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Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2019, 12:00:27 PM »
Rhetorical question:

Does anyone imagine the Vatican would (or could) approve episcopal consecrations for communities not in "full communion" with Rome?

If not, and they are rendering their tacit approval of these consecrations, then it follows that...
Anyone awake and aware will understand the full import of this. This is a very important point. The old school SSPX, called schismatic and disobedient both in and out of season, would NEVER have received any kind of approval (tacit or otherwise) from Rome for the consecration of a new bishop.
We are entering new territory -- the territory seen over the hill by the Resistance for the past 7 years.

Did I mention the new thread cataloging the changes and contradictions that have taken place in the SSPX?
And did I mention that each of the changes is docuмented, backed up with proof?
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/catalog-of-compromise-change-and-contradiction-in-the-sspx/

Offline X

Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2019, 12:18:04 PM »
Please, dear God, let this open some eyes!


Offline Matthew

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2019, 12:48:17 PM »

Look who met with Francis today. Top headline. I cannot copy paste it.

https://secretummeummihi.blogspot.com/
Obispo de Chur, Suiza, en audiencia con Francisco



Esta es una información de Kath.net, Mar-04-2019. Traducción de Secretum Meum Mihi (con algunas adaptaciones).
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Ciudad del Vaticano (kath.net/KAP) El papa Francisco recibió el Lunes en audiencia privada al obispo Vitus Huonder de Chur. Los detalles de la conversación no fueron anunciados por el Vaticano o la diócesis suiza. Vitus Huonder (76) ha sido obispo de Chur desde 2007; En Abril de 2017, el Papa había extendido su mandato por dos años. La aceptación de su renuncia se espera en breve, el 21 de Abril Huonder completará sus 77 años de vida.

Como la diócesis confirmó a fines de Enero, Huonder quiere retirarse a Wangs en el cantón de Sankt Gallen. Allí mantendrá contacto con la FSSPX para el Vaticano. La “Fraternidad de San Pío X” dirige una escuela en Wangs, el “Institut Sancta Maria”.

En Enero, el Papa Francisco disolvió la Comisión del Vaticano “Ecclesia Dei” responsable del diálogo con la Fraternidad de San Pío X e integró su tarea a la Congregación para la Doctrina de la Fe. En la disputa con la Fraternidad, solo había diferencias en la doctrina de la Iglesia, y para esto, sólo la propia Congregación era responsable, se decía en el decreto del Papa.
My translation of the first paragraph:
"Pope Francis received on Monday a private audience with Bishop Vitus Huonder de Chur. The details of the conversation were not announced by the Vatican or the Swiss diocese. Vitus Huonder (76) has been bishop of Chur since 2007; in April of 2017 the Pope extended his mandate for 2 years. The accepting of his resignation is expected soon, on the 21st of April Huonder will complete 77 years of age."

Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2019, 12:52:23 PM »
Google Translation:

Pope Francis received Monday in a private audience Bishop Vitus Huonder de Chur. The details of the conversation were not announced by the Vatican or the Swiss diocese. Vitus Huonder (ED) has been a Bishop ofchen since 2007; In April 2017, the Pope had extended his term of office for two years. Acceptance of his resignation is expected shortly, on April 21 Huonder will complete its 77 years of life.

As the diocese confirmed at the end of January, Huonder wants to retire to Wangs in the canton of St. Gallen. There he will maintain contact with the SSPX for the Vatican. The "Fraternity of Saint Pius X" runs a school in Wangs, the "Institut Sancta Maria".

In January, Pope Francis dissolved the Vatican Commission "Ecclesia Dei" responsible for dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X and integrated his task with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In the dispute with the Fraternity, there were only differences in the doctrine of the Church, and for this, only the Congregation itself was responsible, it was said in the decree of the Pope.

Re: Bp. Huonder to consecrate 2 Bishops for SSPX
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2019, 12:53:52 PM »
Matthew:
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FSSP would probably be #2, if you count them as Traditional. I don't, for good reason.



Apparently then, you still count SSPX as traditional. But you don’t count FSSP as traditional. Hmm! At this point in time, 3/5/19, what makes FSSP any less traditional than SSPX? It would seem to me that SSPX has established parity with FSSP. Both these organizations have united with Rome, one materially (virtually), based upon any reasonable examination of the evidence at hand, the other, formally,’. I see very little difference at all.
The ‘Trojan Horse,’ which +Fellay planned to wheel through the Vatican gates, has now been turned around, and is now passing through the gates of Menzingen. Bp. Huonder, an active agent of Rome’s New Order, acting with the permission and blessing of anti-pope Francis, is about to make a new SSPX bishop or two under the New Rite of Consecration. And horror of horrors, Fr. Bouchacourt, Jew-loving denier of Deicide that he is, is, apparently, going to be one of those new SSPX bishops.
Perhaps, I do not see things clearly enough. Perhaps, I need to make some necessary distinctions between FSSP and SSPX, which, owing to my intellectual shortcomings, I am incapable of doing. If you would care to put a finer point on it, Matthew, I am certainly open to listen. What, actually, in simple terms, are the major differences (now) between FSSP and SSPX?