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More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran
« Reply #270 on: October 25, 2015, 02:33:54 AM »
I don't see how Frs P and H could overlook these things in their own "investigation" unless they are blinded by their desire for a tame bishop.

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« Reply #271 on: October 25, 2015, 08:08:47 PM »
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2+2=Ambrose


2✖️0 = Ambrose


"2 + 1 = 5" = Ambrose.

Or,

"Pig + button X friendship = music" = Ambrose

Or for the programmers among us:

if (ambrose) {
   // This code will never get executed.
}


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« Reply #272 on: October 26, 2015, 10:23:25 PM »
I missed this in the anonymous subforum.  Maybe others missed it too.

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http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.in/2015/10/fr-chazal-on-bishop-ambrose-or-bishop.html#comment-form


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AnonymousOctober 15, 2015 at 7:00 AM

Update:
I have spoken with a priest of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church who I personally know quite well. He has informed me that he knew this man as "Archbishop Ambrose Moran" on Long Island, NY in the years 2004-2005. He told me that Moran claimed to be a bishop of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church. This priest I know told me that he offered the funeral mass for what he believed, at the time, to be Moran's mother. The date was January 26, 2005. Moran was able to sing in Slavonic during the Mass. Moran had a chapel inside a private home in East Islip, NY but he had no visible means of support and no parish. About one year after the elderly woman (who was presumed to be his mother) had died, Moran told this priest the government was taking the house in East Islip away from him and that he would have to leave. Had the elderly woman my priest friend buried really been Moran's mother? The priest had not seen a death certificate, which wasn't unusual, and he assumed the funeral home had obtained one. But he has no record of which funeral home was involved in the burial. My priest friend began to have his doubts about Moran due to other things he noticed in the intervening time frame between the burial and Moran's departure/disappearance.

My friend contacted retired Bishop Basil Losten (Eparchy of Stamford, CT) and Bishop Losten has confirmed, that to his knowledge, this man is not a priest nor is he a bishop. There is more to this that I don't wish to add here. If the moderator would like to know more, please advise.

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The website Catholic Hierarchy says that Bishop Losten can be contacted via the Eparchy of Stamford, CT.


Bishop(s)

    Paul Patrick Chomnycky, O.S.B.M., Bishop (61.41)
    Basil Harry Losten, Bishop Emeritus (85.43)

   
General Information

    Type of Jurisdiction: Eparchy
    Elevated: 10 July 1958
    Metropolitan: Archeparchy of Philadelphia (Ukrainian)
    Ukrainian Catholic Church of the Byzantine Tradition
    Country: United States of America
    Conference Region: XV (Eastern Rites)
    Web Site: http://members.tripod.com/~cerkva/index.html
    Mailing Address: 161 Glenbrook Rd., Stamford, CT 06902, USA
    Telephone: (203)324-7698
    Fax: 357-7681

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« Reply #273 on: October 27, 2015, 09:05:48 PM »
I got rid of TEN pages of fluff, sidetracks, redundant material, and other non-essential contributions to the thread, at least for archiving purposes.

After several posts talking about the same thing (the unwieldiness and intimidating nature of this thread) I decided it was time to trim it down.

After all, if everyone visiting CathInfo from now on is intimidated by the size of this thread, and no one else reads it, then what good is it?

So right now ALL 54 pages are good content. A few short posts, observations, comments, etc. but everything trim-able has been trimmed.

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More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran
« Reply #274 on: October 28, 2015, 01:47:04 PM »
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Isidore Borecky assinature [signature]... thoughts?




Here is what I thought about these two signatures:  

First, the separation of letters in the second example seems to be one of two things, either this was how the person signing would write as a very young person, or else someone who is just practicing how to write a NEW name, such as after a name change.  If one learns to sign his name with cursive style from the beginning, he does not then switch to separate letters later in life, unless he's signing a DIFFERENT name.  Therefore, the dates associated with these two sigs ought to be considered since the first example should be more recent (older person) and the second example should be earlier (younger person).  The age of the person signing the first example is likely older furthermore, because the roughness and hesitant movement of the pen in the first example is much greater than the second example, which is what happens to elderly people, or when some neurological problem makes writing more difficult, such as after a stroke or even heart problems.

Second,  there are various things wrong with each sig, but they're not the same things.  It's as though the signer for A had particular problems but the signer for B had different problems.  The first "I" in the second example was written with the pen beginning with the horizontal top with a little curve in it to the right, then abruptly flows down to the left and circles clockwise around the "+", then without interruption flows up into the "S" shape that finishes off the letter "I."  Remember that this is the version where many of the other letters are broken apart, written separately, not cursively.  The letter "I" at the beginning of the second example is a typically cursive style, whereas the rest of the same signature is not cursive at all, with the two exceptions of the "s" immediately following the "I" in Isadore and the "r" in Borecky.  Do not miss the fact that the "r" in Isadore is a printed letter, and therefore entirely different in style from the cursive "r" in Borecky.  This person was very much at ease with writing the initial "I" in cursive style, whereas the person in the first example was very much ILL at ease writing the initial "I."  The "I" in the first example is all chopped up, and it's not easy to see what came first and what followed.  If the same process of stroke as found in the second example is presumed, the parts of the first example "I" do not seem to fit the pattern, for from the very start, there is no top horizontal beginning stroke at all, but rather it seems to start at the bottom, circling the "+" clockwise, then stopping abruptly in the place where the second example flows smoothly into the rising "S" shape to finish the "I."  This interrupted movement is only found by using the second example as a guide to the first example.

The first example has two r's in "Borrecky," and has no final "e" in Isidore.  There is a bothersome line striking diagonally down through the capital B. The "k" in the first example is nothing like the one in the second, and the "y" that follows each is likewise very different comparing the two signatures.  The first one looks more like a "z."  There is no hint of any dot over the "i" in Isidore in the first signature, whereas it is prominent and part of the signing in the second signature.

Finally, among the inconsistencies is to be seen a small counterclockwise circle in three places in the second example, which are not found at all in the first example.  One is in the base of the small "s" the second letter of Isidore.  The next is the start of the letter "B" in Borecky, which is missing in the first example.  The third is at the top of the letter "c."  If it were only one place perhaps it would be excusable, but two places is more of a pattern.  This is in three places -- so it's rather convincing that a different hand was holding the pen than in the first example. The top of the "B" in the first example is unfortunately missing, but the top of the same "B" in the second example is discontinuous, as if how to draw the second half of the same letter had to be thought about before moving forward.  When someone signs his name he does not normally stop and think about it mid-signature.  But these two examples have multiple stops, especially the second example, giving the impression that the signer had to stop and think along the way to remember what he wants this signature to look like this time.  

Poorly done forgeries often have multiple inconsistencies.

I uploaded a copy of the image from LucasL's post so this can be in the CI archives.  I recall having read someone's comments on these two signatures but I can't find them now.  55 pages is a lot to search through.

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