All in good time...

Quote from: ultrarigorist

Where do I start..
1. You didn't see me malign her, I recalled certain uncharitable behavior on her part, but spared the gory details. You sort of allude to such behavior yourself.
2. Absolute proof. YOU HAVE NOT 1 IOTA OF KNOWLEDGE RELATIVE TO MINE! You falsely assumed I have no proof.
(There is actually proof a-plenty in this thread alone, if you wanted to truly discern)
3. Nobody EVER "tormented" her. Such claims were gratuitous on her part (or yours, as the case might be). People did frequently call out her inconsistencies and shameful deportment. Apparently that equates to "torment".
4. The people "who track her from place to place" are, put simply and succinctly, her chicks come home to roost. There are a lot of long memories out there.
5. I know for a FACT that whatever she thinks/claims to be messages from Our Lady are not. To falsely claim they are is an extremely grave matter, and no good will EVER come from their promulgation. This is why myself and others are concerned. There is absolutely nothing personal about this whatsoever. (I don't presume to speak for everyone though)
6. Anyone who does not believe these "messages" and who also is disrespectful of +W (assuming such exist) would not be calling out DMA now, they would simply sit back and laugh.

Unless you are her priest, and she admitted it was all a lie in the confessional, I don't see how you could have absolute proof one way or the other. Is that it? Are you her priest? Otherwise, produce this irrefutable proof for us all. As the saying goes "put-up-or shut-up"

* but please do not take this as an invitation to detraction or calumny, slander, or petty mean-ness.

Oh, please!  Using your ridiculous argument, unless a judge or jury hears someone confess to a crime, that criminal cannot be convicted.  Surely you realize that the majority of those in prison always maintain their innocence, and have not confessed.  The criteria to convict a criminal is simply "beyond a reasonable doubt", not ABSOLUTE proof through a confession.  (Which by the way, still would not be ABSOLUTE proof, as false confessions happen.)

There's such a thing as moral certitude, and that's all we needed to arrive at to make a good judgment on this false visionary.  

Oh, please!  Using your ridiculous argument, unless a judge or jury hears someone confess to a crime, that criminal cannot be convicted.  Surely you realize that the majority of those in prison always maintain their innocence, and have not confessed.  The criteria to convict a criminal is simply "beyond a reasonable doubt", not ABSOLUTE proof through a confession.  (Which by the way, still would not be ABSOLUTE proof, as false confessions happen.)

There's such a thing as moral certitude, and that's all we needed to arrive at to make a good judgment on this false visionary.  

And I guess *you* are that moral authority? No doubt you are more than righteously qualified for the purpose, or so you believe. Judge, Jury- Executioner too? I see you already have a torch and a pyre ready...

The message itself is short, clear and without drama.

If it was short and clear, it wouldn't take a series of Eleison Comments to get it all out.   :reading:

It's the Holy Catholic Faith that needs defending, not a so-called "seer" and her messages.

Requesting the prayer of the Rosary, is not defending the Holy Catholic Faith?

Quote from: magdalena

It's the Holy Catholic Faith that needs defending, not a so-called "seer" and her messages.

Requesting the prayer of the Rosary, is not defending the Holy Catholic Faith?

Praying the Holy Rosary is a must for every Catholic.  It doesn't take a seer for us to know that.  Though absolutely necessary, defending the Faith involves more than prayer.  It involves speaking out against the errors of Vatican II and all the horrors in its aftermath by those who should be our shepherds, and the willingness to shed our blood if necessary so that it not be degraded.