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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 09:25:38 AM »
And the SSPX is the 800 lb gorilla of Tradition. That is to say, if you took out the SSPX you'd take out most of Tradition. I think the SSPX is 4X larger (at least) than all the other small groups, sedevacantists, and independent chapels put together.

Yes, it's by far the most cohesive organization.  If you take out the SSPX, the remainder begins to look much like how the Thuc episcopal lines have proliferated, with a significant amount of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2019, 09:29:37 AM »
Yes, it's by far the most cohesive organization.  If you take out the SSPX, the remainder begins to look much like how the Thuc episcopal lines have proliferated, with a significant amount of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.


Yes, but that's why I support the Resistance -- it's basically the old SSPX, albeit in the 1970's (read: SMALL with a bit more variety of opinions).

With the Resistance you know what you're getting (SSPX quality formation, completely valid ordination from a Bishop consecrated the old Rite, etc.)

Bishop Faure's seminary is going to produce priests as good as the old school SSPX. With the traditional Dominicans helping with the formation, I really look forward to the priests who will come out of that seminary!

I've attended several Masses with Fr. Reginald Brocard, OP and let me tell you -- the Dominicans are awesome when it comes to theology. Having them on our side is all I need to know that the Resistance is in-the-right.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2019, 09:31:37 AM »
No Vatican approved trad priest ordination has ever been performed by an old consecration rite bishop, all the consecrating bishops were consecrated by the new formula. In all of those years, since 1988, there were plenty of old formula bishops around to do the ordinations, yet not a one was used. That was always a clear sign to me that it was planned that way. Now, the new SSPX bishops are to be ordained by a new rite bishop too?

I think this was being done on purpose too.  So, for instance, most of the Novus Ordo Mass translations likely invalidated the consecration with the "for all" translation (as appeared in the vast majority of vernacular versions).  Then a couple years ago they finally brought back the "for many".  Why, suddenly?  Well, I theorize that it's because by that time very very few priests remained active who had been ordained in the Old Rite.  So now that the Holy Orders has been invalidated, they stopped caring about the actual Rite of Mass anymore.

See, there are two philosphies regarding the origins of this crisis.  One is that it just developed organically due to a gradual loss of faith in the hierarchy.  Another is that it was a planned demolition put deliberately into play by the Church's enemies.  While it's certainly a combination of the two, I believe it to be primarily the latter, and I believe that they are still in control and still actively guiding their demolition.  I don't believe in the "auto-demolition" thesis.  With Our Lord, I say, "an enemy hath done this."  This is key, because, if you believe the latter, as I do, there can be NO QUESTION of any kind of unification talks until these enemies have been uprooted and eliminated.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2019, 09:34:19 AM »
Yes, but that's why I support the Resistance -- it's basically the old SSPX, albeit in the 1970's (read: SMALL with a bit more variety of opinions).

With the Resistance you know what you're getting (SSPX quality formation, completely valid ordination from a Bishop consecrated the old Rite, etc.)

Bishop Faure's seminary is going to produce priests as good as the old school SSPX. With the traditional Dominicans helping with the formation, I really look forward to the priests who will come out of that seminary!

I've attended several Masses with Fr. Reginald Brocard, OP and let me tell you -- the Dominicans are awesome when it comes to theology. Having them on our side is all I need to know that the Resistance is in-the-right.

Agreed.  I suspect that Bishop Faure's seminary will become the new Econe.

Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2019, 09:37:05 AM »
Yes, but that's why I support the Resistance -- it's basically the old SSPX, albeit in the 1970's (read: SMALL with a bit more variety of opinions).

With the Resistance you know what you're getting (SSPX quality formation, completely valid ordination from a Bishop consecrated the old Rite, etc.)

Bishop Faure's seminary is going to produce priests as good as the old school SSPX. With the traditional Dominicans helping with the formation, I really look forward to the priests who will come out of that seminary!

I've attended several Masses with Fr. Reginald Brocard, OP and let me tell you -- the Dominicans are awesome when it comes to theology. Having them on our side is all I need to know that the Resistance is in-the-right.
I"m curious:  Since the SSPX changed their tune on the NREC in 2005, wasn't this before the Resistance broke away?  It is my understanding that the Resistance only consecrates and ordains in the Old Rite....so when/why did the Resistance go back to not believing the NREC is valid?