people following the topics on Cathinfo than actually are, that the Cathinfo population is much larger than it actually is. I suspect Matthew will take umbrage at my remarks. I hope he does. :laugh1:
You suspect I'll take umbrage...and you even HOPE I do? What, are you a troll? That's a textbook definition of trolling, BTW.
I think people know the truth, that the view numbers are just how many times the thread has been viewed. I would be the last one to claim that CathInfo has 50,000 readers. I have never inflated CathInfo's importance, numbers, traffic or anything else and you know it. Perhaps you're confusing me with a certain unemployed hobo who thinks he's the Great Monarch?
Obviously any thread like this is clicked on multiple times by each interested person, to read (or check for) the latest posts.
You, on the other hand, have been opposed for your strange opposition to this "Find the truth about Ambrose" project on several occasions (I remember well, since I just trimmed the Ambrose thread. Your posts along these lines were among those "trimmed")
I know, there are more problems in Boston besides Ambrose. I agree with that much. But Ambrose is the BIGGEST problem at the moment. Fake sacraments is about as serious as it gets for a Trad organization.
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If you were getting ready to be wheeled into the OR and the Cardiologist presented these similar credentials would you allow him to cut into you? Not so sure why people would entrust their immortal soul to such a man as this.
Mary Help of Christians... Pray for us.
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If you were getting ready to be wheeled into the OR and the Cardiologist presented these similar credentials would you allow him to cut into you? Not so sure why people would entrust their immortal soul to such a man as this.
Mary Help of Christians... Pray for us.
Good point.
If he just showed you a bunch of pictures of him cutting into people (nevermind that all his patients died -- the pictures give the appearance that he did several successful open heart surgeries).
And the only hospitals/medical boards you were able to contact were either negative "stay away from him, he's a fraud" or neutral "I don't know him".
And his degree and medical board certification look
"doctored" (pardon the pun!)
But not a single medical authority, doctor, nurse, orderly, hospital official, or medical board member has vouched that this man is indeed a legit doctor.
Not good.
Thus far my analogy. Going back to the actual situation...
It can't be emphasized enough how ridiculous it is, and how true it is, that not a single person has come forward to vouch for Ambrose Moran as a legit priest or bishop. No former parishioner, nothing. Why can't we hear from ONE former parishioner? There should be hundreds or thousands of them; they can't all be dead or unavailable. Probably because they all found out at some point he was a fraud. That's why he had to keep packing up his tent and moving on, in the dead of night like a classic "fly by night". He is always somewhere different from month to month, and year to year.
Ambrose claims to have been ordained in 1974. That's 41 years ago -- a long time to be a priest. Where was he during all those years? What flock did he serve? Didn't he get to know anyone?
You can forget about time spent underground behind the Iron Curtain. He didn't go, period. Nevermind that going there was the rationale for his so-called consecration. For some mysterious reason (certainly not lack of need! Communism was alive and well, even on the surface/officially, until 1991) he decided to cool his jets in safe, cozy American suburbia instead. What the heck?
Fr. Zendejas has been a priest since 1989, and he knows TONS of people, has tons of "fans", and people who would vouch for him. He led several pilgrimages in Mexico years ago, and one German lady at my independent chapel apparently attended one of them, had fond memories of it, and showed me a picture from that event a couple weeks ago. She wanted to show it to Fr. Zendejas. It's a small world!
But he was a real priest with an active ministry (Ridgefield, Houston, etc.) Apparently Ambrose Moran spent years at a time bumming around at his mother's apartment, not doing any kind of work because his mom was supporting him. But 41 years is a lot of time! Didn't he endear himself to ANY people at ANY chapels of ANY kind during those 4 decades?
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The battle is not over!
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I suspect Matthew will take umbrage at my remarks. I hope he does. :laugh1:
You suspect I'll take umbrage...and you even HOPE I do? What, are you a troll?
That's a textbook definition of trolling, BTW.
So THAT'S what it means?! :tv-disturbed: :surprised:
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Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.
What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.
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Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.
What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.
A classic case of "out of the frying pan, into the fire".
Bishop Fellay compromises the Faith for the sake of his group, money, numbers, the big seminary he wants to build, etc.
Fr. Pfeiffer overlooks all the problems surrounding him, excusing them for the sake of his group, money, numbers, the seminary he wants to build, etc.
Both men ignore any evidence or criticism against them, distort the facts, or even outright lie in some cases when they are backed into a corner or confronted by a well-educated layman. I have heard from individuals who have caught Fr. Pfeiffer in actual lies. Father seems to believe that the ends justify the means!
He needs prayers, that's for sure.
However serious the problems in the SSPX, having an apostate intimately involved with day-to-day seminary operations, lack of proper environment and training in a seminary, as well as embracing a con-artist as a bishop, and rejecting (2) real Trad bishops... those things are grave as well.
At best, you might attend Mass with Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko. But you shouldn't support their seminary ambition -- it's a doomed enterprise. If you want to help form the next generation of priests and God gave you the means, there are other seminaries much more worthy of your support (in the Resistance, I mean)
And a Catholic *certainly* should stay home rather than attend "mass" with Mr. Ambrose Moran (if that is indeed his real name). He's a con man, a layman, and can't forgive sins, confect the Blessed Sacrament or offer the Holy Sacrifice.
A Catholic must always reject doubtful sacraments. This is Church teaching. That's why we reject the Novus Ordo! That's why we're all Traditional Catholics in the first place.
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Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.
What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.
Are there really 50 missions served by Fr. Pfeiffer? That is hard to imagine. Of course, Ambrose is as phony as a four dollar bill. That fact has been shown, and proven, I think, ad nauseum
Of course, Fr. P. realizes this. How can he not? But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic? Father is cornered. How does he get out of that corner? I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong. I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission. No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats). The man is not without rhetorical gifts. I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:
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TRM: Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.
What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.
Are there really 50 missions served by Fr. Pfeiffer? That is hard to imagine. Of course, Ambrose is as phony as a four dollar bill. That fact has been shown, and proven, I think, ad nauseum
Of course, Fr. P. realizes this. How can he not? But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic? Father is cornered. How does he get out of that corner? I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong. I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission. No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats). The man is not without rhetorical gifts. I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:
The solution is for the missions to immediately stop requesting his services.
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TRM: Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.
What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.
Are there really 50 missions served by Fr. Pfeiffer? That is hard to imagine. Of course, Ambrose is as phony as a four dollar bill. That fact has been shown, and proven, I think, ad nauseum
Of course, Fr. P. realizes this. How can he not? But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic? Father is cornered. How does he get out of that corner? I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong. I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission. No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats). The man is not without rhetorical gifts. I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:
:popcorn: I hope that they are ready in Post Falls........................
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This prediction has turned out to be 100% accurate:
Of course, Fr. P. realizes this. How can he not? But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic? Father is cornered. How does he get out of that corner? I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong. I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission. No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats). The man is not without rhetorical gifts.
I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:
The last post in this thread (above) was written the same day that Ambrose was delivering his 'sermon' which later would be blamed as the reason that he was going to be asked not to come back (for a while at least).
In the sermon he gave on Oct. 31st he is quoted as having said that the Boston KY seminary was canonically erected. No one has been able to say what Ambrose meant by that: whether he was confused, or whether he had intended to say something else, or whether he was thinking that he himself had done something or was about to do something to effect this canonical status.
In any case, over the course of the past 12 days that sermon and those words have turned into a convenient coat-hook on which to hang the news that Ambrose is no longer (at least for a while) going to be welcome at OLMC seminary or any of their many missions elsewhere.
There has been no hint of apology from Fr. Pfeiffer for having made any mistake in judgment, and there has been no hint of admission that any of Ambrose/Moran's so-called sacraments may have been invalid.
Who is Fr. Pfeiffer's confessor?
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Any updates on this Ambrose situation?
Very important docuмent posted on ecclesiamilitans.com on the Theological study done on his case by Fr. Ortiz.
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Theological_Canonical_Study_Ambrose_Moran.pdf
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WHAT???
Page 5 top
Maybe I misread or overlooked something, but I see nothing objectionable or shocking in the piece you point to. What bothers you about it?
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WHAT???
Page 5 top
Maybe I misread or overlooked something, but I see nothing objectionable or shocking in the piece you point to. What bothers you about it?
Yes, I don't see the problem either, JMacQ.
I guess we're all dense, or you're jumping to conclusions?
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This theological study is VERY well done and powerful. Fr. Ortiz has done a great service to the Catholic world.
It really takes an objective look at the whole situation, breaking everything down and looking at it from the perspective of Catholic doctrine.
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I cannot take seriously a theological study in which I read that for receiving validly Holy Orders in the Catholic Church majority of age and celibacy are essential elements. For validity. This is exactly what is written on top of page 5. I am not making this up and I am not jumping to conclusions. And this is very bad doctrine, even I can tell.
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Any updates on this Ambrose situation?
Very important docuмent posted on ecclesiamilitans.com on the Theological study done on his case by Fr. Ortiz.
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/Theological_Canonical_Study_Ambrose_Moran.pdf
Thank you. I wonder where Mr. Ambrose Moran will pop up next.