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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 05:17:09 PM

It is my understanding that, The Ku Klux Klan was formed after the cινιℓ ωαr, in response to the policies of Radical Republicans, imposed on The South, during the era of post-war "reconstruction."  Those policies were based on the idea, which at the time was quite radical, that blacks were completely equal with whites and that southern whites had committed great crimes against humanity, by their enslavement of blacks.  Hence, southern whites owed a great debt to blacks, which should immediately be repaid with land, money, weapons, political control and a willingness on the part of southern whites to have their property seized, body beaten or raped and their life taken, if wanted, all in the cause of atoning for their sins against the blacks.  I do not think I am exaggerating here.  

President Lincoln, while a republican, was a moderate.  Hence, he did not wish to punish the south, any further than he felt had been required to bring it into submission to The Union, which the cινιℓ ωαr had accomplished and General Lee had agreed to, when he surrendered.  However, their were forces within Lincoln's party that did in fact want to punish the south.  They were called the radical republicans and, unfortunately, they dominated reconstruction policies in the south.  

In response to the terribly anti-southern-white policies of the radical republicans, during reconstruction, southern whites formed a secret political and military organization to protect whites during reconstruction.  After the federal government quit pursuing radical policies in the south, it was, for the most part, disbanded.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 05:26:20 PM

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 05:34:57 PM

Today, Protestant and Catholic Americans watch as what they've come to believe is their country, is flooded by immigrants from regions of the world that are alien to themselves.  Again, they feel betrayed by their leaders.  Again, the causes seem much the same as they were in the early 20th Century (policies that encourage a low birth rate, being coupled with policies that encourage foreign immigration).  

Todays "Minute Men" are in essence, yesteryear's Ku Klux Klan.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:08:30 PM

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 22, 2012, 06:09:01 PM

I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:09:50 PM

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:10:36 PM

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:11:28 PM

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 22, 2012, 06:13:03 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  

Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 22, 2012, 06:14:06 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

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Germans have the coolest flag and colors of any nation hands down IMO.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:18:08 PM

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 06:39:47 PM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  

Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if The Vatican saw a threat in a completely unified America, dominated by a New England elite (not exactly, queen isabella, if you know what i mean)!  

Of course, no one who was sane  :jester: thought war was necessary to free black slaves or even that blacks were being terribly mistreated.  It was the radical wing of the republican party that thought like that and it was those same kind of ideas that I think started the french revolution and its fallout, which of course, was extremely anti-papist!

And, there was all the folks who would suffer from a cινιℓ ωαr.  It was the bloodiest war this country ever fought.  In fact, the casualties of that war still exceed the american casualties in every other war America has ever fought.  

Of course, everybody knew  that industrialization was putting an end to state sponsored slavery.  So, nobody needed to die in a cινιℓ ωαr, to put an end to slavery.   It was already dying.  

It's all about rank.  They destroy the rank of the priesthood, the monarchy, then whites, natives, men, babies and of course, women.  In the end, the only thing that gets any potent rank, in the modern era, is power.  Hence the phrase, might makes right or as an ancient roman might have put it, caesar is truth.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 07:19:46 PM

Quote from: alaric

I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.

Reconstruction was a cruel thing to do to the South, since Southerners were fellow Americans and yes Reconstruction was about race.

Of course there is a native Southern distrust of Catholics that endures even to this day.

Not that I support the KKK but in recent times it seems the black agitators like to try and get the Klan riled up by mocking them. Anyway it's not like the South is any better than the North to me and I'll probably be looking for a "Yankee" girl to marry rather than a Southern one, nevermind the fact all of the 'shacking up' the white trash does these days.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 09:44:33 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: alaric

I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.

Reconstruction was a cruel thing to do to the South, since Southerners were fellow Americans and yes Reconstruction was about race.

Of course there is a native Southern distrust of Catholics that endures even to this day.

Not that I support the KKK but in recent times it seems the black agitators like to try and get the Klan riled up by mocking them. Anyway it's not like the South is any better than the North to me and I'll probably be looking for a "Yankee" girl to marry rather than a Southern one, nevermind the fact all of the 'shacking up' the white trash does these days.

The South is The Bible Belt!  They have far more in common with Traditional Catholicism, than Northern Protestants.  Although, more catholic immigrants settled in the north, but they weren't here in the 1860s!   :roll-laugh2:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 09:46:39 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

The South is The Bible Belt!  They have far more in common with Traditional Catholicism, than Northern Protestants.  Although, more catholic immigrants settled in the north, but they weren't here in the 1860s!   :roll-laugh2:

The Bible Belt=pro-Israel and pro-Jєωιѕн

Trust me I've lived here my whole life so I know what I'm talking about.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 09:51:26 PM

Northern Protestants alllied with Jews to defeat their common enemies:  Catholics and The South.  

Catholics and The South have common enemies and tend to be more conservatite/traditional, than northern protestants and jews.  



 

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 09:53:50 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

Northern Protestants alllied with Jews to defeat their common enemies:  Catholics and The South.  

Catholics and The South have common enemies and tend to be more conservatite/traditional, than northern protestants and jews.

Southern Protestants support Israel and Jews.

So what if the South is more 'traditional' when it comes to values? If one ignores the immorality that Israel does against the Palestinians one has to question whether that is a person with morals.

If you take a drive through the South you'll see plenty of white trash, the same as in the North.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 10:06:53 PM

The South had better morals back in the 40's and 50's as did the nation as a whole, although the South was still pro-Israel back then as well.

By the way 'white trash' does not mean a person who has a low paycheck but a person with low morality.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 10:15:14 PM

My response of course shouldn't be seen as a slandering of the Confederacy or as a praise of radical blacks and liberals who label the Confederate flag as a 'swastika.'

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 10:31:19 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

Northern Protestants alllied with Jews to defeat their common enemies:  Catholics and The South.  

Catholics and The South have common enemies and tend to be more conservatite/traditional, than northern protestants and jews.

Southern Protestants support Israel and Jews.

So what if the South is more 'traditional' when it comes to values? If one ignores the immorality that Israel does against the Palestinians one has to question whether that is a person with morals.

If you take a drive through the South you'll see plenty of **** *****, the same as in the North.

No, but you made the comment in regards to The South, not The North and it is bologna.  

As far as economics goes, that disgusting term is definitely a slander towards  lower income whites, but especially Southern ones.  

Your use of that term disgusts me;  it is a term for our enemies to use, not our patriots.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 10:36:00 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

No, but you made the comment in regards to The South, not The North and it is bologna.  

As far as economics goes, that disgusting term is definitely a slander towards  lower income whites, but especially Southern ones.  

Your use of that term disgusts me;  it is a term for our enemies to use, not our patriots.  

Again working class does not equal white trash but those who 'shack up' do. And yes there is white trash in the North as well. Have you seen how men and women dress these days, both North and South? I don't understand this over-glorification of the South. Sure one should respect one's anscestors who fought for it but neither should one hold on to the ideal of the South being 'better' than the North, especially not these days. One should look at both regions having both their good and bad points.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 10:40:15 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

No, but you made the comment in regards to The South, not The North and it is bologna.  

As far as economics goes, that disgusting term is definitely a slander towards  lower income whites, but especially Southern ones.  

Your use of that term disgusts me;  it is a term for our enemies to use, not our patriots.  

Again working class does not equal white trash but those who 'shack up' do. And yes there is white trash in the North as well. Have you seen how men and women dress these days, both North and South? I don't understand this over-glorification of the South. Sure one should respect one's anscestors who fought for it but neither should one hold on to the ideal of the South being 'better' than the North, especially not these days. One should look at both regions having both their good and bad points.

No, you don't get it.  The term is a racial slur.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 10:42:36 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

No, you don't get it.  The term is a racial slur.  

Then it's a slur then. It's the same as calling a black a Negro or a Hispanic a mestizo however one finds in many whites these days some abhorrent behavior, just as with minorities.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 10:44:12 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

No, you don't get it.  The term is a racial slur.  

Then it's a slur then. It's the same as calling a black a Negro or a Hispanic a mestizo however one finds in many whites these days some abhorrent behavior, just as with minorities.

Not even close.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on September 22, 2012, 10:55:31 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

Not even close.

Uh yeah if one acts like 'white trash' one rightly deserves the name. The South went through the sɛҳuąƖ revolution and feminism just like the rest of the nation. I've lived my whole life here and being a convert to Catholicism I've been around my own Southern relatives, and trust me there is nothing praiseworthy to be said, with their fornication, adultery, divorce, feminism, praise of Israel, and among the 'baby boomer' Southern crowd they are just as liberal about race as a Northern liberal, oh and yes their love of economics, low taxes, and free trade.

Hell to them with my criticism of blacks, Jews, and women I'm the nαzι and fascist.

That being said I can also understand that the liberal counterculture was nothing to praise about either with it marching South to support civil rights for blacks.

Anyway back to the original point:

I do remember the way the old history was taught that the teachers would insist that 'Honest Abe' would have never allowed Reconstruction.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 22, 2012, 11:16:04 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

Not even close.

Uh yeah if one acts like 'white trash' one rightly deserves the name. The South went through the sɛҳuąƖ revolution and feminism just like the rest of the nation. I've lived my whole life here and being a convert to Catholicism I've been around my own Southern relatives, and trust me there is nothing praiseworthy to be said, with their fornication, adultery, divorce, feminism, praise of Israel, and among the 'baby boomer' Southern crowd they are just as liberal about race as a Northern liberal, oh and yes their love of economics, low taxes, and free trade.

Hell to them with my criticism of blacks, Jews, and women I'm the nαzι and fascist.

That being said I can also understand that the liberal counterculture was nothing to praise about either with it marching South to support civil rights for blacks.

Anyway back to the original point:

I do remember the way the old history was taught that the teachers would insist that 'Honest Abe' would have never allowed Reconstruction.

It sounds to me like you've got some resentments against your own people.  

Bottom line, you live in a culture that is openly hostile towards your race and religion.  You shouldn't help them.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Sigismund on September 24, 2012, 05:56:00 PM

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: s2srea on September 24, 2012, 09:47:42 PM

Quote from: Sigismund

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

Just look at the contributors... makes sense now eh...?

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 25, 2012, 12:35:10 AM

Quote from: Sigismund

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

It all fits!  :jester:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 25, 2012, 12:37:53 AM

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 25, 2012, 12:40:04 AM

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Hobbledehoy on September 25, 2012, 12:45:06 AM

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I have to object to this profanation of Our Lady by associating her with the Mexican flag, especially in light of the fact that such iconological monstrosity is usually perpetrated by leftists amongst the Hispanics (I am not implying s2srea is one here).

Our Lady of Guadalupe is the celestial Patroness of all the Spanish Americas (and the Philippines, which the Spanish evangelized), not just Mexico, a country whose corrupt government is unworthy of such a Patroness by reason of its ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic revolution and constitution, together with the crimes against the Church in spilling the blood of the Martyred Priests and layfolk who gloriously died in honor of Christ the King.

Moreover her royal and maternal sovereignty and tutelage transcends the nationalist or political agenda of any organization. By various apparitions and heavenly visitations, together with precious and miraculous images, Our Lady has manifested due solicitude to all her children in almost all nations throughout the round orb of the earth (Our Lady of Guadalupe - New Spain; Our Lady of the Pillar - Spain; Our Lady of "in Porticu" - Wales; Our Lady of Good Aid - Scotland; Our Lady of the Rosary at Fatima - Portugal; Our Lady of Lourdes - France; Our Lady of Good Counsel - Italy; &c.).


This beautiful adaptation of the celebrated Ambrosian Hymn Te Deum written by the great Seraphic Doctor, Saint Bonaventure: to be found in the latter of his works in the tome The Mirror of the Blessed Virgin Mary (Speculum Beatae Mariae Virginis) and The Psalter of Our Lady (Psalterium Beatae Mariae Virginis) (trans. Sr. Mary Emmanual, O.S.B.; St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1932), shows that Our Lady cannot be "monopolized" by any one group, let alone any nationalistic or racial politik.

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

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Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 25, 2012, 12:47:39 AM

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These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: s2srea on September 25, 2012, 05:37:34 PM

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Couldn't you have just added one more ignorant post so that we could have kept this thread going...?

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: guitarplucker on September 25, 2012, 10:49:34 PM

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Couldn't you have just added one more ignorant post so that we could have kept this thread going...?

What's been posted that's ignorant?

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 26, 2012, 07:41:35 AM

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Sigismund

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

Just look at the contributors... makes sense now eh...?

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I guess that includes you too sharp guy.  :rolleyes:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 26, 2012, 07:48:08 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 26, 2012, 07:56:10 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

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These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

Who is the represented of anyway? Al Queda or the Saudis?

Anyway, I do give the more agressive Muslims credit for fighting against global Zionism and Western encroachment into their native lands.

The same can't be certainly said about Western "christians" these days.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: alaric on September 26, 2012, 08:08:45 AM

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Couldn't you have just added one more ignorant post so that we could have kept this thread going...?

I think what Hobble said is more closer to the truth than you can handle, I don't believe no nations these days have the right to drape their flag around the BVM who is spiritually supposed to be Mother of us all. I understand Hispanics have this cultural and heritage thing going on with Guadelupe and long standing Catholicism but that is no longer the case these days, if anything, nations like Mexico and other Latin American ones have actually let the Lady down these days with mass defections from the Church and capitulating on issues like Abortion and Same-Sex Marriage.

Latin America no longer honors the Lady of the Americas any more than those gringos north of the Rio Grande.

Following the American lead, they only "lady" they are beginning the serve is the Whore of Babylon.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 26, 2012, 11:02:31 PM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

Who is the represented of anyway? Al Queda or the Saudis?

Anyway, I do give the more agressive Muslims credit for fighting against global Zionism and Western encroachment into their native lands.

The same can't be certainly said about Western "christians" these days.

That's a flag from Chechinya.  2/3rds Muslim country, that tried to break away, but was squashed.  1/4 Russian, used to be Orthodox, but lapsed.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on September 26, 2012, 11:03:06 PM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

 :applause:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Sigismund on October 01, 2012, 06:01:27 PM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 01, 2012, 07:06:40 PM

Quote from: Sigismund

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism...

Obviously you haven't been around many then...

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 02, 2012, 12:53:55 AM

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

Your post seems thoughtful.  America is not Europe.  It was an English country, divided by things like city folks and rural types or Yankees and Confederates or Eastern'ers and Cowboys.  So, in a profound sense, you were either White or Black and it was destiny.  

The Catholic waves of immigrants coming late on the scene, were used to a land were ethnicity was destiny.  That was not America.  Here race was destiny and it was a fairly broad category.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 07:58:11 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

 :applause:

Live in an area that is over 20% black, have run into this attitude, have a boss that is slighted toward her "soul sistas",etc and this does not keep me up nights as it apparently has for some of the obsessed here......some seem to be stuck in the 60's angst...focus more on your own faith and building of it, family,etc....

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 07:59:25 AM

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c7zyfigYdTQ/TnF3pR2socI/AAAAAAAATf0/wr_7SARjLS8/s1600/Black+Pride+Baltimore.jpg)

Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

had my Kilt one time at shop to get taken in, little black girl asked me about it, was verysweet, as was mother...no one accused me of bigotry......and yes, for some here this may be  :shocked:, I spoke to them......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:01:05 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

Not even close.

Uh yeah if one acts like 'white trash' one rightly deserves the name. The South went through the sɛҳuąƖ revolution and feminism just like the rest of the nation. I've lived my whole life here and being a convert to Catholicism I've been around my own Southern relatives, and trust me there is nothing praiseworthy to be said, with their fornication, adultery, divorce, feminism, praise of Israel, and among the 'baby boomer' Southern crowd they are just as liberal about race as a Northern liberal, oh and yes their love of economics, low taxes, and free trade.

Hell to them with my criticism of blacks, Jews, and women I'm the nαzι and fascist.

That being said I can also understand that the liberal counterculture was nothing to praise about either with it marching South to support civil rights for blacks.

Anyway back to the original point:

I do remember the way the old history was taught that the teachers would insist that 'Honest Abe' would have never allowed Reconstruction.

It sounds to me like you've got some resentments against your own people.  

Bottom line, you live in a culture that is openly hostile towards your race and religion.  You shouldn't help them.  

who is against my race? a minority, least we forget what Elizabetian cultics, freemasons look like-bacon, Dee,etc.......all white cultics......Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ foundation of USA and that was not brought and introduced by african shamans.....nor Indians.......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:04:57 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

(http://www.tridentmilitary.com/new-photos22/chechin.jpg)

These people seem quite proud too and tribalistic.  

do you stay up all night looking at these groups, in fear of them? too bad you dont spend more time promoting a CATHOLIC CULTURE and prayer, less worry about "them"....imagine then, that would require effort and energy, easier to sit at the internet and look up "them against us", people lurking outside of the window........oddly, many that are in constant  :shocked: :furtive: live in WhiteBread middle America......surrounded by fat assed whites from the Church of the Local Good Book.......who said Catholics seem to id more with as they are white.....Protestantism then is unimportant to them suddenly, as some dark fellow might somewhere be lurking.......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:07:41 AM

Quote from: guitarplucker

Quote from: s2srea

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Such images as the ones cited betray a tragic loss of both the sensus Catholicus and the true understanding of the grandeur of the Mother of God.

Couldn't you have just added one more ignorant post so that we could have kept this thread going...?

What's been posted that's ignorant?

Hobble is making sense and saying "lets look above this", hence ignorance......he should I guess, be appealing to the more acceptable "lets sit on our asses and not promote any agenda, but live in fear of others, many times, that we do not even see or interact with, but are on Fox News and the Limbaugh show-easier not to do any work and promoting ourselves, but live in fear of others".....so, Hobble is making sense and saying "lets look at the big picture", for the tiny minds race obsessed and lazy, that is too much.....Catholic action adn prayer would certainly fill that gap of time wasted......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:13:01 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

It is my understanding that, The Ku Klux Klan was formed after the cινιℓ ωαr, in response to the policies of Radical Republicans, imposed on The South, during the era of post-war "reconstruction."  Those policies were based on the idea, which at the time was quite radical, that blacks were completely equal with whites and that southern whites had committed great crimes against humanity, by their enslavement of blacks.  Hence, southern whites owed a great debt to blacks, which should immediately be repaid with land, money, weapons, political control and a willingness on the part of southern whites to have their property seized, body beaten or raped and their life taken, if wanted, all in the cause of atoning for their sins against the blacks.  I do not think I am exaggerating here.  

President Lincoln, while a republican, was a moderate.  Hence, he did not wish to punish the south, any further than he felt had been required to bring it into submission to The Union, which the cινιℓ ωαr had accomplished and General Lee had agreed to, when he surrendered.  However, their were forces within Lincoln's party that did in fact want to punish the south.  They were called the radical republicans and, unfortunately, they dominated reconstruction policies in the south.  

In response to the terribly anti-southern-white policies of the radical republicans, during reconstruction, southern whites formed a secret political and military organization to protect whites during reconstruction.  After the federal government quit pursuing radical policies in the south, it was, for the most part, disbanded.  

the southerner, wanted freedom and a seperate country. he was brutalized, invaded,occupied and then slighted in favor of balcks that were no more then puppets to destroy his cultre, sued like many and then put in charge, often they were illiterate. THe KKK in the beginning were more of a local militia to defend themselves and their families. Sadly, they quickly devolved into terrorizing normal whites and blacks.......often those with little role to play......the KKK around WWI and after took on more anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant stances, often against immigrants from Catholic areas.....they sure did not like my great gransfather moving into "their" neighborhood, though he was 2nd or 3rd generation Bavarian Catholic and was largely, americanist.......they formed on his lawn with the burning cross.....after ingoring and shunning them and slighting them....no cross got burned, G-grandpa had a 12 gauge......racke 'um, watch them scatter.
By 1918 and after, the bigest KKK was in PA and souther NY state, Indiana, Ohio,etc.......same latter w/Aryan movements.....the south still gets blamed, but much more subtle and not so subtle bigotry up north and esp, in Mid-West....which seems to bleed over into Catholics in those areas trying to be good americans and fit in with the Prots there......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:14:46 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.

they did not, likely, either as they were told to "fit in" and heads down, quickly, became indoctrinated into americanism.......saw it myself in my own family. by the stories......

your fore-bearers had a right to come here, this was intended as Catholic territory, the Prots were then and still are, the invaders.....

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:17:02 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Todays "Minute Men" are in essence, yesteryear's Ku Klux Klan.  

Not necessariyl, some MM are Hispanic, black, etc......met and had dinner some yrs ago w/Gilchrist, nice guy, did not see or hear any overt racism..but yes, some likely have that element. Lawful immigration policies are one thing......some of it is bigotry as they Hispanics come from a Catholic background and we cant have that in whitebred Protestant/Masonic USA....though in truth, most Hispanics are very thin deep Catholics, give them some freebies and next week, they are Methodists,etc......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:18:19 AM

Quote from: alaric

I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.

Very true, a step in the NWO, funded by northern Prot industry...after the Indian, they went after the small farmer/agrarian south.....now, just like the rest of the nation..consumerist, fat and neoconny bigtime......

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:20:21 AM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f395/infiniti_i30_98/irfanview_german_edited.jpg)

Germans have the coolest flag and colors of any nation hands down IMO.

 :applause:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:21:12 AM

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  

Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.

Likely, the south was more in line with subsiiarity, thatn ad Davis was very pro-Catholic....a lot of Catholis in LA and Charleston,etc.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:25:40 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.  

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion."  In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners.  These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.  

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants.  They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the resonse would have been largely the same!  So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.  

Of course you know, the immigrants from these regions you speak of were seen largely as "Papists" and an eminent threat to the South as well.

Ironically in a strange twist in history I believe the Vatican actually backed the Confederacy's right to secede.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if The Vatican saw a threat in a completely unified America, dominated by a New England elite (not exactly, queen isabella, if you know what i mean)!  

Of course, no one who was sane  :jester: thought war was necessary to free black slaves or even that blacks were being terribly mistreated.  It was the radical wing of the republican party that thought like that and it was those same kind of ideas that I think started the french revolution and its fallout, which of course, was extremely anti-papist!

And, there was all the folks who would suffer from a cινιℓ ωαr.  It was the bloodiest war this country ever fought.  In fact, the casualties of that war still exceed the american casualties in every other war America has ever fought.  

Of course, everybody knew  that industrialization was putting an end to state sponsored slavery.  So, nobody needed to die in a cινιℓ ωαr, to put an end to slavery.   It was already dying.  

It's all about rank.  They destroy the rank of the priesthood, the monarchy, then whites, natives, men, babies and of course, women.  In the end, the only thing that gets any potent rank, in the modern era, is power.  Hence the phrase, might makes right or as an ancient roman might have put it, caesar is truth.  

tell that to my mother, she buys into the fantasy of war=needed for freeing slaves, though she has no real love of them. SHe is deaf to the real reasons. tom diLorenzo, though a libertarain, has some good work on Lincoln and the war. A lot of nations, esp Catholic ones, freed slaves peacefully and gradually, with education............hence, more succesful today then the american black....

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:30:03 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: alaric

I believe if I'm correct that the Klan was a  Southern Nativist movement started by Confederate veterans like Nathan Bedford Forrest as a means of protection and agression against the Northern Capetbaggers exploiting the recently defated and vulnerable South.

The Union and it's Yankee politicians and business leaders were raping Dixie big time if I was a Southerner in those times I might've joined the "Ghosts of the Confederacy" myself.

Reconstruction was a cruel thing to do to the South, since Southerners were fellow Americans and yes Reconstruction was about race.

Of course there is a native Southern distrust of Catholics that endures even to this day.

Not that I support the KKK but in recent times it seems the black agitators like to try and get the Klan riled up by mocking them. Anyway it's not like the South is any better than the North to me and I'll probably be looking for a "Yankee" girl to marry rather than a Southern one, nevermind the fact all of the 'shacking up' the white trash does these days.

The South is The Bible Belt!  They have far more in common with Traditional Catholicism, than Northern Protestants.  Although, more catholic immigrants settled in the north, but they weren't here in the 1860s!   :roll-laugh2:

South back inteh 1860's was much different then now..more level headed and less fundie..that came a bit later....the southerner then was not a nutty, thumping zionist for the most part. The Catholic faced far less bigotry....matter of fact, when coming south during the war, the Yankee's often ransacked Catholic Churches...a hold over from New England Prot views...

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:34:42 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Marcelino

Northern Protestants alllied with Jews to defeat their common enemies:  Catholics and The South.  

Catholics and The South have common enemies and tend to be more conservatite/traditional, than northern protestants and jews.

Southern Protestants support Israel and Jews.

So what if the South is more 'traditional' when it comes to values? If one ignores the immorality that Israel does against the Palestinians one has to question whether that is a person with morals.

If you take a drive through the South you'll see plenty of **** *****, the same as in the North.

No, but you made the comment in regards to The South, not The North and it is bologna.  

As far as economics goes, that disgusting term is definitely a slander towards  lower income whites, but especially Southern ones.  

Your use of that term disgusts me;  it is a term for our enemies to use, not our patriots.  

Trad guy 20 is judging the south as it is NOW, not then.......zionism, Palestinians,etc were NOT an issue, at all, then.....though Jєωιѕн money was a factor......that is why Trad20 is for me on hide, he does not think things through...the south has changed a lot in 100+ yrs. The rise in fundamentalism and teh losing groudn for Anglicans, etc is not what you would have seen in 1860. The southerner now is a Neocon aider and zionist  :rahrah:, the war and plan worked well, now, didnt it. The wars and aggresive foreign policy of the USA state now would have been foreign to most southerners in 1860......Today's USA is Lincolnism on steroids........he would be proud.....

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 08:36:26 AM

Quote from: Sigismund

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

True, diverting in the "Civil" war aside, where is the part about sauce?????

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 02, 2012, 02:07:01 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: alaric

Quote from: Marcelino

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Tribalism seems to be a universal trait.  

Right but it seems when people of "color" engage in it, it's known as "pride" but when any ethnic whitey does the same it's labeled "racism".

Of course when it involves the Jews or Israel why it's known as their "right to exist".

Everyone else on the planet needs to assimilate or diversify.

I have never heard anyone of any race accuse people who are proud of their specific ethnic heritage of racism simply for that fact.  I am proud of my Irish heritage, If I were to say I was proud of something bigger than that, I might say European.  I think this is true, at least to some extent, because often white people in America know what their ethic heritage is with more precision than just European.  Most American blacks don't.  If they did, I think the dynamics here might be different.  

had my Kilt one time at shop to get taken in, little black girl asked me about it, was verysweet, as was mother...no one accused me of bigotry......and yes, for some here this may be  :shocked:, I spoke to them......

Well, aren't you sooooooo much smarter than the rest of us!   :sign-surrender:

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 02:22:07 PM

Not likely smarter, why, did I say I was?

some here and this is by now a tiring issue, have constant "theyre coming to get us" response, but then you find out they live at the corner of white bread lane and Lily whiteville.....no non-whites and the fear of a black revolt is in the air....circa 1968.

Not smarter, just know there are more realistic issues to tackle then some small group of fanatics or occasional riot.....

Fear blacks? no, fear God's wrath, definately.....

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 02, 2012, 02:22:47 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Quote from: Sigismund

This thread wins  the price for the most unusual title of any I have ever seen on this forum.

True, diverting in the "Civil" war aside, where is the part about sauce?????

and still, nothing about sauce?????

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 02, 2012, 03:36:32 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Not likely smarter, why, did I say I was?

some here and this is by now a tiring issue, have constant "theyre coming to get us" response, but then you find out they live at the corner of white bread lane and Lily whiteville.....no non-whites and the fear of a black revolt is in the air....circa 1968.

Not smarter, just know there are more realistic issues to tackle then some small group of fanatics or occasional riot.....

Fear blacks? no, fear God's wrath, definately.....

They are "coming to get you."  Wether you believe it or not, tribalism is one of the most powerful forces in the world and no matter how many black babies you kiss, that won't change.  The only more profound difference would be religious.  And even there, look at Europe in the 20th century.  Different white ethnic groups, sharing a common religion, making war with each other, over little else, than a desire to have their own ethnic state.  

America has, what I call, a polite police state.  All that functions to do is put a lid on tribalism;  it cannot change it, because it is a fundamental part of the natural order.  Our technological advances can't change that.  

It's no different than the denial of fundamental differences between men and women.  Those differences are a fundamental part of the natural order and the only way to "change" them is with the totalitarian control of a police state.  Once that project runs out of steam/money, the natural order will assert itself and become dominant again.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 06, 2012, 09:22:09 AM

Quote from: Belloc

Not likely smarter, why, did I say I was?

some here and this is by now a tiring issue, have constant "theyre coming to get us" response, but then you find out they live at the corner of white bread lane and Lily whiteville.....no non-whites and the fear of a black revolt is in the air....circa 1968.

Not smarter, just know there are more realistic issues to tackle then some small group of fanatics or occasional riot.....

Fear blacks? no, fear God's wrath, definately.....

You should be fearing a race war...

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 06, 2012, 09:26:48 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Well, aren't you sooooooo much smarter than the rest of us!   :sign-surrender:

Yeah really. :rolleyes:

Oh my goodness I talked to black people! :jester:

Well my goodness I talk to blacks and Hispanics every day. I know that must be surprising to the people who think I'm a nαzι and fascist on this forum. I also know the attitudes of minorities as well.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 06, 2012, 10:11:57 AM

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: poche on October 07, 2012, 06:00:53 AM

One of the goals of the kkk is the removal of the citizenship of all the catholic people.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 07, 2012, 12:39:48 PM

Quote from: poche

One of the goals of the kkk is the removal of the citizenship of all the catholic people.

Proof? I believe in the 1920's that immigration was halted but that was a good thing since it integrated many of the immigrants into American society, and yes that included those Catholic Italians, Balts, Poles, and Irish.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 08, 2012, 01:04:39 AM

Quote from: poche

One of the goals of the kkk is the removal of the citizenship of all the catholic people.

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion." In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners. These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants. They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the response would have been largely the same! So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 08, 2012, 01:09:22 AM

Quote from: PaxRomanum18

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

it integrated many of the immigrants into American society

You mean it turned them into anti-European Americanists who abandoned their culture, defied their religious principles, and turned on their racial identity in order to become Anglo-Americans. Like JFK.

Yeah, that's the problem with massive immigration:  you either split the country up with battling ethnic groups or you strip some ethnic group of its culture.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 08, 2012, 01:12:00 AM

It's like a blended family.  Someone's family heritage gets crushed.  It's awful.  

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 09:09:25 AM

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 09:11:27 AM

Quote from: Marcelino

Quote from: poche

One of the goals of the kkk is the removal of the citizenship of all the catholic people.

In America, around 1900, Catholic and Jєωιѕн immigrants, from Southern and Eastern Europe began flooding into a country, which had been almost exclusively the domain of Protestants from Northern Europe and a minority of protestantized blacks, from Africa.

Not surprisingly, Americans were alarmed by this "Immigrant Invasion." In response, they re-formed The Ku Klux Klan to protest the invasion of their country by foreigners. These protests were largely directed against their own government, which had in fact betrayed them.

My paternal ancestors are catholic immigrants. They often said of this, that had a bunch of Protestants from Northern Europe invaded one of their Catholic countries, the response would have been largely the same! So, they didn't take it as a personal insult.

Problem is, this land was NEVER meant for heretics.......it was meant to be convereted and settled by European Catholics....possibly, down the rd, for anglo and other nations Catholics as well, for a German Catholic would have flowed fine with Spainards......not wo much with Irish-americanists, hence the struggle in late 1800's.....

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 02:38:02 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Problem is, this land was NEVER meant for heretics.......it was meant to be convereted and settled by European Catholics....possibly, down the rd, for anglo and other nations Catholics as well, for a German Catholic would have flowed fine with Spainards......not wo much with Irish-americanists, hence the struggle in late 1800's.....

You do realize that Catholicism is the #1 religion in America today? I guess those nativists were proven right in their concerns eh, considering they were fearful that Catholicism would drown out Protestantism in this country?

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 02:41:22 PM

Quote from: Belloc

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

The Indians were a bunch of cannibals anyway and did human sacrifice and obviously you don't know much about the cruelty of the Spanish with their greed, massacre of Indians, and slavery of blacks which continued after the Americans. Of course I always put race above religion which is why I always feel more at home with a German Luteran than with the mestizo and Indian Catholics over the border.

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 03:06:48 PM

Quote from: PaxRomanum18

Before speaking of the supposed cruelty of the European Spaniards, you should remember that the Jew heavily infiltrated the New World, and they were the ones who dominated the slave trade.

Well I do agree that the Spaniards did bring civilization and Christianity to a continent of savages.

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Post by: PereJoseph on October 08, 2012, 03:09:25 PM

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Belloc

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

Of course I always put race above religion which is why I always feel more at home with a German Luteran than with the mestizo and Indian Catholics over the border.

Yes, it is clear that you do put race before the true religion.  You also put your own poorly formed thoughts and conclusions derived from a meagre education before the teachings of the Sovereign Pontiffs, particularly Pius XI.  Quote marked for the near future.  Think of what you said before the next time you deny that you are an immature and pompous idolater.

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 03:12:06 PM

Quote from: PereJoseph

Yes, it is clear that you do put race before the true religion.  You also put your own poorly formed thoughts and conclusions derived from a meagre education before the teachings of the Sovereign Pontiffs, particularly Pius XI.  Quote marked for the near future.  Think of what you said before the next time you deny that you are an immature and pompous idolater.

Yeah I can do without your PereJoseph babble thank you. I realize that race does matter, unlike yourself who praises the Indian savages and the French who messed themselves up by declaring war on Germany in World War II. You're a liberal. Do you deny it?

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:13:07 PM

Quote from: PaxRomanum18

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Belloc

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

The Indians were a bunch of cannibals anyway and did human sacrifice and obviously you don't know much about the cruelty of the Spanish with their greed, massacre of Indians, and slavery of blacks which continued after the Americans. Of course I always put race above religion which is why I always feel more at home with a German Luteran than with the mestizo and Indian Catholics over the border.

Before speaking of the supposed cruelty of the European Spaniards, you should remember that the Jew heavily infiltrated the New World, and they were the ones who dominated the slave trade.

of course, there were some bad aples in Spainards, and yes, jews always seemed to pop up when there was shipping and slavery, etc.....biggest slave ship owners were in NE and were jews.......

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:15:20 PM

Quote from: PaxRomanum18

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Belloc

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

The Indians were a bunch of cannibals anyway and did human sacrifice and obviously you don't know much about the cruelty of the Spanish with their greed, massacre of Indians, and slavery of blacks which continued after the Americans. Of course I always put race above religion which is why I always feel more at home with a German Luteran than with the mestizo and Indian Catholics over the border.

Before speaking of the supposed cruelty of the European Spaniards, you should remember that the Jew heavily infiltrated the New World, and they were the ones who dominated the slave trade.

Some indians were cannibals, some not......Spanish did nto masacre, but subdue and convert, the Prots on other hand, had a greedy, convert or die and wound up exterminating the indian......former Union generals called it the "final solution", sound familiar.....

YOUR comments, as usual, Trad20, are the ones thare are uneducated. Putting race above Fide is a sinful, unCatholic and condemned proposition.......so, go Luthern and piss off.....

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:17:02 PM

What does WWI and Masonic france have to do with the KKK and Reconstruction, or the settling of AMerica by CATHOLIC Spain and France?

Your babble makes no sense what so ever, adn yes, I take Germany/Austria's side in WWI, thanks......

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 03:18:10 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Some indians were cannibals, some not......Spanish did nto masacre, but subdue and convert, the Prots on other hand, had a greedy, convert or die and wound up exterminating the indian......former Union generals called it the "final solution", sound familiar.....

YOUR comments, as usual, Trad20, are the ones thare are uneducated. Putting race above Fide is a sinful, unCatholic and condemned proposition.......so, go Luthern and piss off.....

Well that's not full of Catholic charity is it? Need I also remind you of the Indians tomahawking early settlers? The Spanish conquistadors came to the New World looking for gold, same as the English Protestants when they first arrived. I hardly see a difference...

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:20:33 PM

Quote from: PereJoseph

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Quote from: Belloc

That melting pot thing was flawed at its start-that and the Prot/Cultics saw the New World as some pasture and new Jerusalem, rejecting Rome.....the vast empty wilderness to settle (ignoring Indians already here and the French/Spanish/Portugese, the rightful owners of the New World)

Of course I always put race above religion which is why I always feel more at home with a German Luteran than with the mestizo and Indian Catholics over the border.

Yes, it is clear that you do put race before the true religion.  You also put your own poorly formed thoughts and conclusions derived from a meagre education before the teachings of the Sovereign Pontiffs, particularly Pius XI.  Quote marked for the near future.  Think of what you said before the next time you deny that you are an immature and pompous idolater.

I posted in Library the Encycilcal of Pius XI.......its there for a reason........and Trad20 proves he is not Catholic, obviosuly has a poor education, likely in some Govt school and has no idea about what he speaks about, he is one of those guys that aparently thinks that the Americas had nothing happen from 1492 to 1609.....he rules out a  great and largely, un-taught epic in great Spanish conversions and settling.......Hugh Akins, AMericanist Heresy, Trad20 has been told this and obviosuly, has not done any research since this......too much Ska, white power acticvity to do his research? He mixes in indians, pre-settling and exploration by Spain, then to WWI........perhaps, he is Bipolar or something.....

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:22:05 PM

Trad20, you responded, yo uare still on hide and no need to look at your post, as it is likely disjointed, racist and stupid in general, as you prove to be and hence, why you are on hide.....

and, where is the sauce part of this thred???????

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:22:35 PM

gave ya thumbs down, anyway........like roscoe, you make no sense.......

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 08, 2012, 03:24:49 PM

Quote from: Belloc

gave ya thumbs down, anyway........like roscoe, you make no sense.......

Well likewise Belloc.

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Post by: Belloc on October 08, 2012, 03:28:07 PM

still on hide, not interested to debate longer with a guy that is obviously incapable of reason, clear thinking, well, any real Fide.....

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Post by: Marcelino on October 08, 2012, 09:50:22 PM

European History is full of wars, fought by Christians against Christians, for the ultimate goal of ethnically pure homelands to live in.  So, I'm not so sure that religion, in practice, has been doing a very good job of trumping race.  In fact, I don't think it has at all.  It appears to have been playing second fiddle to race for quite some time.

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Post by: Marcelino on October 09, 2012, 05:05:25 PM

Lots of Happy Catholics went off to Invade, kill and burn to the ground lots of cities full of Happy Catholics (who weren't so happy when they got gunned down, by those other happy catholics)!  

What was Germany upset about after WW1?  (lots of germans seperated from "the fatherland" and those germans were upset, they wanted to be re-united)!  

What drove the Serbs to set off WW1, by assassinating the heir to the throne of the empire that would rule over them?  They hated him because he was trying to placate them;  they wanted serbians united, not "pacified," by some "liberal reformer."  They didn't care what the duke's religion was!  They weren't out to unite Catholics;  they were out to unite Serbians!  

Wake up and smell the coffee (along with the roasting bodies).  Race, at least in practice, trumps religion  and it does it by a mile!  

Forget it;  that's just the way it is, some things will "never" change.  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 09, 2012, 05:09:29 PM

Look at Ancient Israel.  The Empire didn't split over religion;  it split along racial lines (two tribes to the south and 10 tribes to the north).  

Where I live, we don't have religious riots;  we have race riots.  And all the white people at least, go around saying, they don't care about race!  But all that self-hypnosis changes nothing!  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 09, 2012, 05:10:47 PM

Mexicans don't come here screaming at Protestants and Jews to Convert to Catholicism;  they come here screaming about "racial injustice!"  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 09, 2012, 05:13:33 PM

(http://guruthinks.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/viva_la_raza.jpg)

and here's their flag and it says,

"long live the race"

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Post by: Telesphorus on October 09, 2012, 06:38:39 PM

Quote

They didn't care what the duke's religion was!

No, they did hate him for being Catholic.

They were Serbs and One Muslim, maybe a Croat, I need to look it up.

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Post by: Belloc on October 09, 2012, 08:17:26 PM

Sorry you feel such little affection for your religion, obviously, you are colored by riots, engineered by the NWO to accomplish exactly what you are saying, to divide.......what do I know, though, I only live in the south w/lots of blacks and hispanics...

But hey, make race your god instead of going aroudn the NWO and building up the faith.....a common ground...

Israel was not torn by religion, as Israel was a formal Jєωιѕн state, minorites allowed to live there.......not a comparison to freemasonic USA.

Open my eyes? yeah, sorry that criminal just degree and my time as a street cop and CSI, really living in those ivory towers......

What I propose is the faith and buidling and strengthening that, not joining the chorus fo fear mongering...

Feel free to move if you live in a war torn zone, beleive you me, I would move, right out of this country if I could......you can have it......

so, then, la Raza is supported by every hispanic? majority? do tell.....and yes, they are a threat, but like you and many others, because they place race and ethnicity above all else, so you and they and several other miscreants here at CI are JUST LIKE THEM!!!! you have become them, and soon, will resort to violence, at first, self defense, but with that attitude, soon, it will go beyond, like the IRA that eventually turned on itself and its supporters.....

your rant about Caholics killing others-and?? I hear that all the time from Prots about those "evil Catholics killing everyone"....and?

the nations is tearing apart and we are playing into hands of thsoe doing the tearing by buying into their crap and divides.......the answer is not a head in the sand, not is it to segregate and treat anyone not like us as the enemy....

very stupid ranting and it took you 4 posts

Play their game, but as noted, I would like to get out and happy for you to stay.....

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Post by: Traditional Guy 20 on October 10, 2012, 11:34:21 AM

You have an unhealthy obsession finding the supposed "nαzιs" and "racists" on this website.

I'm happy to say that unlike the liberals who get emotional over their "feelings getting hurt" I enjoy my life.

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Post by: Marcelino on October 10, 2012, 04:41:20 PM

Quote from: Belloc

Sorry you feel such little affection for your religion, obviously, you are colored by riots, engineered by the NWO to accomplish exactly what you are saying, to divide.......what do I know, though, I only live in the south w/lots of blacks and hispanics...

But hey, make race your god instead of going aroudn the NWO and building up the faith.....a common ground...

Israel was not torn by religion, as Israel was a formal Jєωιѕн state, minorites allowed to live there.......not a comparison to freemasonic USA.

Open my eyes? yeah, sorry that criminal just degree and my time as a street cop and CSI, really living in those ivory towers......

What I propose is the faith and buidling and strengthening that, not joining the chorus fo fear mongering...

Feel free to move if you live in a war torn zone, beleive you me, I would move, right out of this country if I could......you can have it......

so, then, la Raza is supported by every hispanic? majority? do tell.....and yes, they are a threat, but like you and many others, because they place race and ethnicity above all else, so you and they and several other miscreants here at CI are JUST LIKE THEM!!!! you have become them, and soon, will resort to violence, at first, self defense, but with that attitude, soon, it will go beyond, like the IRA that eventually turned on itself and its supporters.....

your rant about Caholics killing others-and?? I hear that all the time from Prots about those "evil Catholics killing everyone"....and?

the nations is tearing apart and we are playing into hands of thsoe doing the tearing by buying into their crap and divides.......the answer is not a head in the sand, not is it to segregate and treat anyone not like us as the enemy....

very stupid ranting and it took you 4 posts

Play their game, but as noted, I would like to get out and happy for you to stay.....

I'll forgive your rage, even though you don't deserve it, because you aren't worth it.  Nobody is.

Of course, I still think you are wrong and naive.  Unfortunately, these days your experience and education do not = having good sense.  

You seem to think my opinions on this are straight out of the gutter, but they are actually straight out of Patrick J. Buchanan's latest book, "ѕυιcιdє of A Super Power."  He served in The Nixon, Ford and Reagan Adminstrations.  He is a Traditional Roman Catholic.

"Catholicism

Buchanan is a member of the traditionalist movement within Roman Catholicism, attending the Tridentine Mass in the Latin language at Saint Mary, Mother of God Church in Washington, D.C. on Sundays and holy days.

 In a 1993 speech against multiculturalism, he declared:

Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.[53]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Pat_Buchanan

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Post by: Marcelino on October 10, 2012, 05:20:21 PM

What you seem to think I'm trying to do Belloc, I'm not intending too.  I'm really just trying to present the facts, as I see them.  

There is of course, the idea of Catholicism being a religion that could unite the world in brotherhood, regardless of race, gender, handicap, class or perhaps even, lurid past.  Of course, that's just a dream, that will only be realized when this world is destroyed and God builds a new one.  Outside of that, it seems that Catholics segregate themselves, based on lots of things:  race, ethinicity, gender, class, handicap, skills, interests, talents and perhaps, even past lurid behavior.  

I guess, that's just the way it is and all the liberal projects in the world, won't change that.  It would appear that God made things this way:  The Tower of Babel for example, seems an excellent example of God's desire for men to segregate themselves and it seems a natural result of this segregation, that racial/ethnic characteristics emerge, which can be said to describe/characterize a group that would appear to constitute a unique/distinct people.  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 10, 2012, 05:23:31 PM

Those ideas seem consistent with The Church's past, pre-vatican II.  Once catholics became emerged in internationalist political and economic projects, then they naturally started become much more liberal in their attitudes about race/ethnicity.  That just goes with the territory.  Of course, I think Nationalism is much more in line with the natural order, than Internationalism is.  But, we aren't taught that anymore, because it is "politically incorrect," not because it isn't true or somehow, "anti-catholic."  That's just mass media/mass education/big corporate/big government "mind control."  You're supposed to attack like a rapid dog, whenever you see/hear somebody express ideas deemed "bad" by our corrupt leaders.  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 11, 2012, 07:09:53 PM

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote

They didn't care what the duke's religion was!

No, they did hate him for being Catholic.

They were Serbs and One Muslim, maybe a Croat, I need to look it up.

Wrong!  His group was fighting for Serbian Nationalism.  Serbians are Orthodox Christians.  His personal belief was atheism, but so what, the cause was Serbian Nationalism and it was a broad based movement, just waiting for some event to set it off.  

Remember, these people were offered nice terms from their conquerors, who were not really religiously alien to themselves (catholic and orthodox), but they would rather fight.  

The Irish were the same way.  Although, their religious differences were greater.  Still, The English had given the Irish freedom to practice catholicism, parlimentary power, ect, but still, the Irish demanded their own nation, ruled by their own Ethnicity.  

That's Ethno-nationalism!  And look how demanding it is.  

It would appear that we have an extremely strong desire to live among people very much like ourselves and to be ruled by them.  We don't seem to like "aliens" much, at all.  

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Post by: Diego on October 11, 2012, 07:20:38 PM

Gavril Princeps the chief assassin was Judaic. Of the 6 assassins, 4 were Judaic, all were Freemasons from the Black Hand Lodge.

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Post by: Marcelino on October 11, 2012, 07:21:41 PM

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/Braveheart_imp.jpg)

Look at The Scottish, depicted here by Mel Gibson.  I mean, come on!  How many people can actually tell the difference between a Scottish American and an English American?   :roll-laugh2:

I CAN'T!!!!!!  (unless, they tell me!)  

Where's the great religious difference between Scotland and England in The 13th Century????  


It looks like another case of "ethno-nationalism" to me and that stuff, inspires virtuous and God-fearing men, to bear their chests and kill other virtuous and God-fearing men.   :dwarf:  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 11, 2012, 07:23:57 PM

Quote from: Diego

Gavril Princeps the chief assassin was Judaic. Of the 6 assassins, 4 were Judaic.

Source!  (there's a constant stream of bogus claims of people being Jєωιѕн who aren't.  So, you can't just believe anything)  

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Post by: Diego on October 11, 2012, 07:27:30 PM

If memory serves it is in A Heart for Europe by the Bogles.

When I read that, it was such a typical finding, I had no need to archive the exact source/page.  That book also discusses the statements of the Freemasonic British and French Prime Ministers that their rejection of Emperor Karl's surrender offers was because they weren't interested in the end of the war, but in the end of the last Catholic empire.

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Post by: Marcelino on October 11, 2012, 07:30:28 PM

The Serbian Assassin wanted to join The Black Hand, in the first place, but was rejected, because he was too little!   :laugh1:

There credo is clear:  UNIFICATION (of ethnic serbs) OR DEATH!  (i think it is hard to get much clearer than that)  

Unification or Death (Serbian: Уједињење или смрт, Ujedinjenje ili smrt),[1] unofficially known as the Black Hand (Црна рука, Crna ruka), was a secret military society formed by members of the Serbian army in the Kingdom of Serbia, which was founded on 6 September 1901.[2] It was formed with the nationalistic aim of uniting all of the territories with significant Serb populations not ruled by Serbia.[3][4] Through its purported connections to the June 1914 assassination in Sarajevo of Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria, the Black Hand may have been one of the principal catalysts to the start of World War I, fueling the July Crisis of 1914 and giving Austria-Hungary a pretext to invade Serbia

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Post by: Marcelino on October 11, 2012, 07:33:15 PM

Quote from: Diego

If memory serves it is in A Heart for Europe by the Bogles.

When I read that, it was such a typical finding, I had no need to archive the exact source/page.

Bogus accusations of the Jєωιѕнness of every person on the planet who ever did anything wrong, may be typical, but the idea that The Duke's Assassin was Jєωιѕн does not appear to be a "typical" characterization of him.  

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Post by: Telesphorus on October 11, 2012, 11:13:59 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

Wrong!  His group was fighting for Serbian Nationalism.  Serbians are Orthodox Christians.  His personal belief was atheism, but so what, the cause was Serbian Nationalism and it was a broad based movement, just waiting for some event to set it off.  

Marcelino, it seems you're awfully defensive, and it causes you to say stupid and false things.

I have a digital copy of the whole trial transcript, where it's stated quite clearly (by the assassins themselves) that they had a strong aversion to the Archduke for being Catholic.

First of all, they supported the idea of a unification of South Slavs.  Not just Serbian Nationalism.  Serbia was to be the "South Slav Piedmont"

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Post by: Telesphorus on October 11, 2012, 11:17:49 PM

Princip doesn't seem to have any Jєωιѕн blood, but his personal effects are kept in an old ѕуηαgσgυє building in Sarajevo.  Strange.

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Post by: Marcelino on October 12, 2012, 09:25:40 PM

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Marcelino

Wrong!  His group was fighting for Serbian Nationalism.  Serbians are Orthodox Christians.  His personal belief was atheism, but so what, the cause was Serbian Nationalism and it was a broad based movement, just waiting for some event to set it off.  

I seem awfully defensive, and it causes me to say stupid and false things.

I have a digital copy of the whole trial transcript, where it's stated quite clearly (by the assassins themselves) that they had a strong aversion to the Archduke for being Catholic.

First of all, they supported the idea of a unification of South Slavs.  Not just Serbian Nationalism.  Serbia was to be the "South Slav Piedmont"

I'm sorry you feel that way  :jester:

Well, I haven't read any trial transcripts and I don't see a link in your post to one.  So, if I take your word for it, all I can say is:  so what.  All that proves is they didn't want to be ruled by Catholics, because they were Orthodox.  I guess that proves what, religion matters too?  Fine.  I think it does too.  

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Post by: Marcelino on October 12, 2012, 09:29:22 PM

The Day of The Race is celebrated today in Mexico.

It is the South and Central American version of Columbus Day.  Started as an official holiday in Mexico around 1924.  

The National Council of La Raza is funded by people like Bill and Melinda Gates, The Ford Foundation, Citigroup and Walmart   :roll-laugh1:

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Post by: Marcelino on October 12, 2012, 09:42:59 PM

Quote from: Telesphorus

Princip doesn't seem to have any Jєωιѕн blood, but his personal effects are kept in an old ѕуηαgσgυє building in Sarajevo.  Strange.

"Fearing his bones might become relics for Slav nationalists, Princip’s jailers took the body in secret to an unmarked grave, but a Czech soldier assigned to the burial remembered the location, and in 1920 Princip and the other “Heroes of Vidovdan” were disinterred and brought to Sarajevo, where they were buried together beneath a chapel “built to commemorate for eternity our Serb Heroes” at St. Mark’s Cemetery.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

"Princip's pistol was confiscated by the authorities, and eventually given, along with the Archduke's bloody undershirt, to Anton Puntigam, a Jesuit priest who was a close friend of the Archduke and had given the Archduke and his wife the last rites. The pistol and shirt remained in the possession of the Austrian Jesuits until they were offered on long-term loan to the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum in Vienna in 2004. The pistol is now part of the permanent exhibition there.[10]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

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Post by: Marcelino on October 12, 2012, 09:45:59 PM

Quote from: Marcelino

The Day of The Race is celebrated today in Mexico.

It is the South and Central American version of Columbus Day.  Started as an official holiday in Mexico around 1924.  

The National Council of La Raza is funded by people like Bill and Melinda Gates, The Ford Foundation, Citigroup and Walmart   :roll-laugh1:

The Race or La Raza = the mixture of spanish and indian blood, but in Venezuela it has come to mean something like the day of indian ιnѕυrrєcтισn against the spanish or something like that.  Anyway, who says the left doesn't use nationalism too.  They seem to use racial and ethnic pride a lot, even though technically, they don't believe in it  :laugh2:

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Post by: Telesphorus on October 12, 2012, 09:46:36 PM

Yeah, a Browning 1910 .32

Read WA Dolph Owings The Sarajevo Trial, or Edith Durham's The Serajevo Crime for in depth discussion of these matters.

Another interesting book is Henri Pozzi's Black Hand Over Europe.

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Post by: Telesphorus on October 12, 2012, 09:49:41 PM

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It always has made me ill how the mainline historians show support and approval for Princip.  It shows you how deeply ingrained liberal hatred of the old Right is, it's something Catholics don't always pick up on.

Title: The KKK, Catholics, Reconstruction, Jews and Spaghetti Sauce
Post by: Marcelino on October 21, 2012, 03:06:47 AM

So, it's basically about ethnic groups wanting their own homeland.  And that seems as natural as rain.