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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2019, 01:40:30 PM »
Honestly, I have more respect for an FSSPer these days than a neo-SSPXer.

At least they'e consistent.  

SSPX seems to be in a state of self-contradiction that demands resolution.

I'm still awaiting an explanation from XavierSem about why SSPX is better than FSSP, given his theological positions.  I'm honestly curious about what he might have to say.

Offline Meg

Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2019, 02:03:49 PM »
I used to hope that the SSPX would be part of the Restoration as well. In fact, +Lefebvre did play a part -- he did consecrate +Williamson.
However, the SSPX is sinking lower and lower, and eventually all the "SSPX good" or fruits will be found OUTSIDE the SSPX, by those who chose God over the World and had to leave earlier or later. Eventually, those inside the SSPX will be all compromised/paralyzed/sold out/useless or even wicked -- exactly like the situation in the Conciliar Church today.

Well, I still think there's hope for the SSPX - a very small hope. And I think that Bp. Williamson has some hope too, but he of course is practical and realistic. What you write above is realistic too. The more the SSPX strives to reconcile with the conciliar church, the more they will compromise, like the FSSP and other former Ecclesia Dei communities. It's not that the FSSP don't have good intentions, but they can't risk being fully traditional when they are beholden to the diocesan authority.

The SSPX only barely resists and confronts the errors of Modernism in the conciliar church. When +ABL was alive, he would point out the errors clearly.  

I asked Xavier Sem if he believes that the SSPX will save the Church. I hope he will answer. Because the SSPX can't save anything if it does not confront error. St. Athanasius was exiled many times (mainly by Emperors, I think) because he would not stop pointing out the errors of the Arians. He didn't back down from confronting error like the three remaining SSPX bishops and Fr. Pagliarani have done.

I also recall that Bp. Fellay clearly stated two years ago that he thought that the SSPX would save the Church. That is the same sentiment he held when he wanted to impose the strange theology of that supposed seer Madame Rossinierre/Cornaz on the entire SSPX; that is, until the other three bishops intervened (that was in the 1990's, if I recall correctly). I don't believe that Bp. Fellay has changed his views on the matter.

I mistakenly thought that Bp. Huonder might really just be retiring with the SSPX. Now it's obvious that it was the intention all along that he, a Novus Ordo bishop, would consecrate new bishops for the SSPX. 


Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2019, 02:06:41 PM »
This is bad, in my opinion. Will this man be conditionally ordained? conditionally consecrated bishop? He is a conservative Conciliarist heretic. Fine. Maybe he'll convert and receive the Sacraments he missed. ;) And pigs will fly.
As far as I can see, these bishops would be validly consecrated (assuming priest number two is a true priest). It is, however, a serious use of ecuмenism to permit a man with no Holy Orders and who is a Modernist heretic to be a co-consecrator. Ecuмenism is unacceptably heretical. Throw Huonder off the altar. 
The biggest problem is that this implicates Fr. Pagliarani, who necessarily is allowing it (unless a coup has occurred).



Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2019, 02:37:22 PM »

The biggest problem is that this implicates Fr. Pagliarani, who necessarily is allowing it (unless a coup has occurred).

Indeed. It will be proof that nothing has changed in the "new" regime -- same goals, same Conciliar Rome trajectory as the previous regime under +Fellay.

Those who had high hopes that Fr. Pagliarani would be the savior of the SSPX will have their hopes dashed eventually. Sorry to sound negative, but those hopes just aren't founded in reality to begin with.

Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2019, 08:55:27 PM »
Problem is, these young kids (XavierSam etc...)know NOTHING about the TRUE fight for tradition or how the SSPX originally acted, preached, and defended the faith.  70’s to 90’s, when you met an SSPX Priest, you met a WARRIOR...

These priest fought bare knuckled against Modernists and Modernism.  Our priest would hold Eucharistic Rosary processions to the steps of the local NO church and then have Benediction on the church steps in reparation for the many sins and blasphemy’s committed against Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament by Communion in the hand, unconsecrated hands of laypersons handing out Holy Communion and slavenly dressed Mass attendance.

Rosary rally’s infront of the homes of NO “Bishops” after they scandalized the Faithful by promoting any number of blasphemous or heretical statements.

These young kids have no idea how SSPX Priests use to be leaders, warriors, true Church Militants formed by H.E. + Williamson.  They only know the passive, kind gentleman formed by Fr. Le Ruiz.  The cookie cutter yes men who never seem to defend much of anything.

Mary, Help of Christians...Pray for us! I