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Offline Venantius0518

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Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
« Reply #375 on: August 21, 2020, 02:55:50 PM »
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  • Presumably Fr. Pfeiffer has valid holy oils now. After Easter 2021 he will probably use oils consecrated by himself. These will be doubtful. Now, he probably gives validly the sacrament of Extreme Unction. After Easter it will be doubtful, also for the priests associated with him.
    Now?  So what was he using before?  
    How do you know these now are valid?

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #376 on: August 21, 2020, 02:57:31 PM »
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  • Presumably Fr. Pfeiffer has valid holy oils now. After Easter 2021 he will probably use oils consecrated by himself. These will be doubtful. Now, he probably gives validly the sacrament of Extreme Unction. After Easter it will be doubtful, also for the priests associated with him.
    Now?  What was he using before?
    How do you know the ones he has now are valid?


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #377 on: August 23, 2020, 08:40:16 AM »
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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #378 on: August 26, 2020, 07:38:35 AM »
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  • I don't know what oils he has now. I just presume that they are from a valid bishop. I don't think Ambrose did a chrismal Mass for him.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #379 on: August 26, 2020, 09:04:42 AM »
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  • I don't know what oils he has now. I just presume that they are from a valid bishop. I don't think Ambrose did a chrismal Mass for him.

    Presumably Fr. Pfeiffer has valid holy oils now. After Easter 2021 he will probably use oils consecrated by himself. These will be doubtful. Now, he probably gives validly the sacrament of Extreme Unction. After Easter it will be doubtful, also for the priests associated with him.

    Your first statement, above, says " Fr. Pfeiffer has holy oils now" and your second statement, atop, say you "don't know what holy oils he has now".
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    How can you be sure the ones he has now are valid if you don't know what he has now?
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    It is unlikely he has had valid holy oils for some time unless, again, he violated canon law which demands that old oils be disposed of and new ones received yearly.  Ergo, his, Fr. Hewko's, and the priests with him have given illicit and possibly invalid sacraments.
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    Why do you "presume [the ones he has now] are from a valid bishop" when he has no bishop superior and no good relationship with ANY 100% unquestionably valid bishop?
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    William aka Ambrose Moran is not valid.
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    We must assume Fr. Pfeiffer is not a valid bishop until he proves he is.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #380 on: August 26, 2020, 09:30:20 AM »
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  • Presumably Fr. Pfeiffer has valid holy oils now. After Easter 2021 he will probably use oils consecrated by himself. These will be doubtful. Now, he probably gives validly the sacrament of Extreme Unction. After Easter it will be doubtful, also for the priests associated with him.

    I'm not sure that the matter for Extreme Unction REQUIRES properly-blessed holy oils for VALIDITY.  I think that you CAN just use oil ... especially in an emergency, which most Extreme Unction cases are.  But someone correct me if I'm wrong.  So, for instance, for Baptisms, they TYPICALLY use blessed Easter water, but any water suffices for validity.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #381 on: August 26, 2020, 10:04:53 AM »
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  • In one of his talks from 20 years ago, Fr. Hesse said olive oil is a necessity for validity, no olive oil, no validity - period. This was his response to Pope Paul VI's decreeing that any oil will suffice.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #382 on: August 26, 2020, 10:19:29 AM »
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  • In one of his talks from 20 years ago, Fr. Hesse said olive oil is a necessity for validity, no olive oil, no validity - period. This was his response to Pope Paul VI's decreeing that any oil will suffice.

    Right, the NO started using palm oil for a while.  We know that olive oil is necessary, but does it has to be validly blessed in a chrism Mass to be validly used for the Sacraments.  I don't believe so.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #383 on: August 29, 2020, 07:54:41 AM »
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  • For solemn Baptism, which is baptism done by a priest following the rite in the Roman ritual, baptismal water is required. Baptismal water can be made by a priest at any time, normally it would be made at the Easter vigil, but it requires oils blessed by the Bishop on Holy Thursday to make it. For private baptism any water will do. Babies are being privately baptised today because in places there is not a priest to do the baptism.
    For extreme unction the oil of the sick is required. it is blessed by the Bishop on Holy Thursday along with the sacred chrism and the oil of the catechumens.

    The oil has a "best before" date in that the priest is supposed to use the current years oil. But it does not have a "use by" date, so oils from a previous year do not "go off" and are still holy oils, and can still be used. Baptismal water doesn't "go off" either so it can still be used for solemn baptism even if made with out of date oils.

    It really doesn't matter what oils Fr. Pfeiffer has now. The point is that a priest can validly give confirmation but not legally. If Fr. Pfeiffer gives confirmation now it will be valid depending on if he has valid sacred chrism or not. I would suspect that he does have valid sacred chrism but I do not know this. But next year after Easter he will certainly consecrate his own oils. They will be very doubtful and his confirmations will be doubtful. His Extreme Unctions will also be doubtful. Baptisms will still be valid. Absolution from him will be valid, but from those he "ordains" ??

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #384 on: August 29, 2020, 01:45:52 PM »
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  • Yes, I know, you’re supposed to use properly blessed oil, but that doesn’t answer the validity question.  In public Baptisms the priest is SUPPOSED to use Easter water but the Baptism would still be valid if he didn’t.

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #385 on: August 29, 2020, 04:02:14 PM »
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  • For solemn Baptism, which is baptism done by a priest following the rite in the Roman ritual, baptismal water is required. Baptismal water can be made by a priest at any time, normally it would be made at the Easter vigil, but it requires oils blessed by the Bishop on Holy Thursday to make it. For private baptism any water will do. Babies are being privately baptised today because in places there is not a priest to do the baptism.
    For extreme unction the oil of the sick is required. it is blessed by the Bishop on Holy Thursday along with the sacred chrism and the oil of the catechumens.

    The oil has a "best before" date in that the priest is supposed to use the current years oil. But it does not have a "use by" date, so oils from a previous year do not "go off" and are still holy oils, and can still be used. Baptismal water doesn't "go off" either so it can still be used for solemn baptism even if made with out of date oils.

    It really doesn't matter what oils Fr. Pfeiffer has now. The point is that a priest can validly give confirmation but not legally. If Fr. Pfeiffer gives confirmation now it will be valid depending on if he has valid sacred chrism or not. I would suspect that he does have valid sacred chrism but I do not know this. But next year after Easter he will certainly consecrate his own oils. They will be very doubtful and his confirmations will be doubtful. His Extreme Unctions will also be doubtful. Baptisms will still be valid. Absolution from him will be valid, but from those he "ordains" ??
    Canon law states that holy oils/chrism must be disposed of after one year and new ones obtained.  So, illicit (illegal) if old are used.
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    It does matter what he has now.  If they are not valid then the sacraments he does or has done with them are questionable.
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    Whatever ones he "makes" himself, will definitely be questionable.


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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #386 on: September 29, 2020, 10:54:47 AM »
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  • Bishop Pfeiffer's orders have been challenged in some quarters on the basis that they are of the Thuc Line. Hopefully this article by the late Fr Cekada has not already been posted somewhere in the previous 25 pages!:

    http://www.fathercekada.com/2001/09/11/bp-mendez-sspv-and-hypocrisy/

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #387 on: September 29, 2020, 03:14:38 PM »
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  • Time for fasting and praying for all. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #388 on: September 30, 2020, 12:54:10 PM »
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  • NO 'allows' palm oil, most dioceses use olive. Only know because I found out the SSPX keeps a list of which bishop uses which when I needed to find out if someones anointing was valid
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    Re: Bishop Pfeiffer
    « Reply #389 on: September 30, 2020, 06:43:27 PM »
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  • You all DO remember there is serious doubt regarding "Bp." Pfeiffer's consecration, right?

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