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ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
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  • CURRENT ISSUE INSIDE STORY – I October 18, 2014

    Number CCCLXXIX (379)


    If Mary tells us how to save the Church,

    All other means will leave us in the lurch.



    After 1917 it was made clear to the world by Our Lady of Fatima that the salvation of Church and world (“a period of peace”) depended upon two things: not only upon the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart by the Pope with all the bishops of the world, but also upon Catholics making reparation to her Heart by receiving Confession and Communion and by meditating for 15 minutes and praying a rosary on each first Saturday of the month. Therefore let no Catholic think that there is nothing they can do to help Church and world out of their present appalling crisis. Every single Catholic responding to her second request will help the Pope to respond to her first request.



    But this response has not yet been sufficient. For instance in the 1930’s, Pope Pius XI was well aware of Our Lady’s first request, but he never performed the Consecration of Russia. Why not? According to Brother Michael of the Holy Trinity in the second of his excellent three volumes on The Whole Truth About Fatima, it was because Pius XI was engaged at that time in diplomatic contacts with the Russian authorities in Moscow, and he thought that his own diplomacy was a better way of dealing with Communists than Our Lady’s Consecration. He preferred the human to the divine way of dealing with the problem, and so of course the problem remained unsolved. The world plunged into World War II, and the Church was broken from within by Vatican II.



    Now in the 2010’s a parallel story has been coming to light of Our Lady appealing through a messenger to Bishop Fellay for the Society of St Pius X to organize a Rosary Crusade to pray for the Consecration of Russia to take place. If this story is true (as I believe it is, and some other priests also believe), it is worth telling in a few issues of these Comments, not to discredit Bishop Fellay (whose preference for human means is as understandable as that of Pius XI – God is their judge), but in order to emphasize how urgent the Consecration of Russia remains, and especially the devout practice of the five first Saturdays, even nigh on 100 years later. But is the story true? In particular, how reliable is the messenger?



    I myself have met with her several times, and I believe her story has every likelihood of being true, firstly because she is a serious adult person who gives every sign of telling the truth, but mainly because what she tells is an inside story that corresponds to, and explains, a large number of public facts and well-known events on the outside, so to speak. As to the messenger, readers are entitled to distrust my personal judgment, but as to the perfect correspondence between inside story and outside facts, readers can judge for themselves.



    The story begins on Good Shepherd Sunday of 2004, when the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the messenger and gave her a message to be passed on to the Bishop of the Society of St Pius X. In it she asked for the SSPX to lead the faithful in a Rosary Crusade for the Consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart, that same Consecration that Heaven has been asking for since the 1920’s. The understanding in the 2000’s was that if this were done as she asked, it would at last obtain, through her, the graces to bring about the much needed Consecration.



    In June of 2006 the messenger gave the message in person to Bishop Fellay. He discussed it with her, but did not yet know that it was in fact a directive from the Mother of God. And so on his way back to Switzerland he took a first important decision. As Americans say, “Stay tuned”!



    Kyrie eleison.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2014, 02:29:16 PM »
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  • Hmmmm.
    OK, so on the face of it, Our Lady presented this "message" intending it be heeded, and obviously the more Rosaries the better. Why ever then would she settle for Bp. Fellay to promulgate it, and his few million Rosaries at best??? It's now proven beyond all shadow of doubt he'd already begun the process of subverting SSPX by 2004, a fact Our Lady was not oblivious to then (obviously) and had she chosen say, e.g., Cdl. Burke (who I understand is well disposed to praying the Rosary), there would have been far better odds of success. We can take as a given there are at least a few 10 millions of eager, true Catholics who have no access or knowledge of Tradition/SSPX, and their Rosaries have the same value.. Perhaps even more, since this is the means she provided for those who would be separated from the Sacraments.

    I might become less the sceptic over the next few EC's, IF, and ONLY if, those EC's reveal EACH and EVERY knowable detail regarding message and messenger. Just like Fatima; no "secret seer" games.


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2014, 02:48:56 PM »
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  • "Appararition-ism" has always been a good way to explain what the apparent events cannot.

    Along with Garabandal why is Bishop Williamson always falling for false apparitions ? Why is not Public Revelation sufficient for him ?

    I fear the good he does in many other things is about to be severely undermined with this nonsense.

    Anybody who subscribed to Ignis Ardens or Archbishop Lefebvre forum will be well-versed in "Dawn-Marie-isms" by now.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2014, 02:56:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    I REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED ON A PREVIOUS THREAD ON THIS FORUM.  BUT NOT FROM BISHOP WILLIAMSON.

    Bp. Williamson seems to be prone to believe in private revelations.  Just remember Father Constant Louis Marie Pel (EC 376), Akita and Maria Valtorta…

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 03:44:16 PM »
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  • By that logic, why does Our Lady need Rosaries at all?  By + Burke?  +Fellay?  +Ratzinger?  

    The reason, perhaps, that she chose a bishop from the SSPX was to use tradition as the means to her end.  Or maybe, just maybe, she got tired of waiting 80+ years for a Novus Ordo prelate that she thought a traditional bishop might actually get the job done?  Who are we to question the mother of God?


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2014, 04:19:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ekim
    By that logic, why does Our Lady need Rosaries at all?  By + Burke?  +Fellay?  +Ratzinger?  

    The reason, perhaps, that she chose a bishop from the SSPX was to use tradition as the means to her end.  Or maybe, just maybe, she got tired of waiting 80+ years for a Novus Ordo prelate that she thought a traditional bishop might actually get the job done?  Who are we to question the mother of God?

    To question the Mother of God?…

    Did She really give such messages?  How could we know so?  What else has She reveled?

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2014, 04:48:05 PM »
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  • Good questions!

    I always thought that the timing of+Fellay's Rosary Crusade for the consecration was oddly timed....seemed to come out of no where.

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 07:41:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lepanto Again
    Quote from: Adolphus
    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    I REMEMBER THAT THIS WAS DISCUSSED ON A PREVIOUS THREAD ON THIS FORUM.  BUT NOT FROM BISHOP WILLIAMSON.

    Bp. Williamson seems to be prone to believe in private revelations.  Just remember Father Constant Louis Marie Pel (EC 376), Akita and Maria Valtorta…


       Williamson, we believe, has blown his cover many months ago. At least in our perception: others could see it years ago.


    Please Explain!


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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2014, 08:10:32 PM »
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  • Countless numbers of Catholics used private revelations as beacons of hope only to have that hope crushed when things never materialized.  Heck, hard to wave the Fatima flag when after almost a hundred years folks are still making excuses why things have occurred as they have (and are).  Hard to explain why 8 popes and thousands of bishops and cardinals have ignored Our Lady's request. Seems like +Williamson is not the only one who has made a few errors regarding private revelations.  That doesn't mean he is not a good bishop.

    Which reminds me, there are plenty of internet accounts of St. Padre Pio telling pilgrims to go to Garabandal.  Perhaps St. Padre Pio isn't all we thought he was cracked up to be (sarcasm).

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2014, 08:41:02 PM »
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  • Bravo, Cantatedomino!!!   The CI software prevented me from giving you "thumbs up".  

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2014, 08:50:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Domitilla
    Bravo, Cantatedomino!!!   The CI software prevented me from giving you "thumbs up".  


    *Hate-filled slander of a Catholic bishop censored*

    Cantatedomino, you need to look inwards at your spiritual life and the state of your soul. What motivates you to such black hatred of Bishop Williamson?

    Say what you will of +Williamson and/or his faults, but he is certainly not as black as you paint him. What did he do to you? If he didn't kill your mother in cold blood, consider me baffled by your hatred!

    You clearly hate him, as you should hate NO man, much less a man with the priestly character (and the fullness of the priesthood, no less) who has suffered and worked so hard for the Church as long as +W has.



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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2014, 09:01:31 PM »
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  • They deleted my post!!!!!

    Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2014, 09:05:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: cantatedomino
    They deleted my post!!!!!

    Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    You're right.

    1. There's no "they" -- just me. It's a monarchy, not an oligarchy or a committee.

    2. As a corollary, if you ever see red ink in a post, you can automatically assume it's me.

    I won't have hatred spewed at any consecrated man of God on my forum. This is a Traditional Catholic forum. Hating bishops isn't Catholic. To allow it, I'd be approving of it, and I'd have to answer at MY judgment and it might cost me my salvation as well.

    I don't care what the Novus Ordo has done to Charity's good name, but the fact remains that we are under an obligation to be charitable to our fellow men, but especially those who bear the sacred character of the Priesthood.
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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #13 on: October 19, 2014, 09:09:08 PM »
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  • Sorry to see you go, but you need to go calm down somewhere for a while.

    Might I suggest an Ignatian retreat to get your spiritual house in order?

    P.S. No, you're wrong about "I've seen worse stuff against +Fellay". No one can show me a single *existing* post that is slanderous, uncharitable, etc. towards a Bishop.

    Keeping in mind, of course, that criticizing a bishop's actions does NOT count as uncharitable!

    But that is not what you were doing. You crossed the line. You called +W a bunch of slanderous, foul names.

    May ALL good Catholics forever steer clear of imitating you in your hatred for a consecrated man of God.

    Because in your hatred of +Williamson you share company with none other than the devils in hell.
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    ELEISON 379 - OCTOBER 18, 2014
    « Reply #14 on: October 19, 2014, 09:26:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ekim
    Countless numbers of Catholics used private revelations as beacons of hope only to have that hope crushed when things never materialized.  Heck, hard to wave the Fatima flag when after almost a hundred years folks are still making excuses why things have occurred as they have (and are).  Hard to explain why 8 popes and thousands of bishops and cardinals have ignored Our Lady's request. Seems like +Williamson is not the only one who has made a few errors regarding private revelations.  That doesn't mean he is not a good bishop.

    Which reminds me, there are plenty of internet accounts of St. Padre Pio telling pilgrims to go to Garabandal.  Perhaps St. Padre Pio isn't all we thought he was cracked up to be (sarcasm).


    All of that was hearsay. All of it.
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