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« Reply #210 on: October 14, 2015, 10:50:04 AM »
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  • To me Ambrose has the intention to deceive. Why he wants to deceive people who are working for the True Catholic Church I don't know. Maybe he loves Pope Francis and wants to play with honest people or maybe he's just a lunatic.

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    « Reply #211 on: October 14, 2015, 02:15:45 PM »
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  • ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net>
    Date: Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:19 PM
    Subject: Re: Moran inquiry
    To: [Obscurus]

    Without giving any private information out I can tell you that this Moran is not recorded in our register as having done any weddings.

    I also spoke with the other priest in the photo (who is recorded in the records) and he has no recollection of him

    Sorry for the dead end

    On Oct 13, 2015, at 1:05 PM, [Obscurus] wrote:

    > Hello again, Father:
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    > Let me try to give bullet points on what he has claimed:
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    >     Ordained in 1974 for the Ukrainian Eparchy in Canada
    >     Made an archimandrite in 1975
    >     Consecrated in 1976 by none other than Cardinal Slipyj in secret to go to Russia; Ambrose Moran has also claimed he was made successor to Slipyj (that is a serious claim) so he that would make him a Metropolitan Archbishop according to Ambrose' logic
    >     Somehow was given a "mission" to help Latin-rite Catholics
    >     Trained by Russian Jesuits to be a "spy"
    >     Knew Richard Nixon and other high officials
    >     Some connection with the Pentagon
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    > Those are simply a few of his claims. Suddenly he pops up out of nowhere. Yet doing some online research, somehow he has been connected with various Orthodox churches in the United States. Given everything, it is very odd. If you want you could listen to a video from Ambrose himself which goes into some of these things.
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    > There is something seriously wrong here.
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    > [Obscurus]
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    > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net> wrote:
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    >     I have . All it is is photos?  What claims is it making? What case is it trying to prove?
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    >     Do you think he is not really a Ukrainian bishop? Or is he a "clergy for hire"?
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    >     On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:05 PM, [Obscurus] wrote:
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    >>     I am assuming you have looked at this website: https://ambrosemoran.wordpress.com/
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    >>     On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:05 PM, [Obscurus] <[Obscurus]> wrote:
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    >>         Hello Father,
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    >>         I am sorry if this email came out of the blue. It is part of research I am trying to do. I have sent emails to other groups trying to get information about him.
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    >>         I have no relation to the Moran or anyone in the photos. I am simply concerned as a Catholic (I am married and have three children in Ontario) that this man might be causing harm if he has been making what I think are amazing and hardly credible claims. He has mentioned that he is the successor to Cardinal Slipyj (or something similar to that).
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    >>         Really my only interest is getting to the truth of the matter.
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    >>         Thank you Father for any help in this matter. Obviously, you have the right not to share any info but I think if someone makes the claims that Moran has made then it should be easily verifiable.
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    >>         In Christ,
    >>         [Obscurus]
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    >>         On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Tom Coogan <coogant@optonline.net> wrote:
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    >>             Mr [Obscurus]
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    >>             Could you please advise me as to who you are in relation to the wedding photoed and why you are interested in this Moran?
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    >>             Fr Tom Coogan
    >>             St Patrick
    >>             Bay Shore
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    « Reply #212 on: October 14, 2015, 02:20:40 PM »
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  • How does one explain any of this?

    He shows up officiating at a wedding in a Roman Catholic church in 1986 and there are no records of him in the registry. How does that happen? Seriously, this is perplexing.


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    « Reply #213 on: October 14, 2015, 02:29:33 PM »
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  • The email I sent refers to pictures of Ambrose officiating at a wedding in St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY in case people were wondering.

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    « Reply #214 on: October 14, 2015, 02:32:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    The email I sent refers to pictures of Ambrose officiating at a wedding in St. Patrick's church in Bay Shore, NY in case people were wondering.

    Really. That is strange for me because I was baptized by a priest from that same Church. I wasn't baptized in St. Patrick's church though. I was baptized in Our Lady Star of the Sea Church which is a small chapel on Fire Island served by the priests from St. Patrick's.
    R.I.P.
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    « Reply #215 on: October 14, 2015, 02:42:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
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    I got another email and the priest stated that Ambrose actually didn't officiate but was only present.


    So he got all dressed up, even though he was just attending the wedding, and used it to suggest years later than he was the officiant at the wedding?



    I have no idea. He certainly gives the impression on the website although not explicitly saying so.


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    « Reply #216 on: October 14, 2015, 02:59:44 PM »
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  • Between the confirmation that he wasn't at the Bay Shore wedding "officially" and the Prince Alexis appearances, we've eliminated almost all of his Timeline VII photos. I suspect the last one has something to do with Prince Alexis' funeral as he died in 1995. That pushes his record of "official" appearances back to the mid-80s.

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    « Reply #217 on: October 14, 2015, 03:20:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    How does one explain any of this?

    He shows up officiating at a wedding in a Roman Catholic church in 1986 and there are no records of him in the registry. How does that happen? Seriously, this is perplexing.



    Look closely at the picture again.  He is standing off to the side while a priest can be seen officiating the ceremony.  I admit, Ambrose is not very far off to the side but it is clear that he is not officiating.  So that explains why he isn't in the register.  It also explains how he got away with not being required to prove his legitimacy.

    I think it is safe to say that Ambrose is not even a priest.  He is 100% insane-former-janitor-con-man.


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    « Reply #218 on: October 14, 2015, 03:28:12 PM »
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  • That church is a NO church.  Obviously.  So why is a Ukrainian Catholic poo-bah involved in the wedding at all?  It's a NO church and the couple are being married by a NO priest.  The con man must have convinced everyone that he would give the couple some kind of Ukrainian blessing or something.  It is non-essential.  Someone who knows about Ukrainian Catholic customs might know better if this is consistent with UC Church customs or if it is something that the con-man cooked up on his own.

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    « Reply #219 on: October 14, 2015, 03:39:31 PM »
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  • if the wife or husband were of different rites usually the clergy of the other rite will be present. what is weird however is if Moran is Ukrainian and was to "give a blessing" he would have crowned the couple (which is a central part of an eastern wedding).





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    « Reply #220 on: October 14, 2015, 03:40:49 PM »
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    After the Amen, the Priest, taking up the Crowns, crowns first the Bridegroom, saying:

    The servant of God (Name) is crowned for the servant of God, (Name), in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (Thrice)

    And he crowns the Bride, saying:

    The servant of God (Name) is crowned for the servant of God (Name), in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. (Thrice)

    The Priest takes the Crown of the Groom in his right hand, and the Crown of the Bride in his left, and places them on their heads while he intones:

    O Lord, our God, crown them with glory and honor.
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا


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    « Reply #221 on: October 14, 2015, 03:43:11 PM »
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  • this is more proof of what a fraud he is.
     From a Melkite website
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    The priest crowns the couple as a sign of their union. St. John Chrysostom says that the crowns symbolize the victory of Christ over sin, death and evil. The couple, as baptized Christians, lawfully joined in a sacramental marriage share in this victory. They have overcome the lusts of the world, which seek to separate the soul from the body and love from sex, and are united together in the love of God and each other. They are now joined as God intended man and woman to be joined together; giving themselves totally and freely to the other. The crowns also symbolize the crown of martyrdom or witnessing to Christ for the couple incarnates the love of Christ for the Church. They also represent the royal authority of the children of God. After the crowning the clergy and assembly sing together the coronation hymn (Psalm 8:6 & 7): Crown them O Lord our God with glory and honor and grant them dominion over the works of your hands. This is a prayer and wish for the newly weds from all present.
    قامت مريم، ترتيل وفاء جحا و سلام جحا

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    « Reply #222 on: October 14, 2015, 03:48:35 PM »
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  • he "preformed" this wedding and again no crowning

     


    vs. this:

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    « Reply #223 on: October 14, 2015, 04:17:40 PM »
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  • This guy might only have a minister's license he bought from the back of Rolling Stone magazine.

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    « Reply #224 on: October 14, 2015, 07:49:20 PM »
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    Quote from: Matthew
    Quote from: obscurus
    I got another email and the priest stated that Ambrose actually didn't officiate but was only present.

    So he got all dressed up, even though he was just attending the wedding, and used it to suggest years later [that] he was the officiant at the wedding?


    It would be great to get a definitive answer to this question, some day.

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