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Re: Suffering from loneliness
« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2023, 09:20:58 AM »
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  • Bataar, I'm sure you know that Our Lord's Passion transcends time and space. He suffered loneliness in the Garden while His disciples slept and did not comfort Him. The Father had to send Jesus Christ an angel to comfort Him. Put yourself with Our Lord at that moment of His Passion. Offer your loneliness and suffering to Him there. He knows you, and He knows your suffering while He is suffering there. I'm sure He will bestow many graces to you. And, of course, pray to Our Lord and ask for Blessed Mary's intercession that you will be granted a good, holy Catholic woman for a spouse. 

    Bataar, I will offer my next suffering up to Our Lord so He may grant you love in your life.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #31 on: March 17, 2023, 04:06:13 PM »
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  • Bataar, I'm sure you know that Our Lord's Passion transcends time and space. He suffered loneliness in the Garden while His disciples slept and did not comfort Him. The Father had to send Jesus Christ an angel to comfort Him. Put yourself with Our Lord at that moment of His Passion. Offer your loneliness and suffering to Him there. He knows you, and He knows your suffering while He is suffering there. I'm sure He will bestow many graces to you. And, of course, pray to Our Lord and ask for Blessed Mary's intercession that you will be granted a good, holy Catholic woman for a spouse. 

    Bataar, I will offer my next suffering up to Our Lord so He may grant you love in your life.
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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #32 on: March 19, 2023, 10:41:29 AM »
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  • I'm pretty much truly alone. I'm 44 years old, no wife or family of my own. My dad and 2 siblings live 300 miles away so I don't get to interact with them very often. I don't really have any good friends. I have a few buddies that I'm able to do stuff with a couple of times a month, but that's it. They're all married and have kids so they don't have time to spend with me. Unless I need to go to the store or something, I'm pretty much home, by myself. Once summer gets here it'll be nice because at least I'll be able to go fishing after work and on weekends.

    Another problem is that I'm a high functioning autistic person. Most people probably wouldn't notice anything odd about me once they get to know me, but it definitely makes this area of life very hard. It's extremely difficult to meet people as my social norms are backward. I need to already know someone before I want to talk to them. I usually do this by interacting with them in some kind of activity and I learn whether or not they're someone I want to know better which makes me want to talk to them and gives me something to talk to them about. If someone's a complete stranger, I have no idea what to talk to them about. For me, unless I'm talking to someone I already care about in some way, the purpose of talking is the exchange of information. If I don't know someone, I don't know if they know anything I need to ask them about, nor do I know if I know something I should inform them about which makes talking pointless.

    I remember someone suggesting I should ask someone what kind of work they do as a conversation starter. For most people, this is probably a good opener, but the way my brain works, it's not. If this person is a stranger, why do I want to know where they work? How will that information be useful for anything in and of itself? Interrupting someone to ask them for a useless, meaningless bit of information is just . . . . . . . . I can't even describe how wrong and stressful that is. My church doesn't have any kind of social activities so there's no viable way for me to meet anyone.

    Now if it's a person I know and care about in some way, it's completely different. I just need to find a way to get to know something about them before actually trying to converse with them.

    Someone above mentioned prayer and while I do pray (probably not as often as I should), it doesn't help at all. If anything, it makes me feel worse as it will lead me to believe that God may help and when nothing changes or even gets worse, I obviously feel worse than before. Praying feels like calling someone you consider a friend who never answers their phone anymore. You leave them a voicemail and they never call you back.
    Hello Bataar,

    Thank you for starting this thread. It has been a worthy one, because I had no idea how many of us are sharing the sorrows of similar paths. Reading all the posts here has given me a sense of belonging to others as only one solitary can belong to other solitaries. 

    A couple of thoughts:

    1. You mention that you have some trouble with prayer. I cannot say that I have the same trouble. And I think it might perhaps be the result of always combining prayer with study. When one sits down to pray, and sits down at the same time to study, the mind cannot but be filled with truth and God. Thoughts of self do intrude - for the things of God are a mirror. By the simple act of study, one can be placed in the experiences of remorse, self-examination, contrition, firm amendment, and making of resolutions. But also spiritual joy when insights come, when the beauty of the truth is apprehended, when the mind receives illumination. I can honestly say that I never sit down to pray to ask God for things, except to know and love Him. I always sit down to pray as a disciple resting at the feet of my Teacher, to hear His words and be formed by Him. I believe that all the other fruits of prayer can be collected through this one means. For this cause, I'm not often making Novenas or asking for particular things. I try to ask only for spiritual benefits, but occasionally I do need to request temporal assistance, and I do then ask.  

    Thus you may consider asking yourself how much time do you study? How much time do you spend trying to learn all that you can about God and your religion? Prayer is going to come naturally to one who seeks the knowledge of God ardently and assiduously.

    2. Are you truly unhappy being alone, or do you think there might be something wrong with you when you compare yourself to others? In other words, consider that this lonely feeling might not be real, but a temptation. I am a true solitary, and for this I am actually grateful. The older I get, the more I understand that I'm not missing out on much. In fact, I have glorious freedom to pursue God as many others do not. I can breathe freely only when I am alone. But when I am at work, I feel a ghastly loneliness, so strong and so grievous to my soul, and so lingering even when I get home, that I realize it cannot be from God. I find myself playing over and over again in my mind a tape that tells me how different I am from others, how isolated, how weird they must think I am, how I fit in nowhere, how horrible it is to be the only Catholic in a horde of pagans. 

    How could it be that I can enjoy so much peace in solitude, and yet suffer so acutely when in company, EXCEPT I am being temped? EXCEPT there are still many imperfections in my soul that prevent me from being recollected in the midst of the fiery furnace?

    3. Consider that loneliness in our times could be a sign of predilection. It might be a special suffering that God asks of His faithful ones, by which they make reparation for their sins and the sins of the world. 

    4. I suggest to you, that, having attained the age of 44, and being now pretty much set in your ways, you proceed forth as a solitary called to be a solitary by God, for the needs of this age; rather than seeking to contrive affected means of socialization. Exercise yourself in becoming the kind of solitary that dwells in supernatural love. For being alone does not mean that you live without love. The more one finds oneself entirely dependent on God, the more one's heart dilates. 

    I suggest to you that you get rid of all things that distract you - TV, movies, music - and devote your free time to assiduous study of the Faith. Prayer and love of God will be the sure fruits of such labors. You may still feel pangs of loneliness, but they will be sweetened by love, and made acceptable sacrifices to a God Who has been deprived of these sweet offerings for far too long. 

    God bless you! 

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #33 on: March 19, 2023, 11:46:41 AM »
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  • Hello Bataar,

    Thank you for starting this thread. It has been a worthy one, because I had no idea how many of us are sharing the sorrows of similar paths. Reading all the posts here has given me a sense of belonging to others as only one solitary can belong to other solitaries.

    A couple of thoughts:

    1. You mention that you have some trouble with prayer. I cannot say that I have the same trouble. And I think it might perhaps be the result of always combining prayer with study. When one sits down to pray, and sits down at the same time to study, the mind cannot but be filled with truth and God. Thoughts of self do intrude - for the things of God are a mirror. By the simple act of study, one can be placed in the experiences of remorse, self-examination, contrition, firm amendment, and making of resolutions. But also spiritual joy when insights come, when the beauty of the truth is apprehended, when the mind receives illumination. I can honestly say that I never sit down to pray to ask God for things, except to know and love Him. I always sit down to pray as a disciple resting at the feet of my Teacher, to hear His words and be formed by Him. I believe that all the other fruits of prayer can be collected through this one means. For this cause, I'm not often making Novenas or asking for particular things. I try to ask only for spiritual benefits, but occasionally I do need to request temporal assistance, and I do then ask. 

    Thus you may consider asking yourself how much time do you study? How much time do you spend trying to learn all that you can about God and your religion? Prayer is going to come naturally to one who seeks the knowledge of God ardently and assiduously.

    2. Are you truly unhappy being alone, or do you think there might be something wrong with you when you compare yourself to others? In other words, consider that this lonely feeling might not be real, but a temptation. I am a true solitary, and for this I am actually grateful. The older I get, the more I understand that I'm not missing out on much. In fact, I have glorious freedom to pursue God as many others do not. I can breathe freely only when I am alone. But when I am at work, I feel a ghastly loneliness, so strong and so grievous to my soul, and so lingering even when I get home, that I realize it cannot be from God. I find myself playing over and over again in my mind a tape that tells me how different I am from others, how isolated, how weird they must think I am, how I fit in nowhere, how horrible it is to be the only Catholic in a horde of pagans.

    How could it be that I can enjoy so much peace in solitude, and yet suffer so acutely when in company, EXCEPT I am being temped? EXCEPT there are still many imperfections in my soul that prevent me from being recollected in the midst of the fiery furnace?

    3. Consider that loneliness in our times could be a sign of predilection. It might be a special suffering that God asks of His faithful ones, by which they make reparation for their sins and the sins of the world.

    4. I suggest to you, that, having attained the age of 44, and being now pretty much set in your ways, you proceed forth as a solitary called to be a solitary by God, for the needs of this age; rather than seeking to contrive affected means of socialization. Exercise yourself in becoming the kind of solitary that dwells in supernatural love. For being alone does not mean that you live without love. The more one finds oneself entirely dependent on God, the more one's heart dilates.

    I suggest to you that you get rid of all things that distract you - TV, movies, music - and devote your free time to assiduous study of the Faith. Prayer and love of God will be the sure fruits of such labors. You may still feel pangs of loneliness, but they will be sweetened by love, and made acceptable sacrifices to a God Who has been deprived of these sweet offerings for far too long.

    God bless you!

    This was a great post.  Thanks for sharing.  As mentioned earlier in the thread I'm one of those going through pretty much the same thing.  When I'm amongst people at work is when the most stress and anxiety comes.  Pangs of loneliness are a real thing and I feel them often.

    Bataar.  Simeon made some great points.  Don't necessarily think or feel that you need to be around people for this loneliness to clear, it may be a temptation and a way of shirking the cross God has sent you.  I used to be in the same boat but was given the eyes to see that God sends different crosses to different people and it's the pride in us that doesn't want this cross.  I understand the loneliness, the despair, the feelings of isolation,etc.  This is likely God setting you aside from the world, marital duties, and to break the vice of human respect in the soul to prepare you for something in the future but you have to hang on.  A big part of this is also trusting in God and His Providence to give you what you need.  Some of the sufferings from this also come from lack of trusting in God.  He will ALWAYS have your best interest in heart, even though it may not feel that way sometimes.  He made you to be with Him forever.  Always remember this.

    During the major temptations to despair and bitterness and even temptations to ѕυιcιdє I have recourse to my Guardian Angel, Blessed Virgin Mary, and St. Joseph.  Don't give up the fight.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #34 on: March 19, 2023, 12:47:54 PM »
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  • This has been a great thread. I think our loneliness is derived from the breakdown in the Church which has caused a breakdown in unity among Catholics, in effect destroying the natural bonds of brotherhood that exist between all of us.  

    Instead of being brothers and sisters in Christ, there is disunity, tribalism, suspicion. It’s a mess, and one of the rotten fruits of this is loneliness. I don’t see any easy solution until the Church once again functions as it should which will create the foundation for a healthy peace and a culture to develop again among Catholics, which then will lead to healthy friendships, as there will unity and will be no more disputes among us. 


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #35 on: March 19, 2023, 02:23:31 PM »
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  • Too, what might seem to be loneliness could actually be a benevolent sparing from something worse. Not all of the superficially admirable people out there really do hold to the meaning of caritas, to will the good of others. What we can hope for instead is that God will send us those companions we do need, few may they be, when His time is right for it.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #36 on: March 19, 2023, 07:47:03 PM »
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  • This was a great post.  Thanks for sharing.  As mentioned earlier in the thread I'm one of those going through pretty much the same thing.  When I'm amongst people at work is when the most stress and anxiety comes.  Pangs of loneliness are a real thing and I feel them often.

    Bataar.  Simeon made some great points.  Don't necessarily think or feel that you need to be around people for this loneliness to clear, it may be a temptation and a way of shirking the cross God has sent you.  I used to be in the same boat but was given the eyes to see that God sends different crosses to different people and it's the pride in us that doesn't want this cross.  I understand the loneliness, the despair, the feelings of isolation,etc.  This is likely God setting you aside from the world, marital duties, and to break the vice of human respect in the soul to prepare you for something in the future but you have to hang on.  A big part of this is also trusting in God and His Providence to give you what you need.  Some of the sufferings from this also come from lack of trusting in God.  He will ALWAYS have your best interest in heart, even though it may not feel that way sometimes.  He made you to be with Him forever.  Always remember this.

    During the major temptations to despair and bitterness and even temptations to ѕυιcιdє I have recourse to my Guardian Angel, Blessed Virgin Mary, and St. Joseph.  Don't give up the fight.
    Hello EW!

    So glad you are posting here. Your low points sound terribly distressing. I happy to see that you know what to do when you are tempted, and even know that you are being tempted. That's the one-two punch needed to fight back and win!

    I suffer from a number of work-related anxieties, all stemming from feelings of dissociation and isolation caused by my Religion. My Religion causes me to dress differently than the other women, which makes me stick out. No matter how much I try to navigate dress, I draw attention because I am not dressing like every single other person. My religion causes me to avoid getting close with people because what they do and say is dreadfully sick and depraved. I am cheerful, funny, and supportive on the outside, but on the inside I am anxious, suspicious, and I feel absolutely abandoned and cast off. I'm sure that some of my suspicions are rash, brought on by stress; as it is entirely unnatural to be in close daily proximity with people you have to keep at bay as secretly and unobtrusively and cheerfully as you can. It's a nightmare, and a wholly painful thing. And you have to do it over and over and over again. Thus you begin to get a bit of a complex. You must keep a careful watch over yourself, also, lest you fall, as I often have, into compensation tactics that lead to other temptations and pits of vanity and venial sin.

    I'm of the opinion that these gauntlets of anxiety and pain simply cannot be avoided because of human nature (we want to be liked and to fit in), because of the life of grace (which has its own implacable demands), and because being the only Catholic in a horde of pagans is a form of torture.

    Yet we have to work. We have to go out in public. We have to interact with human devils.

    I want to mention one other thing. Each age produces its Saints. The first age produced Martyrs of astounding courage and ardent love of God and truth. These were hit with the full force of judaeo-pagan hatred and violence. Though they suffered in public, each Martyr was alone in his combats. He fought the devil, the flesh, and the world by himself and with Christ alone. Others could encourage him, but they could not fight for him because martyrdom always involves an act of the will. 

    [Our martyrdom, too, involves an act of the will. I could wear tight skinny jeans and low cut blouses. I could cuss, backbite, tell dirty jokes, etc. I could make myself fit in nicely, if I didn't care about my God. Every day I am offered any number of compromises. And every day I refuse them, and suffer for it. 

    My suffering, I will.

    I will my suffering.] 

    Then came the age of the desert hermits. These went out to the desolate wastes seeking both solitude and combats with devils and the old man.

    Then came the age of the monasteries. These went into cloisters and cells seeking both solitude and combats with devils and the old man. 

    We have been born into another age. What it will be called in future I do not know. Perhaps an age of apostasy, of neo-paganism, of neo-persecution.

    But what we know is that the Saints of our age will have in common with the Saints of all former ages: some kind of solitude, and some kind of combat.

    The monasteries and deserts are now emptied out; so many vocations to marriage and religious life have been lost; yet the Church is always grounded on the twin pillars of solitude and combat.

    We do not have Nero's and Domitian's to try our resolve. We do not have desert cells from which we go forth to meet the devil and the old man. We do not have monastic cells, within which we discipline the will and the flesh and fight with satan. 

    No, the Saints of today have jobs.  COMBAT

    They have Vatican II and broken families/communities.  SOLITARY CONFINEMENT

    If we understand how to look at our plight, we will see that we are the "new religious." The new monks and nuns and coenobites.

    It's a vocation.

    How do we know it's a vocation?

    It hurts; but because of the joy, we wouldn't change a thing!

    That's how we know:

    Hebrews 12:2-8: [Look upon Jesus], the Author and Finisher of faith, Who having joy set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame, and now sitteth on the right hand of the throne of God. For think diligently upon Him that endured such opposition from sinners against Himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in your minds.  For you have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin: And you have forgotten the consolation, which speaketh to you, as unto children, saying: My son, neglect not the discipline of the Lord; neither be thou wearied whilst thou art rebuked by Him.

    For whom the Lord loveth, He chastiseth; and He scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with His sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct? But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #37 on: March 19, 2023, 11:13:39 PM »
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  • Hello EW!

    So glad you are posting here. Your low points sound terribly distressing. I happy to see that you know what to do when you are tempted, and even know that you are being tempted. That's the one-two punch needed to fight back and win!

    I suffer from a number of work-related anxieties, all stemming from feelings of dissociation and isolation caused by my Religion. My Religion causes me to dress differently than the other women, which makes me stick out. No matter how much I try to navigate dress, I draw attention because I am not dressing like every single other person. My religion causes me to avoid getting close with people because what they do and say is dreadfully sick and depraved. I am cheerful, funny, and supportive on the outside, but on the inside I am anxious, suspicious, and I feel absolutely abandoned and cast off. I'm sure that some of my suspicions are rash, brought on by stress; as it is entirely unnatural to be in close daily proximity with people you have to keep at bay as secretly and unobtrusively and cheerfully as you can. It's a nightmare, and a wholly painful thing. And you have to do it over and over and over again. Thus you begin to get a bit of a complex. You must keep a careful watch over yourself, also, lest you fall, as I often have, into compensation tactics that lead to other temptations and pits of vanity and venial sin.

    I'm of the opinion that these gauntlets of anxiety and pain simply cannot be avoided because of human nature (we want to be liked and to fit in), because of the life of grace (which has its own implacable demands), and because being the only Catholic in a horde of pagans is a form of torture.

    Yet we have to work. We have to go out in public. We have to interact with human devils.

    I want to mention one other thing. Each age produces its Saints. The first age produced Martyrs of astounding courage and ardent love of God and truth. These were hit with the full force of judaeo-pagan hatred and violence. Though they suffered in public, each Martyr was alone in his combats. He fought the devil, the flesh, and the world by himself and with Christ alone. Others could encourage him, but they could not fight for him because martyrdom always involves an act of the will. 

    [Our martyrdom, too, involves an act of the will. I could wear tight skinny jeans and low cut blouses. I could cuss, backbite, tell dirty jokes, etc. I could make myself fit in nicely, if I didn't care about my God. Every day I am offered any number of compromises. And every day I refuse them, and suffer for it.

    My suffering, I will.

    I will my suffering.]

    Then came the age of the desert hermits. These went out to the desolate wastes seeking both solitude and combats with devils and the old man.

    Then came the age of the monasteries. These went into cloisters and cells seeking both solitude and combats with devils and the old man. 

    We have been born into another age. What it will be called in future I do not know. Perhaps an age of apostasy, of neo-paganism, of neo-persecution.

    But what we know is that the Saints of our age will have in common with the Saints of all former ages: some kind of solitude, and some kind of combat.

    The monasteries and deserts are now emptied out; so many vocations to marriage and religious life have been lost; yet the Church is always grounded on the twin pillars of solitude and combat.

    We do not have Nero's and Domitian's to try our resolve. We do not have desert cells from which we go forth to meet the devil and the old man. We do not have monastic cells, within which we discipline the will and the flesh and fight with satan. 

    No, the Saints of today have jobs.  COMBAT

    They have Vatican II and broken families/communities.  SOLITARY CONFINEMENT

    If we understand how to look at our plight, we will see that we are the "new religious." The new monks and nuns and coenobites.

    It's a vocation.

    How do we know it's a vocation?

    It hurts; but because of the joy, we wouldn't change a thing!

    That's how we know:

    Hebrews 12:2-8: [Look upon Jesus], the Author and Finisher of faith, Who having joy set before Him, endured the cross, despising the shame, and now sitteth on the right hand of the throne of God. For think diligently upon Him that endured such opposition from sinners against Himself; that you be not wearied, fainting in your minds.  For you have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin: And you have forgotten the consolation, which speaketh to you, as unto children, saying: My son, neglect not the discipline of the Lord; neither be thou wearied whilst thou art rebuked by Him.

    For whom the Lord loveth, He chastiseth; and He scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with His sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct? But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.

    Another great post.  Based on your profile pic and your name I totally thought you were a dude lol.  Then I read about your dress and was like "wait...what?!" then saw the pink female icon below your name.

    You've nailed it and I feel and think the same way.  I have a lot of those same work difficulties but the guy version of them.  I get backbit a lot by people at work about not partying, fornicating, or I resist advances by adulterous or lustful women and they'll try to get me fired or start false rumors about me, call me gαy, a loser who'll never find anyone, etc. and other such things, they don't think I know about all their gossip and backbiting and scheming but I do.  They know I'm a devout Catholic and don't believe in abortion, birth control, or premarital sex and many of them hate me for it but have to be 2-faced so they don't cause a stir and some of them are scared of me.  Going through this each and every day and "feeling" their hatred behind their facade will make you feel battered and beaten.  I always try to be positive and upbeat but inside I sometimes feel I'm about to crumble into dust.  I know I just need to not care what they think and for the most part I don't but sometimes it gets to a person especially when the pangs of loneliness come on.  

    I know this is the way God tries some of us, and I'm glad a few of us have come out about this thanks to Bataar's OP.  The rest of your post was very edifying and it's nice to know there are others that "get it" about some of our struggles. 


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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #38 on: March 19, 2023, 11:54:58 PM »
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  • Loneliness just makes life so hard. I've been pretty much alone my whole life and it just gets harder to deal with. I'm not suicidal, but I can't wait for my life to end. Hoping to get to heaven is pretty much the last hope I have anymore. I don't hope for a good career/job (meaning one I like that seems meaningful), I don't hope to find a wife. It would be amazing if it happened, but I just gave up hoping for it. I don't hope to make good friends because that seems pointless too. Obviously God could grant all of that for me, but I just no longer believe He's going to. Without hope in this world, I pretty much don't have any passions, dreams, goals, etc for this life. Obviously, I do hope to get to Heaven. It's just hard to do anything when everything just seems/feels pointless.

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    « Reply #39 on: March 20, 2023, 12:06:21 AM »
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  • Another great post.  Based on your profile pic and your name I totally thought you were a dude lol.  Then I read about your dress and was like "wait...what?!" then saw the pink female icon below your name.

    You've nailed it and I feel and think the same way.  I have a lot of those same work difficulties but the guy version of them.  I get backbit a lot by people at work about not partying, fornicating, or I resist advances by adulterous or lustful women and they'll try to get me fired or start false rumors about me, call me gαy, a loser who'll never find anyone, etc. and other such things, they don't think I know about all their gossip and backbiting and scheming but I do.  They know I'm a devout Catholic and don't believe in abortion, birth control, or premarital sex and many of them hate me for it but have to be 2-faced so they don't cause a stir and some of them are scared of me.  Going through this each and every day and "feeling" their hatred behind their facade will make you feel battered and beaten.  I always try to be positive and upbeat but inside I sometimes feel I'm about to crumble into dust.  I know I just need to not care what they think and for the most part I don't but sometimes it gets to a person especially when the pangs of loneliness come on. 

    I know this is the way God tries some of us, and I'm glad a few of us have come out about this thanks to Bataar's OP.  The rest of your post was very edifying and it's nice to know there are others that "get it" about some of our struggles.
    O man, O man, O man, O man!!!!!!!

    THIS THREAD, and your posts in particular, are the gift of God to my soul right now!!!!!!

    You have no idea how intensely I relate to your description of your daily hell on the job. And by the way, the women are the worst persecutors. I never feel persecuted by men. They treat me with great warmth and respect. They almost never call me by my first name, but always add the title "Miss." Men, young and old, naturally act differently with women who do not swear or wear pants.

    'Tis the she-monsters who are the bitches - destructive, cruel, vengeful, jealous, interfering bitches.

    Unlike you, I'm old, female, and divorced. I was left high and dry over twenty years ago. I could have snuck into a novus ordo tribunal and walked out with a fake-nullment, easy as pie. But I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful one hundred percent. 

    I made my marriage vows to God, and they are to me prrrreeeeecious, dear, bought with a great price (wink).

    I am barren, celibate, alone; and people that I work with now, and in the past, think I'm a dyke or frustrated or something abnormal. 

    You could not possibly insult or humiliate me more, than to think that of me. And yet I know that this is exactly the reason people think this old, single, childless woman is old, single, and childless. Which one of these "dissipates" could wrap their diseased little mind around my true circuмstances and believe someone actually sacrificed themselves for God's law, right? They'd laugh in my face and think I was using that excuse as my "beard."

    Hence you know why I have so many suspicions about people. I suspect they think I'm queer, and it gives me such anxiety and shame, that I cannot relax and be myself, or give people the benefit of the doubt. In my own mind, I see myself through the world's eyes as a weirdo and a cast off. Damned nasty way to live. 

    But I'll tell you this. I owe my God a lot of reparation for a misspent youth, and for colossal sins of arrogance and pride. So I chalk it up to doing purgatory time now.

    And, on the bright side, He has filled my mind and heart with so much truth and beauty and joy and gratitude, that it's all worth it. I'd rather have Him and His Truth than any worldly pleasance. I suffer, but by His grace, my will is fixed on His law, and His holy will.  

    Blessed be God, from henceforth now and forever. Amen. 

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #40 on: March 20, 2023, 12:38:03 AM »
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  • Loneliness just makes life so hard. I've been pretty much alone my whole life and it just gets harder to deal with. I'm not suicidal, but I can't wait for my life to end. Hoping to get to heaven is pretty much the last hope I have anymore. I don't hope for a good career/job (meaning one I like that seems meaningful), I don't hope to find a wife. It would be amazing if it happened, but I just gave up hoping for it. I don't hope to make good friends because that seems pointless too. Obviously God could grant all of that for me, but I just no longer believe He's going to. Without hope in this world, I pretty much don't have any passions, dreams, goals, etc for this life. Obviously, I do hope to get to Heaven. It's just hard to do anything when everything just seems/feels pointless.


    Yes, the older you get, the harder it gets. Calvary is an ascent, an upward climb. Which is why Jesus said, "Without Me, you can do nothing." If you live a normal life expectancy, you've still got a long way to go. The things you say seem to plead that you are out of steam. I surmise that you've been putting the wrong fuel in your tank - that you are self-reliant, rather than God reliant. If you do not begin to live a life of ardent prayer, you won't make it.

    Let's just be honest for a minute. Not only does time make things get harder and harder, but the situation in the Church and world is an immense obstacle to achieving the most natural ends. Marriage, career, friendships. Seems like they shouldn't be that hard to engender. But they are now because the world is gone over to satan, entirely.

    It's not a good idea to hope for particular goods in a world that is not equipped to deliver them. What remains to us - as a means of happiness, peace, and salvation - is God's Holy Will. Period.

    If we cannot detach from failed hopes, failed dreams, unrealized goals - if we cannot accept the bitterest trials and disappointments, then we are not worthy of Christ.

    The servant is not greater than the Master. Look what they have done to Christ in a) the Church, b) the nations, c) the innocent, and d) families.

    Jesus Christ is murdered in each of these.

    Are we defrauded of the natural and even supernatural goods Catholics once took for granted?

    It is a sign of the times. It is the Cross of the times.

    There's something you haven't talked about. You haven't talked about the miracle of your Catholic faith. You, literally out of billions, believe the truth, and, hopefully, go to Mass and receive the Sacraments. Do you know how rare a gift and treasure and priceless possession that is right now in the world? 

    Would you trade that for friends, a career, and a wife? 

    God is testing every one of us now, to see if we are worthy of Him. You are being called to holiness, and you seem to be kicking against the goad. Read and reread EW's posts. God gave them to you. They are the answer He gives to you, who started this thread. God is telling you that He wants you to suffer, but differently than you are suffering now.

    I think you had better stop asking Him for temporal goods, and start asking Him to teach you Who He Is. Your petitions might very well be pointless, because they are outside His will for you. What do you prefer, His will or your petitions? Stop telling Him what you want. Start asking Him what He wants. And I'll give you a preview of His answer. He wants you to suffer, with great love. 



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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #41 on: March 20, 2023, 12:51:34 AM »
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  • Loneliness just makes life so hard. I've been pretty much alone my whole life and it just gets harder to deal with. I'm not suicidal, but I can't wait for my life to end. Hoping to get to heaven is pretty much the last hope I have anymore. I don't hope for a good career/job (meaning one I like that seems meaningful), I don't hope to find a wife. It would be amazing if it happened, but I just gave up hoping for it. I don't hope to make good friends because that seems pointless too. Obviously God could grant all of that for me, but I just no longer believe He's going to. Without hope in this world, I pretty much don't have any passions, dreams, goals, etc for this life. Obviously, I do hope to get to Heaven. It's just hard to do anything when everything just seems/feels pointless.
    My friend, this doubt and despair is a tool of the devil. You say that hoping to get to Heaven is your last goal as of now, do not diminish this goal! It is the most important goal that exists! It is our mission in life to follow God and through a life of faith, repentance, and perseverance to attain union with the beatific vision in Heaven. Do not despair and say or act like your life is devoid of meaning just because the only goal that remains for you is to go to heaven, do not care about the desires of the world today, HEAVEN IS ALWAYS #1. "For what shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his soul? " Mark 6: 36

    You mindset is very 
    worldly but I have some great and encouraging news for you brother: Your value is not based upon what you accomplish in the world, YOUR VALUE COMES FROM THE FACT THAT YOU WERE CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD! SHED YOURSELF FROM THE SHACKLES OF THE WORLD, AND BE FREE THROUGH CHRIST! You have health, you have a job, you have safety etc, THESE ARE BLESSINGS FROM GOD! 

    You say everything feels pointless... why? because you dont have a wife? because you dont have a fulfilling career? Can you bring your wife or career with you when you die?.... NO! You feel as if life is pointless because your mindset has been poisoned by the world to think that the meaning of life is wealth and such.... This is not the case!  A career and a wife are good things yes, but they are not the ULTIMATE GOOD. God is the ultimate good. I don't think you realize how great the gift of salvation is if you are saying you lack any motivation whatsoever and considering you downplay the hope of heaven. "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father from heaven give the good Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11. You cannot even comprehend the goodness of heaven, it is mans ultimate end and therefore not just a "noble" goal, but it is the ULTIMATE goal objectively. 

    You need to get over your pride and realize that the goods of this world are fleeting. More importantly you must recognize that just because you view your life bad, or just because you think you deserve XYZ does NOT mean that God is being "unjust" to you. CONFORM YOUR WILL TO GOD, DO NOT TRY AND COMMAND GOD TO YOU WILL! 


    "Obviously God could grant all of that for me, but I just no longer believe He's going to. Without hope in this world, I pretty much don't have any passions, dreams, goals, etc for this life. Obviously, I do hope to get to Heaven. It's just hard to do anything when everything just seems/feels pointless."

    1. Yes, God could grant you these but you are trying to frame it as "If I dont get XYZ its because God said no", that's not how life works. You are trying to say that something negative was actively willed by God, Not the case! 

    2. You say you have no passions or dreams... make some then! you must take action... Carry your cross every day. NEVER HAVE SELF PITY.


    All in all, God loves you and you must always remember that Heaven is the ultimate goal. Rid yourself of pride and self pity. Focus on God and SURRENDER YOURSELF TO HIS WILL. PRAY PRAY PRAY.

    Pope St. Pius X pray for us

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #42 on: March 20, 2023, 09:20:07 AM »
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  • Lot's of good advice given so far, especially spiritual.  God didn't create anyone to simply suffer through life, with no purpose.  And a man (especially men) needs purpose; without one, that's worse than loneliness and death put together.  And "getting to heaven" is a good purpose, but you also need a human, practical purpose/goals in your life.

    Put your mind to work.  Loneliness can be a temptation, a feeling, an emotional blackhole.  You gotta stay busy.

    With your free time, do 3 things - prayer, volunteer somewhere (charity or church), and get a fun/enjoyable hobby.  Life's too short to waste it on thinking about the future...you don't know what God has in store for you.  You don't know what will happen 5 min from now and neither does the devil.  So any "feeling" that you won't do this, or that, is pointless.  Only God knows.  And God answers ALL prayers.

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    Re: Suffering from loneliness
    « Reply #43 on: March 20, 2023, 02:05:50 PM »
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  • My friend, this doubt and despair is a tool of the devil. 

    Not just any tool, THE favorite tool to use against those who resist the other baser temptations. The long anecdote pasted below pops up regularly and is a good reminder for whenever the despair hits. 

    Pray that God may give you the graces to begin to understand how this loneliness fits into His plan for you. I dealt with envy and wounded pride for years till it finally welled up and nearly broke me. It has only been these past few months that have shown me that much of what I once wanted was empty and worldly, and had I attained it, it would have been an eternal undoing. It may take time but when clarity finally comes, in retrospect it will make sense. When that happens, it will bring gratitude too. 


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    Satan's Garage Sale

    Satan advertised that he was selling off many of his tools. Many eager and curious demons showed up to see what they could purchase to improve their shameful skills. Satan had carefully marked the price upon each tool:

    ANGER: $100                        RESENTMENT: $400                HATRED: $600, etc., etc.

    Anger was selling fairly low...so common, so plain, so effective. Greed brought a big price, and Pride drove bids to high levels. Multiple copies of the jealousy tool were hot items. Lust, as always, was at a bargain-basement price.

    There were tools that would make it easy to tear others down for use as steppingstones; some lenses for magnifying one’s own importance; and, if you looked through them the other way, they could be used to belittle others.

    An assortment of gardening implements to help one’s pride to grow by leaps and bounds: the rake of scorn; the shovel of jealousy along with the tools of gossip and back-biting, of selfishness and apathy. 

    One visitor noticed two well worn, non-descript tools on a table in one corner. He found it curious that those two tools had no price tags. When he asked why, Satan just laughed and said, “Well, that’s because I use them so much. If they weren’t so plain looking, people might see them for what they are.” The customer snatched up the tools and held them to his chest. With a glint in his eye, he asked the Devil, “How much for these?”
    I’m sorry, those tools aren’t for sale,” the Devil replied.

    Without hesitation, the man said, “I’ll pay you any amount!”

    The Devil narrowed his eyes and hissed, “I told you, those tools are not for sale, nor will I ever sell them. They are the most useful tools I own!  Without them I wouldn’t be half as effective in my work. With those tools alone, I can accomplish my every task. Now, good day, sir!”

    Disappointed, the man looked once more at the shiny tools, then slowly placed them back on the table in the corner. With almost a whisper, he said to the Devil, “If I can’t buy them, would you at least tell me their names?”

    A slow and wicked grin grew across the Devil’s face. Satan pointed to the two tools, and said, “You see, that one’s Doubt and that one’s Discouragement — and those will work when nothing else will.”

    The devil continued, “They are more useful to me than any of the others. When I can’t bring down my victims with the rest of my tools, I use doubt and discouragement. With those tools alone, I can accomplish my every task.
    Perplexed, the old man wondered out loud, “What’s so special about those tools?”

    “Nothing paralyzes a person, nothing stops someone in their tracks like discouragement and doubt, resulting in hopelessness. Discouragement and Doubt are no respecters of persons. They keep the unemployed, unemployed; the homeless, homeless; the sick, sick. 

    “They can even break the most pious. When overcome with discouragement and doubt that leads to hopelessness, persons cannot pray, they cannot worship, and they become a victim of their environment. Discouragement and doubt drain their victims of courage, vision, faith, expectation, and the will to make a difference in the kingdom of God. If I can get people discouraged and full of doubt, then I have successfully neutralized them. They are then left with only enough energy to feel hopeless and sorry for themselves.”

    - Anonymous

    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus

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  • INTRODUCTION TO A DEVOUT LIFE (cont)
     
    by St Francis de Sales, Doctor of the Church


    12. Of Sadness and Sorrow.

    S. Paul says that "godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of, but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (1) So we see that sorrow may be good or bad according to the several results it produces in us. And indeed there are more bad than good results arising from it, for the only good ones are mercy and repentance; whereas there are six evil results, namely, anguish, sloth, indignation, jealousy, envy and impatience. The Wise Man says that "sorrow hath killed many, and there is no profit therein," (2) and that because for the two good streams which flow from the spring of sadness, there are these six which are downright evil.

    The Enemy makes use of sadness to try good men with his temptations:--just as he tries to make bad men merry in their sin, so he seeks to make the good sorrowful amid their works of piety; and while making sin attractive so as to draw men to it, he strives to turn them from holiness by making it disagreeable. The Evil One delights in sadness and melancholy, because they are his own characteristics. He will be in sadness and sorrow through all Eternity, and he would fain have all others the same.

    The "sorrow of the world" disturbs the heart, plunges it into anxiety, stirs up unreasonable fears, disgusts it with prayer, overwhelms and stupefies the brain, deprives the soul of wisdom, judgment, resolution and courage, weakening all its powers; in a word, it is like a hard winter, blasting all the earth's beauty, and numbing all animal life; for it deprives the soul of sweetness and power in every faculty.

    Should you, my daughter, ever be attacked by this evil spirit of sadness, make use of the following remedies. "Is any among you afflicted?" says S. James, "let him pray." (3) Prayer is a sovereign remedy, it lifts the mind to God, Who is our only Joy and Consolation. But when you pray let your words and affections, whether interior or exterior, all tend to love and trust in God. "O God of Mercy, most Loving Lord, Sweet Saviour, Lord of my heart, my Joy, my Hope, my Beloved, my Bridegroom."

    Vigorously resist all tendencies to melancholy, and although all you do may seem to be done coldly, wearily and indifferently, do not give in. The Enemy strives to make us languid in doing good by depression, but when he sees that we do not cease our efforts to work, and that those efforts become all the more earnest by reason of their being made in resistance to him, he leaves off troubling us.

    Make use of hymns and spiritual songs; they have often frustrated the Evil One in his operations, as was the case when the evil spirit which possessed Saul was driven forth by music and psalmody. It is well also to occupy yourself in external works, and that with as much variety as may lead us to divert the mind from the subject which oppresses it, and to cheer and kindle it, for depression generally makes us dry and cold.

    Use external acts of fervour, even though they are tasteless at the time; embrace your crucifix, clasp it to your breast, kiss the Feet and Hands of your Dear Lord, raise hands and eyes to Heaven, and cry out to God in loving, trustful ejaculations: "My Beloved is mine, and I am His. (4) A bundle of myrrh is my Well-beloved, He shall lie within my breast. Mine eyes long sore for Thy Word, O when wilt Thou comfort me! (5) O Jesus, be Thou my Saviour, and my soul shall live. Who shall separate me from the Love of Christ?" (6) etc.

    Moderate bodily discipline is useful in resisting depression, because it rouses the mind from dwelling on itself; and frequent Communion is specially valuable; the Bread of Life strengthens the heart and gladdens the spirits.

    Lay bare all the feelings, thoughts and longings which are the result of your depression to your confessor or director, in all humility and faithfulness; seek the society of spiritually-minded people, and frequent such as far as possible while you are suffering. And, finally, resign yourself into God's Hands, endeavouring to bear this harassing depression patiently, as a just punishment for past idle mirth. Above all, never doubt but that, after He has tried you sufficiently, God will deliver you from the trial.