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Offline Centroamerica

Lefebvre-Thuc line
« on: March 06, 2018, 10:34:05 PM »

This popped into my feed somehow. Familiar with the subject and interested to hear the opinion expressed, I have to say that those guys were fair and balanced. They've been known to go out in left field a time or two (or ten). I think they even subscribe to the Siri theory and offer compelling evidence that something is there to uncover, but here they really just left it plainly out there and offer a few interesting facts for those that are not familiar with the case raised against the validity of Lefebvre or Thuc line bishops. Both valid- end of story. No positive doubt ever existed.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Lefebvre-Thuc line
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 08:02:43 AM »
Even if Lienart was a freemason, the ordination was valid.  Lienart followed the rite of the church in conferring the ordination.
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Offline Fanny

Re: Lefebvre-Thuc line
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 09:47:25 AM »
Quote from: Centroamerica on March 06, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
This popped into my feed somehow. Familiar with the subject and interested to hear the opinion expressed, I have to say that those guys were fair and balanced. They've been known to go out in left field a time or two (or ten). I think they even subscribe to the Siri theory and offer compelling evidence that something is there to uncover, but here they really just left it plainly out there and offer a few interesting facts for those that are not familiar with the case raised against the validity of Lefebvre or Thuc line bishops. Both valid- end of story. No positive doubt ever existed.


This may help to explain it to you:
https://catholiccandle.neocities.org/faith/the-sacramental-intention-which-is-needed-for-valid-sacraments.html
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Offline monka966

Re: Lefebvre-Thuc line
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 10:30:15 AM »
OK, I know that Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information but I was able to learn the names of Abp. Lefebvre's two co-consecrators: Alfred-Jean-Félix Ancel, Jean-Baptiste Victor Fauret. So, even if Card. Liénart withed his intention, he still performed the correct form and matter and most likely one of the two co-consecrators had the  right intention. In my opinion, Apb. Lefebvre always was a true Catholic priest and a true Catholic Bishop. May his soul rest in peace.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Lefebvre-Thuc line
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 11:12:45 AM »
Quote from: monka966 on March 07, 2018, 10:30:15 AM
OK, I know that Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information but I was able to learn the names of Abp. Lefebvre's two co-consecrators: Alfred-Jean-Félix Ancel, Jean-Baptiste Victor Fauret. So, even if Card. Liénart withed his intention, he still performed the correct form and matter and most likely one of the two co-consecrators had the  right intention. In my opinion, Apb. Lefebvre always was a true Catholic priest and a true Catholic Bishop. May his soul rest in peace.

Yes, but Lienart ordained +Lefebvre to the priesthood on his own, and if +Lefebvre wasn't a valid priest, it's doubtful that he could be validly consecrated a bishop.

Nevertheless, there's no doubt whatsoever about his validity.
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