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Fr. Pfluger Responds Regarding Flavigny Conference Notes
« on: March 13, 2014, 09:36:18 PM »
Dear Fr. Pfluger-
Notes purporting to have been taken by one of the attendees from your
recent conferences to the Brothers at Flavigny in December are being
translated and published on the internet in Spanish, English, and French
(and possibly other languages).
In justice to you, I would like to ask whether the English-language translation copied below [via The Recusant] substantially reflects your words at these conferences (note that, at the time of this email, the final conference has not yet been translated into English; I believe it is already translated into at least Spanish).  
If not, could you offer corrections where required, in order that the
accuracy of your thoughts can be known?
In Caritas,
Sean Johnson
USA
[1-28-14]

Dear Mr. Johnson,
Thank you for your message.
This is a miserable and also common attack of the Resistance.
These notes doesn't reflect in no manner what I have said.
Forget it, it is a poster against Mgr. Fellay
God bless you
Do you understand German?
Fr. Niklaus Pfluger
[2-6-14]

Commentary:
 
1) I post this response in justice to Fr. Pfluger, since I was responsible for having originally Google translated the conferences into English from the Non Possumus website;
 
2) It was irresponsible of me to have posted a sloppy translation in such grave matters in the first place;
 
3) Even though The Recusant and Ancien Regime later supplied an accurate translation, I still ought to have verified the contents before re-publishing them;
 
4) The fact that Fr. Pfluger denies the content contained in the notes of the conferences forces that conclusion;
 
5) Foreseeably, it will be argued by some that Fr. Pfluger is lieing;
 
6) Leaving aside the rashness and gravity of making such a public allegation, it should be noted that only the brothers (and others in attendance, if any) are in a position to make that grave allegation;
 
7) And though these notes purport to be precisely such an account by an attending brother, the fact that the notes were published/divulged by him anonymously harms the credibility of them;
 
8) It will be countered that, "the brother had to publish them anonymously, otherwise he would be retaliated against."
 
9) My response to that is, "Man up:"  If he was afraid of suffering the consequences of his posts, he ought not be making the information available.
 
10) I post in my own name, and am willing to endure the artillery drawn (from both sides, I might add), because the truth is worth telling, and worth suffering for, if it comes to that.
 
11) It is equally foreseeable that some persons, endowed with limited intellectual horsepower, will construe these words as defending Fr. Pfluger (just as they said I was defending Bishop Fellay when I noted his Doctrinal Declaration was not technically heretical), when in reality I am simply posting his response as an act of justice to him, and giving him the benefit of the doubt, as required by moral theology;
 
12) Admittedly, it would have been helpful had Fr. Pfluger offered some guidance as to where precisely his thoughts and words have been misrepresented;
 
13) But as his English is very limited, perhaps this is why he asked me if I understood German?  And since I do not, perhaps this is why he did not offer a point by point rebuttal?
 
14) In any case, unless one of the Brothers wants to come forward to challenge the veracity of Fr. Pfluger's denial, there is nobody in a position to call into question the latter's honesty

Fr. Pfluger Responds Regarding Flavigny Conference Notes
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2014, 09:53:26 PM »
As truth is at stake... don't wrongly accuse Fr. Pfluger of being an honest man.


Fr. Pfluger Responds Regarding Flavigny Conference Notes
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2014, 10:43:36 PM »
+AMDG+
THURSDAY OF THE FIRST WEEK IN LENT 2014 A.D.

As a mother of 10, in running my household, I take seriously the salvation of my children's souls as these were the one's entrusted to me by God.  
I take seriously my role as a wife, as my husband's soul is also entrusted to me through the Sacrament of Marriage.  
In that respect, when I speak on matters pertaining to the Faith, lives of the Saints, readings from the Missal anything that has to do with the salvation of their souls, I make sure I speak clearly and as much as possible without ambiguity.  
Where what I would say could be misconstrued and be detrimental to their spiritual life.  
And it has happened, where what I have said was misunderstood.  
But then I was quick to come to them and clarify and correct.

The fact that Fr. Pfluger's statements are not being corrected in a definitive manner, at the detriment of the salvation of souls, is just like the Holy Father when he makes statements that are irreconcilable with the Catholic Faith.
Wouldn't one who is ordained by God to make sure these souls make it to Heaven want to ascertain that his words would not be misunderstood?  
And possibly cause a loss of Faith?

Maybe hiring a full time translator instead of a marketing firm to get their message across correctly would be a wiser investment of the funds donated by many struggling Catholics thinking their money is going to propagate the Faith, not "selling" their "products."

Fr. Pfluger Responds Regarding Flavigny Conference Notes
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 02:03:29 AM »
Quote from: holysoulsacademy
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The fact that Fr. Pfluger's statements are not being corrected in a definitive manner, at the detriment of the salvation of souls, is just like the Holy Father when he makes statements that are irreconcilable with the Catholic Faith.
Wouldn't one who is ordained by God to make sure these souls make it to Heaven want to ascertain that his words would not be misunderstood?  
And possibly cause a loss of Faith?

Maybe hiring a full time translator instead of a marketing firm to get their message across correctly would be a wiser investment of the funds donated by many struggling Catholics thinking their money is going to propagate the Faith, not "selling" their "products."


 :dancing-banana:
I, too, would very much like to read accurate English translations of sspx materials. While I can stumble through German and know enough French to park in Quebec without getting ticketed or towed, I hardly have time to learn the languages well enough to properly read the originals.  If everything the Resistance is saying is wrong,  accurate translations will reveal folly for what it is.  Thus far, I see no effort in this direction by SSPX headquarters, only continued (ineffective) damage control "after-the-fact," and more commercial marketing.  Dare I propose that most of us care more about finding truth in SSPX publications than glossy covers of muted colours and curved lines of contour?  No reason you can't have both, but something is amiss when the Faith is marketed as a Fluffernutter sandwich on Wonder Bread!  I can get that at my local novus ordo!

Fr. Pfluger Responds Regarding Flavigny Conference Notes
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 05:13:32 AM »
Dear Sean,
   We are sad for you. You, correctly lets say, took the effort
to allow Father the opportunity to speak openly and forthrightly
to very concerned Catholics all across the world; to tell them in plain
english just exactly what did he say to the brothers. This is an
unbelieveable podium you offered him; the guy who was one of the prime
movers behind the expulsion of Bp. Williamson; one of the major supporters
of Fellay's sneaky dealings with Rome; one of the leading architect's of
Fellay's pogram of cleansing the SSPX of traditionalists. And this great opportunity
you hand him to speak honestly and openly to SSPX faithful, you allow him to simply
dismiss saying: "forget it--it is a manager Fellay detractor!"

We are sorry, Sean-- but you have drunk the koolaid also. It has nothing at all to do
With whether Father speaks german or english well; there are plenty of people who could
translate accurately anything he were to say in almost any language. We just so happen to have
a bishop who speaks and reads Greman, English, French and several other languages
fluently. For a Senior manager of a forty five year old corporation with operations
in over forty countries to hide behind his "german" is despicable-- and for you to let
him get away with it is revealing.

Unfortunately, if you were "manning up," as you claim, you would have
returned the response to Father with the request: " thank you for your response,
Father; however I am not a Mgr Fellay detractor; please provide me with
your talk and I will have it faithfully translated into english, for our very interested SSPX
Faithful to know what important things you believe." Instead,
Sean, you attack the brother who dared to release the information.Well, Sean, I have a little
Information for you: do you have any idea why Benedict released his former secretary from prison? I mean, come on! He was caught and convicted dead to rights of releasing tons of the
Secret docuмents of Benedict's dirty dealings! And Benedict releases him from prison???
Maybe, Sean-- just maybe, Benedict knows he's going to die-- and to die with the massive
Injustice of persecuting whistle-blowers on his head is one thing he wanted to rectify.

Here-- in this case, you had the golden opportunity to clear up so called "rumours"
or to clear the "brothers" name, or to clear Fathers fast-dwindling reputation-- and you chose to
Do nothing, again, but instead , adopt the attitude of SSPX managers and blame the messenger.

Maybe you'll get your head out of the sand before you join Bergoglio in the great new religion of man-- but it doesn't look too promising. Maybe at least you'll realize it is dishonest to be handing yourself off as a traditionalist and posting on sites like Cath Info.Fellay has plenty of organs you can write for-- you don't
 need to be deceiving those looking for the truth. At one time you appeared solid; however. Something or someone has sucked you in and you now spread their false party line.