I have to object to this profanation of Our Lady by associating her with the Mexican flag, especially in light of the fact that such iconological monstrosity is usually perpetrated by leftists amongst the Hispanics (I am not implying s2srea is one here).

Our Lady of Guadalupe is the celestial Patroness of all the Spanish Americas (and the Philippines, which the Spanish evangelized), not just Mexico, a country whose corrupt government is unworthy of such a Patroness by reason of its ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic revolution and constitution, together with the crimes against the Church in spilling the blood of the Martyred Priests and layfolk who gloriously died in honor of Christ the King.

Moreover her royal and maternal sovereignty and tutelage transcends the nationalist or political agenda of any organization. By various apparitions and heavenly visitations, together with precious and miraculous images, Our Lady has manifested due solicitude to all her children in almost all nations throughout the round orb of the earth (Our Lady of Guadalupe - New Spain; Our Lady of the Pillar - Spain; Our Lady of "in Porticu" - Wales; Our Lady of Good Aid - Scotland; Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima - Portugal; Our Lady of Lourdes - France; Our Lady of Good Counsel - Italy; &c.).


This beautiful adaptation of the celebrated Ambrosian Hymn Te Deum written by the great Seraphic Doctor, Saint Bonaventure: to be found in the latter of his works in the tome The Mirror of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Speculum Beatae Mariae Virginis) and The Psalter of Our Lady (Psalterium Beatae Mariae Virginis) (trans. Sr. Mary Emmanual, O.S.B.; St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1932), shows that Our Lady cannot be "monopolized" by any one group, let alone any nationalistic or racial politik.

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Couldn't you have just added one more ignorant post so that we could have kept this thread going...?

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This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

Just look at the contributors... makes sense now eh...?

I guess that includes you too sharp guy.  :rolleyes:

These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

Who is the represented of anyway? Al Queda or the Saudis?

Anyway, I do give the more agressive Muslims credit for fighting against global Zionism and Western encroachment into their native lands.

The same can't be certainly said about Western "christians" these days.

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These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

Who is the represented of anyway? Al Queda or the Saudis?

Anyway, I do give the more agressive Muslims credit for fighting against global Zionism and Western encroachment into their native lands.

The same can't be certainly said about Western "christians" these days.

That's a flag from Chechinya.  2/3rds Muslim country, that tried to break away, but was squashed.  1/4 Russian, used to be Orthodox, but lapsed.

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

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Quote from: Marcelino

Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

Your post seems thoughtful.  America is not Europe.  It was an English country, divided by things like city folks and rural types or Yankees and Confederates or Eastern'ers and Cowboys.  So, in a profound sense, you were either White or Black and it was destiny.  

The Catholic waves of immigrants coming late on the scene, were used to a land were ethnicity was destiny.  That was not America.  Here race was destiny and it was a fairly broad category.