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« on: September 22, 2012, 05:17:09 PM »
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  • It is my understanding that, The Ku Klux Klan was formed after the Civil War, in response to the policies of Radical Republicans, imposed on The South, during the era of post-war "reconstruction."  Those policies were based on the idea, which at the time was quite radical, that blacks were completely equal with whites and that southern whites had committed great crimes against humanity, by their enslavement of blacks.  Hence, southern whites owed a great debt to blacks, which should immediately be repaid with land, money, weapons, political control and a willingness on the part of southern whites to have their property seized, body beaten or raped and their life taken, if wanted, all in the cause of atoning for their sins against the blacks.  I do not think I am exaggerating here.  

    President Lincoln, while a republican, was a moderate.  Hence, he did not wish to punish the south, any further than he felt had been required to bring it into submission to The Union, which the civil war had accomplished and General Lee had agreed to, when he surrendered.  However, their were forces within Lincoln's party that did in fact want to punish the south.  They were called the radical republicans and, unfortunately, they dominated reconstruction policies in the south.  

    In response to the terribly anti-southern-white policies of the radical republicans, during reconstruction, southern whites formed a secret political and military organization to protect whites during reconstruction.  After the federal government quit pursuing radical policies in the south, it was, for the most part, disbanded.  


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    « Reply #1 on: September 22, 2012, 05:26:20 PM »
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  • In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jewish immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

    Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

    My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  




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    « Reply #2 on: September 22, 2012, 05:34:57 PM »
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  • Today, Protestant and Catholic Americans watch as what they've come to believe is their country, is flooded by immigrants from regions of the world that are alien to themselves.  Again, they feel betrayed by their leaders.  Again, the causes seem much the same as they were in the early 20th Century (policies that encourage a low birth rate, being coupled with policies that encourage foreign immigration).  

    Todays "Minute Men" are in essence, yesteryear's Ku Klux Klan.  




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    « Reply #3 on: September 22, 2012, 06:08:30 PM »
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    « Reply #4 on: September 22, 2012, 06:09:01 PM »
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  • I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

    The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 22, 2012, 06:09:50 PM »
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    « Reply #6 on: September 22, 2012, 06:10:36 PM »
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    « Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 06:11:28 PM »
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    « Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 06:13:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marcelino
    In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jewish immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

    Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

    My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  


    Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

    Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 06:14:06 PM »
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    « Reply #11 on: September 22, 2012, 06:39:47 PM »
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    Quote from: Marcelino
    In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jewish immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

    Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

    My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  


    Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

    Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.


    Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if The Vatican saw a threat in a completely unified America, dominated by a New England elite (not exactly, queen isabella, if you know what i mean)!  

    Of course, no one who was sane  :jester: thought war was necessary to free black slaves or even that blacks were being terribly mistreated.  It was the radical wing of the republican party that thought like that and it was those same kind of ideas that I think started the french revolution and its fallout, which of course, was extremely anti-papist!

    And, there was all the folks who would suffer from a civil war.  It was the bloodiest war this country ever fought.  In fact, the casualties of that war still exceed the american casualties in every other war America has ever fought.  

    Of course, everybody knew  that industrialization was putting an end to state sponsored slavery.  So, nobody needed to die in a civil war, to put an end to slavery.   It was already dying.  

    It's all about rank.  They destroy the rank of the priesthood, the monarchy, then whites, natives, men, babies and of course, women.  In the end, the only thing that gets any potent rank, in the modern era, is power.  Hence the phrase, might makes right or as an ancient roman might have put it, caesar is truth.  




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    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2012, 07:19:46 PM »
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    I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

    The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.


    Reconstruction was a cruel thing to do to the South, since Southerners were fellow Americans and yes Reconstruction was about race.

    Of course there is a native Southern distrust of Catholics that endures even to this day.

    Not that I support the KKK but in recent times it seems the black agitators like to try and get the Klan riled up by mocking them. Anyway it's not like the South is any better than the North to me and I'll probably be looking for a "Yankee" girl to marry rather than a Southern one, nevermind the fact all of the 'shacking up' the white trash does these days.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2012, 09:44:33 PM »
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    I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

    The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.


    Reconstruction was a cruel thing to do to the South, since Southerners were fellow Americans and yes Reconstruction was about race.

    Of course there is a native Southern distrust of Catholics that endures even to this day.

    Not that I support the KKK but in recent times it seems the black agitators like to try and get the Klan riled up by mocking them. Anyway it's not like the South is any better than the North to me and I'll probably be looking for a "Yankee" girl to marry rather than a Southern one, nevermind the fact all of the 'shacking up' the white trash does these days.


    The South is The Bible Belt!  They have far more in common with Traditional Catholicism, than Northern Protestants.  Although, more catholic immigrants settled in the north, but they weren't here in the 1860s!   :roll-laugh2:


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    « Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 09:46:39 PM »
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    The South is The Bible Belt!  They have far more in common with Traditional Catholicism, than Northern Protestants.  Although, more catholic immigrants settled in the north, but they weren't here in the 1860s!   :roll-laugh2:


    The Bible Belt=pro-Israel and pro-Jewish

    Trust me I've lived here my whole life so I know what I'm talking about.

     

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